yeah, i can't see the conformation at all on tv.

Me either... especially when I don't have the video for it. I'd probably take a chance on a crooked horse for these prices.

I can't figure out where the pinhookers are. There are some very nice ones going for dirt cheap.
A 10K investment now could bring 100K at the Keeneland spring sale.
This is an incredible auction!
I wish I was there.
Hey Sumitas, don't know if you mentioned it...that Desert Warrior (477) went for only 4.7K. Breeders are really taking it on the chin today!

the place must have been infested with bottom fishers. there were very few serious bidders in attendance, judging by the very low overall bids. many horses went RNA, rightfully so, rather than give them to the piranhas there

.........HEAD...........................NOT
DATE SOLD AMOUNT AVERAGE SOLD MEDIAN

8/15/06 70 680,500 9,721 63 5,350

FT has a lot of work to do to attract serious buyers to the open sale.

One Desert Warrior was a $20k RNA, plus he had one sold for $40k in the preferred, so he's off to a decent start. today's crowd would be better off shopping at flea markets.

LEPRECHAUN RACING, AGENT won a number of halfway decent priced horses in the $20k range. other than that it was bargain basement shopping.

Just look at the numbers, you can see there is LOTS of room for improvement in this sale. Such as bringing the average up to $20k next year. A few more breeders might be able to stay in the market then.

There's plenty of room for improvement. As we've both seen, each sale varies. It's a "crap shoot".
After the last one, I expected a much stronger market.
Some very nice ones didn't get touched today.
A little difficult for me to figure, other than the "whim" of the market.
The pinhookers, if they had showed up, would have found some great values.

that's true DTS. there was a distinct absence of the right buyers today. for heaven's sake, almost 50% of some real nice horses, on paper anyway, went unsold. and i like that this was an open sale, in an effort to attract nice horses bred outside NYS. i like the concept but it got to be realized in the sales ring.

Sumitas,
Looks like Fasig-Tipton is putting a smiley face on it:
http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/tod...65780&subsec=4

:) good article. the sale should continue and FT makes a good point that not every mare needs to be bred. it seems that the demand did not meet supply in this sale and the message to some breeders is get out of the business because you will lose your shirt. next year should improve, seeing this was the first year of the open sale.

Wouldn't it be great if this actually forced breeders to actually race their horses instead of trying to breed for the market? I would love nothing more than to see that 1,000 dollar Aptitude filly earn more than that over-priced Green Monkey!!!!

I'm with you on that view Lahage.
Seems to me that there have been more than a few good runners that had very modest beginnings.
There is a huge difference between breeding to market and breeding to race. Huge.
I also agree that not all mares should be bred. Hot sires bring out the hopes in some breeders. When the market isn't there, their "gamble" is a "fold".

let's explore this a little more...here's hip 411 Say Florida Sandy/Buddy's Bird, sold for $6k http://www.saratogaglenfarm.com/sayfloridsandy.jpg

451 $9k RNA is a Desert Warrior/Gambling Thyme...the colt looks darn good to me http://www.saratogaglenfarm.com/gamblingthymecolt.jpg

536, Gold Token/Tell Capote filly sold for $17k, a real looker
http://www.saratogaglenfarm.com/goldtokenfilly.jpg

539, Wheelaway/Treasure flight filly sold for $2k http://www.saratogaglenfarm.com/wheelaway05.jpg

519, $9.5k RNA, Tomorrow's Cat/Silver Jam http://www.saratogaglenfarm.com/tomorrowscatfilly.jpg

524 is Castle Gandolfo/Solar Song colt http://www.saratogaglenfarm.com/castleganaflocolt2.jpg $1.3k for this handsome boy...pics courtesy of Saratoga Glen Farm where Captain Red stands http://www.saratogaglenfarm.com/

The Wheelaway filly is by far the best looking of that bunch.

now i'll put the hip with the catalogue page...
451 http://www.fasigtipton.com/catalogs/2006/0815/451.pdf
536 http://www.fasigtipton.com/catalogs/2006/0815/536.pdf
539 http://www.fasigtipton.com/catalogs/2006/0815/539.pdf
519 http://www.fasigtipton.com/catalogs/2006/0815/519.pdf
524 http://www.fasigtipton.com/catalogs/2006/0815/524.pdf

here are a few from the preferred session
hip 219 http://www.saratogaglenfarm.com/yonaguskacolt.jpg
http://www.fasigtipton.com/catalogs/2006/0812/219.pdf
$92k

hip 261 http://www.saratogaglenfarm.com/militaryfilly.jpg
http://www.fasigtipton.com/catalogs/2006/0812/261.pdf
$20k

hip 343 http://www.saratogaglenfarm.com/catienus05.jpg
http://www.fasigtipton.com/catalogs/2006/0812/343.pdf
$12k

hip 325 http://www.saratogaglenfarm.com/phonetrickfilly.jpg
http://www.fasigtipton.com/catalogs/2006/0812/325.pdf
$24k RNA

pics courtesy fo Saratoga Glen farm where Captain Red stands.

Two that jumped out at me were 524 and 539.
Both looked real good in their photos, both solid peds.
Those prices were "give a ways".
Sumitas, you know what Wheelaway's should go for.
Somebody found real bargains in this sale. Figure the investment times fifty in eight months in the spring sales, or private sales where they'll times the investment by thirty if they don't wait.

LOVE the Yonaguska colt. :cool:

Hip 325 isn't bad either... legs look a little fragile for my liking, but it's so tough to tell with yearlings.

they have something to build on. FT should be able to boost the demand for next year for this open session.

Sumitas,

What do you think of the ped on this filly?

She's a CANTER filly... they want $1,800 bucks for her. She's supposedly sound, but doesn't want to race.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/moon+landing2

imo, for breeding purposes, no. her bottom line is very weak in terms of production. there is very little black type. have fun with her if you decide to get her, but you'd get clobbererd at the auction should you breed her.