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GBBob 10-19-2009 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I dont think that Americans are nearly as hated worldwide as we are led to believe.

But my point was that you wrote the post using the viewpoint of a white American male. or at least what your version of what a white American male may think.

Hated is a strong word...laughed at is more appropriate

brianwspencer 10-19-2009 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
As a straight man with many straight male friends I dont know any that would go out of their way to discriminate against a gay male. And it isnt as though all my friends are completely ...uh..enlightened.

Well you've got good friends then.

You'd be surprised at how pervasive it is.

Cannon Shell 10-19-2009 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
Hated is a strong word...laughed at is more appropriate

I thought Obama had that all sorted out?

Antitrust32 10-20-2009 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I dont think that Americans are nearly as hated worldwide as we are led to believe.

But my point was that you wrote the post using the viewpoint of a white American male. or at least what your version of what a white American male may think.


i used my viewpoint

Cannon Shell 10-20-2009 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
i used my viewpoint

You personally have gays third?

Antitrust32 10-20-2009 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
You personally have gays third?


Am I supposed to have them first? Yes personally third.. this is just for America not the world. Since 9/11 Muslims have had it the worst here. Black women have it real bad for the most part. Gays are allowed to be bashed on tv, church and anywhere and its allowed to be supported.

Of course its just my opinion.

Cannon Shell 10-20-2009 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
Am I supposed to have them first? Yes personally third.. this is just for America not the world. Since 9/11 Muslims have had it the worst here. Black women have it real bad for the most part. Gays are allowed to be bashed on tv, church and anywhere and its allowed to be supported.

Of course its just my opinion.

http://news.aol.com/article/mob-hit-...s-court/724474

How bad can it be for gays? Even mob hitmen are coming out now.

Antitrust32 10-20-2009 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
http://news.aol.com/article/mob-hit-...s-court/724474

How bad can it be for gays? Even mob hitmen are coming out now.


Lets see, we are not equal citizens in the eyes of the law (cant get married in the vast majority of states let alone a civil union where you can at least get the benefits). The justice department is still allowed to come up with reports that we are equal to pedifiles and incest. Thats what bothers me even more than the marraige thing.. the majority of americans have no problem equating a man who loves another man to a man who will rape a young boy. Its seen as the same thing to a lot of people (including some of my family members). Its just so bogus and causes hate crimes to occur. Losers take pride in beating the crap out of a gay person cause their jeans are too tight. Its the same as a white guys beating up a black guy cause of skin color, or vise versa. Also lots of people dont think gays should have or be around children. They just passed a damn law in Arkansas saying gays cant adopt. So if you are gay and you want kids.. too bad! There are a lot of problems that straight people who dont know a lot about what goes on just shrug off as "no big deal:

Butch lesbians get a lot of hate directed at them also (a friend from college got a black eye and her shirt ripped just cause she walked by a frat house). Gay men have it the worst though. And of course, there are certain parts of the country that are worse about this type of discrimination, and certain parts that are more open minded and accepting.

Cannon Shell 10-20-2009 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
Lets see, we are not equal citizens in the eyes of the law (cant get married in the vast majority of states let alone a civil union where you can at least get the benefits). The justice department is still allowed to come up with reports that we are equal to pedifiles and incest. Thats what bothers me even more than the marraige thing.. the majority of americans have no problem equating a man who loves another man to a man who will rape a young boy. Its seen as the same thing to a lot of people (including some of my family members). Its just so bogus and causes hate crimes to occur. Losers take pride in beating the crap out of a gay person cause their jeans are too tight. Its the same as a white guys beating up a black guy cause of skin color, or vise versa. Also lots of people dont think gays should have or be around children. They just passed a damn law in Arkansas saying gays cant adopt. So if you are gay and you want kids.. too bad! There are a lot of problems that straight people who dont know a lot about what goes on just shrug off as "no big deal:

Butch lesbians get a lot of hate directed at them also (a friend from college got a black eye and her shirt ripped just cause she walked by a frat house). Gay men have it the worst though. And of course, there are certain parts of the country that are worse about this type of discrimination, and certain parts that are more open minded and accepting.

But you can be hitmen for the mob! Who wants kids when you can kill for a living!

dellinger63 10-20-2009 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
But you can be hitmen for the mob! Who wants kids when you can kill for a living!

New meaning to 'whistle blower'. :D

miraja2 10-20-2009 01:54 PM

I expect that Chuck is also the expert when it comes to what Peruvian lesbians think about Scandanvian vegetarians .

Cannon Shell 10-20-2009 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
I expect that Chuck is also the expert when it comes to what Peruvian lesbians think about Scandanvian vegetarians .

You dont have to be an expert to pass along basic general information. I did go out with a Peruvian chick for awhile but she wasn't a lesbian or vegetarian.

Not that there is anything wrong with it.....

Antitrust32 10-20-2009 02:10 PM

Vegetarians discriminate against plants.

alysheba4 10-20-2009 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I dont think that Americans are nearly as hated worldwide as we are led to believe.

But my point was that you wrote the post using the viewpoint of a white American male. or at least what your version of what a white American male may think.

.....true shell, in california, in my line of work ( aerospace ) the mexicans and guamalans truely hate ea. other.

GPK 10-20-2009 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
Vegetarians discriminate against plants.

Lesbians discriminate against men!!

Antitrust32 10-20-2009 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Lesbians discriminate against men!!


I still cuddled with you! :p

GPK 10-20-2009 03:25 PM

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I still cuddled with you! :p

Yes you did and I think I just got a chubby thinking about it :)

miraja2 10-21-2009 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
You dont have to be an expert to pass along basic general information.

Do the majority of people in Puerto Rico believe that people who live in Mexico shouldn't be allowed to marry other people who live in Mexico? I ask simply because we already know that the vast majority of heterosexual "white" male voters do not think that homosexual people should be allowed to marry other homosexual people.
There are diffrent types of hate.
For instance, I "hate" Tim Tebow, Barry Bonds, anybody who has ever played sports for KU, Brett Favre, Sarah Palin.....etc. But despite that "hatred," I still think those people deserve the same legal rights that I have. The majority of heterosexual people in this country, on the other hand, probably say that they don't "hate," homosexual people, and some may have homosexual friends, but they do want to prevent them from marrying a person of their choice. To me, that smacks of a very different kind of deep-seeded hate than what I feel for Tim Tebow.....and they are both different than the animosity between some people from Puerto Rico and some people from Mexico.
For me, the various forms of dislike/prejudice/hate make it ridiculous to say that group A hates group B "more" than group C hates group D.

Cannon Shell 10-21-2009 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Do the majority of people in Puerto Rico believe that people who live in Mexico shouldn't be allowed to marry other people who live in Mexico? I ask simply because we already know that the vast majority of heterosexual "white" male voters do not think that homosexual people should be allowed to marry other homosexual people.
There are diffrent types of hate.
For instance, I "hate" Tim Tebow, Barry Bonds, anybody who has ever played sports for KU, Brett Favre, Sarah Palin.....etc. But despite that "hatred," I still think those people deserve the same legal rights that I have. The majority of heterosexual people in this country, on the other hand, probably say that they don't "hate," homosexual people, and some may have homosexual friends, but they do want to prevent them from marrying a person of their choice. To me, that smacks of a very different kind of deep-seeded hate than what I feel for Tim Tebow.....and they are both different than the animosity between some people from Puerto Rico and some people from Mexico.
For me, the various forms of dislike/prejudice/hate make it ridiculous to say that group A hates group B "more" than group C hates group D.

Why does a straight heterosexual man have to "hate" homosexuals to be against gay marriage?

dellinger63 10-21-2009 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Why does a straight heterosexual man have to "hate" homosexuals to be against gay marriage?

Does a straight heterosexual man have to 'hate' women to be against marriage?


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