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JJP 09-11-2009 07:23 PM

This race and the Prioress should swap gradings.

jballscalls 09-12-2009 08:33 PM

why did they have so many scratches, chart said they only ended up with 7 runners?

NTamm1215 09-12-2009 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP
This race and the Prioress should swap gradings.

Does it matter that this race is for 3YO and Up and the Prioress is for 3YO?

NT

JJP 09-13-2009 08:22 AM

Should there be a second Grade 1 sprint for 3YO fillies. IMO, no. Most years the race hasn't had one entrant with a triple digit Beyer (yes I realize the 2008 winner has had many triple digit Beyers but she is the giant exception in this race).

I bet the Presque Isle race early hoping for a $6.80 or so payoff on Informed Decision. $3.80?? If I saw the odds I would never have bet her at that price. Would've expected Diamondrella and Game Face to take a little more money. Maybe the PID bettors are sharp.

The Indomitable DrugS 09-13-2009 09:49 AM

She was 4-for-4 with four triple digit Beyer wins on synthetic coming into the race ... and the other big names hadn't tried it yet.

A New York bred based out of Finger Lakes was 2nd. That horse had 3 sharp wins in a row over PID in her last 3 tries ... and couldn't outrun a goat on dirt. I think handicappers are just much more tuned in that proven form over the surface - or at least a similar surface - is very key.

CSC 09-14-2009 08:00 AM

Rose & Motion do the Positive ROI thing again.

Gander 09-14-2009 08:56 AM

This would have been a great race on real dirt, but once again poly junk ruins a great field of horses and turns it into a chalky result. Its going to really hit hard come 2 months, when we see a "what could have been" Breeders Cup on the junk. If this were at Belmont or Churchill, this year's BC would be one for the ages.

CSC 09-14-2009 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Gander
This would have been a great race on real dirt, but once again poly junk ruins a great field of horses and turns it into a chalky result. Its going to really hit hard come 2 months, when we see a "what could have been" Breeders Cup on the junk. If this were at Belmont or Churchill, this year's BC would be one for the ages.

I thought yesterday's result was somewhat of an overlay, I know he was 4/1 on the ML but he was the best horse on poly for my money. A $7.90 payout was a steal in my opinion.

Gander 09-14-2009 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC
I thought yesterday's result was somewhat of an overlay, I know he was 4/1 on the ML but he was the best horse on poly for my money. A $7.90 payout was a steal in my opinion.

I cant take any race (save for the BC races) on the poly seriously, but good call. I assume you mean Cherokee Focus? I watched the race but honestly have never heard of this horse.

CSC 09-14-2009 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Gander
I cant take any race (save for the BC races) on the poly seriously, but good call. I assume you mean Cherokee Focus? I watched the race but honestly have never heard of this horse.

We can get into a poly handicapping discussion sometime, I think if handicappers understand the surface they can be sucessful at making a few dollars. Basically the way I look at it nullifies the strength of dirt speed horses, an american strength and that is a good place to start when looking at these type of races.

richard 09-15-2009 01:01 PM

5 year old Sweet Lorena and her connections deserve plaudits for her achievements. 4 times stakes placed on dirt at Finger Lakes prior to this G3 second on tapeta. 24-12-7-3 $331,880 is quite a record . Here's a recap on http://nybreds.com/ .


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