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brianwspencer 06-08-2009 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
Most good horses (should) run in lesser prep races to get ready for the bigger races ahead. Like running in the San Felipe before you run in the Santa Anita Derby. Just because a couple of good horses use it for prepping in one particular year doesn't make the race a major event. Is it really on a par with the Beverley D. or the Diana?
Well, by that logic, aren't the horses in the Arkansas Derby just prepping for a bigger race as well? In that case, its Grade II billing is just where it should be. Is it really on par with the Kentucky Derby?

Linny 06-08-2009 03:02 PM
I have no issue with the Ark Derby beng a G2 if the Wood, Blue Grass and SA Derby are downgraded. Those 4 races are clearly on par with each other.

Linny 06-08-2009 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Go look through the fields for the Just a Game year in and year out and re-assess that statement. The Just a Game has been a very strong race for quite some time.

I can't believe with all of the ridiculous races on the west coast that are Grade Is that someone would even fathom targeting a race like the Just a Game as having an unnecessarily high grade.

NT
I daresay that Keeneland has some "over graded" races as well. I agree about the Just A Game. It's been a very strong race for years. In fact the race Ventura won at KEE was upgraded after her win in the BC. Ventura won the Just A Game last year.

King Glorious 06-08-2009 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
Most good horses (should) run in lesser prep races to get ready for the bigger races ahead. Like running in the San Felipe before you run in the Santa Anita Derby. Just because a couple of good horses use it for prepping in one particular year doesn't make the race a major event. Is it really on a par with the Beverley D. or the Diana?
If this is the way you feel, you really shouldn't be arguing for the Arkansas Derby to be grade one. It's a prep for a bigger one isn't it? Just as you run in the San Felipe before you run in the SA Derby, you run in the Arkansas Derby before you run in the Kentucky Derby. Is the Arkansas Derby really on a par with the Kentucky Derby or the Travers?

Sorry Brian. Soon as I entered this, I saw your post. Great minds.............

King Glorious 06-08-2009 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Cardus
My thought -- previously expressed here -- is that no three-year-old races prior to the Kentucky Derby (or Oaks, for that matter) should be Grade One.
That's my belief too.

DaTruth 06-08-2009 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Cardus
My thought -- previously expressed here -- is that no three-year-old races prior to the Kentucky Derby (or Oaks, for that matter) should be Grade One.
How about limiting Grade 1s to race of national and international significance. Along with the BC races, this list would include:

2yo-Champagne.
2yof-Frizette.
3yo-Triple Crown events, Haskell, Travers.
3yof-KY Oaks, Alabama, Queen Elizabeth II.
Older Dirt: Big Cap, Met Mile, Hollywood Gold Cup, Stephen Foster, Whitney, Woodward, Pacific Classic, JCGC, Cigar Mile.
Older F&M Dirt: Beldame, Spinster.
Older Turf: Arlington Million, Hirsch Classic.
Older F&M Turf: Beverly D, First Lady, Flower Bowl, Matriarch.

King Glorious 06-08-2009 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DaTruth
How about limiting Grade 1s to race of national and international significance. Along with the BC races, this list would include:

2yo-Champagne.
2yof-Frizette.
3yo-Triple Crown events, Haskell, Travers.
3yof-KY Oaks, Alabama, Queen Elizabeth II.
Older Dirt: Big Cap, Met Mile, Hollywood Gold Cup, Stephen Foster, Whitney, Woodward, Pacific Classic, JCGC, Cigar Mile.
Older F&M Dirt: Beldame, Spinster.
Older Turf: Arlington Million, Hirsch Classic.
Older F&M Turf: Beverly D, First Lady, Flower Bowl, Matriarch.
No Eastern bias with this list. None.

NTamm1215 06-08-2009 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
No Eastern bias with this list. None.
And unfortunately the best turf race for older males on the east coast was excluded from Grade I consideration on the list.

NT

SniperSB23 06-08-2009 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
And unfortunately the best turf race for older males on the east coast was excluded from Grade I consideration on the list.

NT
As well as for the females.

I'm all for reducing the number of G1s but that list is definitely way too small.

DaTruth 06-08-2009 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
No Eastern bias with this list. None.
I'm from Louisiana, so I don't have any dogs in this hunt.

DaTruth 06-08-2009 11:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NTamm1215
And unfortunately the best turf race for older males on the east coast was excluded from Grade I consideration on the list.

NT
Which one did I miss? Man O' War? Manhattan? United Nations? Sword Dancer?


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