I know who you meant, but saying that Big Brown didn't really show up until the Florida Derby isn't really accurate. He was definitely prominent on the Derby radar before then.

The off the turf allowance while impressive didn't really make everyone think Derby. He beat nothing and was still very much unproven.

Anyone with half a brain knows he was talking about Tomcito.

I thought that was exactly what made everyone start thinking Derby....it wasn't like they just tried the Florida Derby for fun. The off-the-turf race had potential Derby candidate written all over it, so they'd need earnings for it and he had one shot.

You aren't the only one thinking POTN is a turf horse, but so was Barbaro according to most. Not comparing the two, just making an observation about how they are perceived. When it comes down to it, I'd rather have Baffert pulling the strings going to the first Saturday of May than anyone.

I have a feeling that the GP 3 year old monsters are the product of lax drug testing and will flop once they state

On what basis? Sire Empire Maker, dirt horse. Half-brother to Forefathers, twice a dirt winner, 2nd Jerome H, 3rd Swale S. Dam Star of Goshen, won the La Troienne on Churchill dirt, half-sister to Powis Castle, winner of the Malibu S and Vernon O Underwood, on So Cal dirt, before the changeover. Damsire Lord at War won the Santa Anita H, etc. all on real dirt; damsire of Kentucky Derby winner War Emblem. Yes, some of the relatives have also run well on turf, but there is no reason to think a horse bred like this will be 'a turf horse.'

Based on things that have nothing to do with his pedigree.

NT

Since when is this 'the way dirt horses run?' Since dirt tracks were scraped to make faster times? Or are you saying that Buckpasser, Forego, Secretariat, Vigors, et. al. weren't 'dirt horses?'

I'm no expert, but I personally think the Pamplemousse has a really ugly, turfy stride. His legs are really high and flailing about. Doesn't seem conducive to the to a 20-horse field on hard dirt.

Good thing there's no HEADON replay (abbreviated that these tend to be at SA, thus we can't see what the horse is doing on the backstretch) so we can't really comment too much on his stride.

It's ****in' 2009, is it too much to ask (for the major tracks, at least) to catch up with technology?

Post #119.

Quite possibly the greatest post in the history of this board, as Hossy later suggests.

quite possibly the greatest thread in the history of this board... KYRIM threw in some great one's.

I miss kyrim I wonder how that equine "rainman" is doing? Hope the ole gal isn't too saddle sore

Greatest post in the greatest thread in the history of this board.

It's 2009 you have been bitchin about the technology since the year gimmel... Perhaps you dont get that nobody is listening and you need to elect to play the game with the pieces that are in place or take your ball and go play elsewhere.. To suggest to track managements that head on replays are going to increase handle is pretty outrageous..For such a bright guy you sure have a few issues..