Gamblers know who the cheaters are, and gamblers know the testing is an expensive waste of time that doesn't catch them.

Wow.

OMG Beth, this is wrong on so many levels.

Ya think? :rolleyes:

I like to see testing results to see who is cheating. Others don't need them.

He told me he didn't do it.

I have no doubt at all that's true :D

You may actually be part right

Your constantly referring to horseplayers as gamblers would be insulting if we didn't consider the source. I understand it somehow justifies your lack of involvement in this game to make that theoretically insulting reference, as somehow it places you above others, when in fact all it does is expose you as being petty.

However, having said that, you also demean yourself further by failing to recognize that a serious student of this game can identify when horses perform in extraordinary and, at least somewhat, inexplicable ways. Now, all of us also know that many things are possible, and hardly cry foul every time a horse runs out of its skin, however, when we see the same trainers ( and, no, I'm not naming names ) doing it repeatedly, with different horses, we see a pattern and are hardly jumping to any conclusions to be suspicious.

Believe it or not, many of us also benefit financially in these situations, however that doesn't stop us from also being suspicious. In fact, it are those very suspicions that lead us to these sometimes scores. Sorry to inform you, but it's not all sour grapes by losing horseplayers, but quite often cries for reform in an industry that we love, devote a great deal of our lives to, and support financially. I realize these are not concerns of yours, and that is fine, but do yourself a favor and stop lowering yourself to a level of insulting those of us that do.

What accusations?

Marty Wolfson sounds like a nice guy. I think it's very generous of him to invite Beyer to see "some of the treatments we give, legally, that can improve a horse."

My point was that Pletcher and Mott must obviously be unaware of these great treatments Marty is legally doing....as he has quite magically transformed horses from them - and other competent and respected trainers - into classy stake horses.

"There are some frauds so well conducted that it would be stupidity not to be deceived by them."
Charles Caleb Colton

Your ignorance is showing.

Here we go.

In the interest of full disclosure, I thought I would point out the second of your five posts on this board ( two of which are in off topic ).....I was particular excited to see it was in a " Happy Birthday " thread....one for Riot in case anyone is confused.

Um, Sir:

Did you ever see Miesques Approval in the paddock before the BC, Sunshine Millions, or one of the other stakes races he won? I mean see him up close? Put it this way, it reminded me of when Hulk Hogan played the character Thunderlips in Rocky III....took that robe off....you get the picture. Not to mention he was completely undone...I have never seen a horse act as insane as M.A.

Sorry to disappoint, Secret Agent guy, but that's not exactly a secret nor recent. Yes, when my friend Mike is at my house he will use my computer, and yes I make him use his own signon and not mine if he reads DT.

You might look at my posts from the past, where I've posted here when he was signed on, and my post showed up under his signon, and I've corrected it and posted it those were my words? (not Mike's)

And yeah, he's right to be pissed at your ignorant comments and too bad he didn't type what I heard him say out loud.

I've been a fan of this sport for a long, long time, and I certainly push enough money through the windows to have a very vested interest. I see the same situations everyone else does. That I dare to interpret them differently than you do, or even how many people here do - based upon my own knowledge, contacts and experience - well, get over it. You're free to keep commenting.

I don't get insulted to be called a gambler. You shouldn't be, either.

(checking three times to make sure I am signed on under my own account)

That would be wrong. The ruling was overturned on the trace levels of Class 4 medications isoxsuprine (blood flow promotion) and naproxen (equine aspirin) for which Can't Beat It tested. And additionally, Illinois changed their threshold rules to be in line with the rest of the country's racing jurisdictions.

someone once said that if you told them they were cheating - 60,000 people would line up to try and figure out with who.

Very true statement. Wolfson had a fit when this went down and 'vowed to never return to the State'. I think this year he ran a horse in a stakes at Arlington and their was an article about him returning.....