Yes.....The Visionairephone. It has 2 ring tones:

Loud voice going " Thats a horrible opinion" = BTW is talking bad about The Mighty Visionaire


A Liberace song playing= Dahoss talking smack about Visionaire.

What do you have for that all time classic..

"The economy is really good right now"

Thats the ring tone for the Moronphone.

Justindew has a monopoly on all the lines to that phone.




Funny how he disappeared since the stock market has gone to hell since his bold proclamation. Typical of a person of his beliefs. When wrong....run....and hide your head in the sand.

Not sure about what bike riding means. I thought everyone on here knew you are a huge Liberace fan ? If not....my bad.

Do you really want me to 'explain', or are you just trying to get a debate going? To not think that Court Vision got a dream setup is to completely ignore fractions.

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that was funny......a real f#cking stupid idea.....but funny.

Actually Dahoss...giving Morty my number would be harmless. He has been picking up a phone and talking into a dial tone for 20 yrs now. He believes that everyone can hear him when he picks up the receiver and talks.

Is this post a result of eating paint chips? :confused:

I realize that the idea behind numbers is that if your numbers say that a horse got a certain trip, then the horse must've gotten that trip. This is only the case if trips are determined SOLELY by the fractions (or final times). Believe it or not, there are some who don't believe in numbers and believe that the way a race shapes up, ultimately, is more representative. This assumes that there is very little that separates contenders. And, if this is the case, the set of races that are determined by numerical pace is a subset of some larger set.

This isn't quantum physics. The 'truth' isn't hidden from the thing itself. By looking at a race I should be able to tell who got the best and worst of it. And, in this particular case, CV, didn't get the best of it.

In a general sense I agree with you on the race dynamics concept and how, theoretically it should apply in this race, but considering Court Vision's overall pps it is fair to say he benefited from a good setup in the Wood.

I think the better argument is probably that the Wood was a lousy race and only War Pass ran a respectible race all things considered ( one being that 1 1/8 is too far for him....the other obviously being the rabbit ).

You certainly don't have to be a quantim physicist to realize that Court Vision couldn't even pass a horse who ran probably one of the fastest opening quarters in a two-turn AQU stake ever.

As a one-run deep closer (plodder), what setup would've been more beneficial to Court Vision?

This "horses who were A-B-C-D early ran Z-Y-X-W" analysis is useful, but only when used in conjuction with early and late fractions and with some idea of how good those A-B-C-D horses are.

Only very special horses run down front runners that have gotten away without getting some help from horse(s) ahead of them. Your mistake here, is that you assume, as is natural, that the only way a frontrunner has an advantage is by running slow fractions. In fact, running very fast, without being challenged at a key point in the race, and then basically crawling home, is equally, if not more effective. In this sense, then, MOVES/race dynamics are superordinate to pace. Think about it.

I agree with everything you're saying, and despite your assumption, I don't think that a frontrunner can only get a good trip by running slow fractions.

Your mistake here is forgetting what happened in the race. War Pass was pressed through absurdly fast fractions for four furlongs by Inner Light. Then came a fresh challenge from Tale of Ekati, moving early as usual. All the while Court Vision is slowly sucking up in behind the frontrunner.

Even if War Pass hadn't had Inner Light with him, after War Pass ran :22 (around a turn mind you) and :46 on that glib track, Court Vision had absolutely no excuse not to pass him, let alone Tale of Ekati, who had to run a sub-:23 second quarter.

Fractions aside, the rabbit was a factor until just before they hit the quarter mark. ToE's "challenge" happened in a 25.43 split. But it wasn't really a challenge and this is key to the race. If ToE is able to put pressure on WP in the turn, then CV wins the race. All ToE is able to do is stagger along (while shutting off the rail for Giant Moon) and luck out when WP collapses late. With ToE not providing the necessary pressure at the key point in the race, WP gets away, and CV does not get the setup you seem to think he did as WP was just too far ahead when he stopped.

Clearly, WP was best in the race. But I don't see how CV ran any worse than the others.

Compare these 2 charts to see the distinction I'm making.