I personally do not like Visionaire. Got a great setup in the Bishop. His high Beyer before that race was a pair of 98's and both came in the slop.
I drank the Big Brown Kool-Aid and was a believer, but I believe that part of his sucess is due to the Dutrow MAGIC. Was willing to give him a pass in the Belmont (due to the start/shoe, and all the other excuses). But to see him all out in the Haskell to beat a horse that ran 3rd in an opt claimer last out made me think about all the steroid talk. I thought he should have walked in that race. I think CJ is a nice horse but I have always thought of him as a POLYHORSE. I think this is the first time he cracked 100 Beyer mark. MIS could be one of these late developing 3-year olds that turn into a very good horse. He probably should have won the race, in his first time in graded company. But that brings us back to, who did he really run against?
For the record I personally like Macho Again. I thought he had a good chance in the Travers and CJ/Gomez took him right out of the race by slamming him going into the stretch.

As far as Casino Drive goes, I am not saying that he is the next coming, but I would think that you have to consider him as good as a contender/serious horse as any other 3 year old. Even if he has not beaten a G-I winner like Visionare, yet.

after reading the last 10 posts in this thread or so, all i can say is if i had had a gun on my desk, i'd be dead right now.

A Nazi deleted the best post in this thread. I hope they die of AIDS.

Go Between would mop the floor with the whole lot of these on the Santa Anita cusion, so might Well Armed for that matter.

what did you say?

santa anita cushion has gone extinct.

Or whatever it is they're using that isn't dirt out there these days.

Who is saying Ginger Punch could beat Col John? Thats nuts. She was all out to get by Lemonade Stand and really only won the race because of the bob.
Col John would easily beat her.

And Mint Lane, when given easy uncontested leads, is probably better than any 3 year old except for Big Brown.

I saw it Mugsy.

What about Big Brown....seems you left the best 3yr old off your list.

I am not sure what you are trying to say. If it is about beating Big Brown, I thought that I covered it in a earlier in the thread.

I have my doubts about Annihilate 'Em (1973).