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blackthroatedwind 07-03-2008 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
You need to watch it again. He definitely herds under lefty whip early stretch, then he doesn't keep a straight path from there on under righty whip. Given the photo beat, I'd say it was more than enough.


I watched it two or three times during the inquiry and once after the replay ( when they finally got around to showing the head on ). I don't agree. Doesn't make me right but quite frankly I think DQs are handed out around her more than a little frivolously. We should be very happy that the stewards aren't as trigger happy as some posters here.

SCUDSBROTHER 07-03-2008 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I watched it two or three times during the inquiry and once after the replay ( when they finally got around to showing the head on ). I don't agree. Doesn't make me right but quite frankly I think DQs are handed out around her more than a little frivolously. We should be very happy that the stewards aren't as trigger happy as some posters here.

That's not a factual reason for leaving her up. That's philosophical. WTF use is that s-h-i-t?

hockey2315 07-03-2008 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
3-3 now. Someone else needs to vote to break up this tie.

Andy's vote should count at least twice.

santana 07-03-2008 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
Andy's vote should count at least twice.

In most places. Andy gets 3 votes to every one.

Happy 4th of July !

3kings 07-03-2008 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by santana
In most places. Andy gets 3 votes to every one.

Happy 4th of July !

I didn't see it live but had taped the race. They are young 2 yr olds and more leeway has to be given. Good no call.

the_fat_man 07-03-2008 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I watched it two or three times during the inquiry and once after the replay ( when they finally got around to showing the head on ). I don't agree. Doesn't make me right but quite frankly I think DQs are handed out around her more than a little frivolously. We should be very happy that the stewards aren't as trigger happy as some posters here.

I don't have a problem with the latter, as long as there's consistency. And there really isn't.

I just don't understand why ONE horse should be given a preference over ANOTHER when it comes to having every opportunity to win a race. It's not about the severity of the move, in most cases, but rather whether the other horse had an EQUAL chance to run in the stretch. Why should the winner in this case be allowed to bear out under repeated whipping, how many times have we seen that from Garcia in the past?, and by doing so OBSTRUCT the path of the other horse. If you can't keep a straight run and by doing so obstruct the path of another horse, you need to come down. And the reason you need to come down is because there are jockeys making a good living doing just that: seemingly subtle ****, in the minds of the stewards, and others, evidently, that nonetheless compromises the chances of the other horse(s).

I'm in the minority when it comes to this but at least I'm on it. I've come to grips with the fact that this is just another way to lose, and then play off it.

GPK 07-03-2008 05:17 PM

Gomez seem to be doing a bit of acting and made it seem a bit worse than it actually was.

Looked like Miss Bodine ducked a 2 lanes coming out of the gate.

blackthroatedwind 07-03-2008 05:22 PM

Through all of this and nobody even mentions Iron Butterfly. What is the world coming to?

ArlJim78 07-03-2008 06:17 PM

no change in the order of finish was called for here, just like in the Mother Goose.

philcski 07-03-2008 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Through all of this and nobody even mentions Iron Butterfly. What is the world coming to?

You beat me to it, that's why!

ateamstupid 07-03-2008 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 3kings
I didn't see it live but had taped the race. They are young 2 yr olds and more leeway has to be given. Good no call.

I didn't see the race, so I obviously have no opinion either way in this case, but I don't agree with this line of thinking at all. Who cares what the condition of the race is? Interference is interference.

jcs11204 07-03-2008 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
There is absolutely no way they should have taken that horse down. He didn't herd the other horse and barely drifted.....plus he was a few paths clear of the second hanger when he started to drift.

That call was a complete no brainer.

your wrong, you are the man around here, for real no sarcasim and you know a lot more about the game then me , ALOT MORE, but your wrong on this one.

Bobby Fischer 07-03-2008 07:43 PM

you lugnutz
 
is a lug out into the path of a contending horse is grounds for a takedown?

I don't think we should claim to know "who would have won anyway" in a race that close

my opinion is that Mclaughlin's filly would have won, especially under a hard drive through the finish line - rather than Garcia focusing on what was gaining on him.

jcs11204 07-03-2008 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
is a lug out into the path of a contending horse is grounds for a takedown?

I don't think we should claim to know "who would have won anyway" in a race that close

my opinion is that Mclaughlin's filly would have won, especially under a hard drive through the finish line - rather than Garcia focusing on what was gaining on him.

yes it is grounds and bafferts horse was a winner if not for the other filly

parsixfarms 07-03-2008 07:50 PM

After all the discussion, I made a point to watch the race on the NYRA replay show tonight, and IMO, they made the right call. Granted, I did not see a head-on, but from the pan shot, just before McLaughlin's filly came out, it appeared that Baffert's filly also came in a little bit (just as the rider switched from left to right-handed urging) and she shied from the other horse - pretty understandable from a first-time starting 2YO filly.

pgardn 07-03-2008 08:01 PM

So maybe the Stewards, even thought they are
blind (I learned that here) have a difficult job sometimes.

They become especially bad if they make, or do not
make, a decision that costs one money.

Between battlin drugs, jockeys, stewards, and trainers
this game is difficult. Other than a few minor blips
its so peachy simple.

Sometimes you eat the bar, and sometimes,
well sometimes the bar eats you....
- forgot who said that.

jcs11204 07-03-2008 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
So maybe the Stewards, even thought they are
blind (I learned that here) have a difficult job sometimes.

They become especially bad if they make, or do not
make, a decision that costs one money.

Between battlin drugs, jockeys, stewards, and trainers
this game is difficult. Other than a few minor blips
its so peachy simple.

Sometimes you eat the bar, and sometimes,
well sometimes the bar eats you....
- forgot who said that.

this was easy... nothing difficult about this one.

pgardn 07-03-2008 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
this was easy... nothing difficult about this one.


Then I guess the Steward mystery is solved.
It is a tough job?

dalakhani 07-03-2008 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
After all the discussion, I made a point to watch the race on the NYRA replay show tonight, and IMO, they made the right call. Granted, I did not see a head-on, but from the pan shot, just before McLaughlin's filly came out, it appeared that Baffert's filly also came in a little bit (just as the rider switched from left to right-handed urging) and she shied from the other horse - pretty understandable from a first-time starting 2YO filly.

This is the way I saw it. Then again, if i had some change on the race, i might feel differently. I posted the link to the chart for the race. I dont think that no call was too tough to make. These were maidens.

http://equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/BEL070308USA2.pdf


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