I would like to see Colonel John take another crack at a dirt track. If it doesn't work out leave in Cali. Give him two shots at the BC on a track he likes, and pick up some nice purses along the way.

he will def. run on dirt this summer.

Really?

Colonel John will be a nonfactor in the Travers if he goes. . .

The stop has been applied

PM ME FOR some colonel john travers action :)

The horse didn't run disastrously at the Derby by any stretch; I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that Colonel John could run on dirt.

He is on easy leads because he runs 23 and 46 for a mile and an eighth on the stuff, thats part of it. The horse does not get out of the gate well but has phenomenal early speed. He has been challenged at pace on a grass turf sprint and came in 2nd. Fought very hard at the end.
The most suprising part for me is he has run hard fractions, had challengers come up to his rear and then he pulls away. The style is what interests me.

We will see. Looks like a tough animal. Will have to wait until he gets away from Cali tracks.

.. and on dirt and on turf (Da' Tara and Tizdejavu). Tiznow, a dirt horse with natural stamina, sires horses who run well on all surfaces. Polytrack, one among the many types of AW (all-weather) surfaces, generally demands more stamina and/or fitness than average, and the Tiznows have the stamina part.

Perhaps it's bold of me to challenge the opinion of someone who calls themself "Pedigree" Ann but Tizdejavu seems to be the exception to the rule when it comes to Tiznow's progeny trying the turf. He has had numerous stakes winners and stakes-placed runners, however, they were primarily on dirt/synthetics.

Tough Tiz's Sis, Bear Now, Well Armed, and Colonel John all come to mind as Tiznow's biggest names (in addition to Da'Tara) and they are all stakes winners- on synthetics.

NT

Folklore pops out. 2 year old champion filly. She ran on dirt and broke her knee as a 3 yr old forcing her retirement. No Tiznow turf runners come right to mind.

if you don't behave i'll start digging up denis of cork stories.

tiznow is a all around great sire... i dont see why it matters, he can produce on any surface.

It's arbitrary, baseless remarks like this that earn you a great deal of flak on this site...take it from someone who has not chastised you at all.

NT

This horse ran VERY WELL in the Derby given the setup. What are people looking at?

its not baseless he is a young sire, and has accomplished a lot already, champion, major 3 yr old stakes winners, 2 yr old stakes winners...

Right but the original issue was not whether Tiznow is a good sire, that was never denied. The issue was that someone came on here and used one horse as an example as far as how Tiznow is a good turf sire. One horse does not a sire make.

NT

why does he need a good turf horse to be a great sire, maybe i dont get it...
same with giants causeway and dirt, he produces on synthetics and turf, and has had decent dirt runners, so what is he ?

i did start this thread, only because i read that colonel john was coming to saratoga soon.... i think he can be a major player in the division and even in the classic because of the surface its being run on, COLONEL JOHN has raced very well over 3 different types of synthetics. a near miss in his first career start, cruise control twice at hollywood, santa anita derby... he has like all synthetics... so when you think breeders cup, i know i have to give him a shot

Hmmmmmmmmmm......Let's see.