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What if a puppy wanted to throw himself off of Cliff's bridge.....what would you do?
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I'm neither a republican or a Christian...reducing an argument to it's simplist terms is often beneficial in science...seldom in life. Your attitude that opposition to euthanasia = heartlessness and a desire to see folks suffer is repulsive! |
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I think I was pretty specific about when I thought euthanasia is a black and white situation. You seemed to take it down the slippery slope to areas where I think it isn't so black and white. But, and I'm not lumping you into this catgory, many like you do that with issues. The NRA comes to mind right away. But you did it this time with your examples of a kid breaking up, schitzo, etc. That wasn't even part of the conversation or was ever remotely considered or proposed that I have ever heard of I guess I was confused because you started out, I think, saying you oppose what Kivorkian did, but then say that the end "I'm damn well opposed to others making that decision for me"? |
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And my "low blow" was a riff on the theme of "we are here to bring you peace *drops bombs every****ingwhere*" Regardless of the word "force," the point is that in a physician-assisted suicide, folks can have some sense of closure for their families as well, in a controlled environment. Read up on the Death with Dignity work they do in Oregon, it's brilliant. These people are able to bring their families into the process, families who are watching them suffer terribly. They are able to have an appropriate goodbye, and often these families are able to spend the last moments of life with their ailing family members. There is a stark difference between that, and sending someone an email that says "can you come wipe my brain off the wall sometime after 2pm today?" To me, there is an incredibly important distinction of 'dignity' in the way someone kills themself. If you don't allow someone to have a professional assist them in a painless, clean way, then you are yes, forcing them to do something potentially more harmful and more painful and less peaceful. While I'm getting riled up about it, Bob is absolutely right on what the bread and butter of this issue is -- and I've gone somewhat off-topic. If I am dying, who gets to tell me what to do with my body? You? Or me? That's the worldview difference here. I think I get to choose what to do with myself. You think you do. |
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I don't understand??? His entire "platform" is the legalization of euthanasia...I think I was pretty clear on why I oppose same??? Again, accusing me of this or that does little to address the argument imo. |
Do you all see why I hate people now?
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We'll have to call it a draw. |
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Speaking of ALS... http://web.alsa.org/goto/cajungator26 A good friend of mine at work is dying and we're walking on April 19th... :( |
This place is mekin' me sick!
You all have to bring in real life here....I hate it. I will not join in on bashing and smashing over something like this...life's unfair----boy do we all know that. Whatever it says....I'm also sick of donations! Everybody wants donations.....Jesus! Give here...give there....make another bourgois swine rich over a poor soul. I think you're all crazy and I'm leaving.........no eyerollers,please. Too much seriousness here. |
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but it still doesn't add up, if a dog could talk you'd honor the request....but if a person asks you wouldn't.... consequences, huh? like that bootleg move of picking up Willie Parker and stooping to the level of the idiots in the fantasy league when you were up against someone that was playing by the rules..... |
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Do you agree with the above? Or not...I really am not sure |
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People need to be told what to do, but dogs could make up their own minds. Or maybe it's just on a case-by-case basis, and Somer inadvertantly forget to tell us that the dog he was specifically talking about was this one, and would therefore have been qualified to make decisions for himself. |
I'm with B.W.S. on this. If they could do it themselves, they would.
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Q: How does a patient get a prescription from a participating physician? A: The patient must meet certain criteria to be able to request to participate in the Act. Then, the following steps must be fulfilled: 1) the patient must make two oral requests to the attending physician, separated by at least 15 days; 2) the patient must provide a written request to the attending physician, signed in the presence of two witnesses, at least one of whom is not related to the patient; 3) the attending physician and a consulting physician must confirm the patient's diagnosis and prognosis; 4) the attending physician and a consulting physician must determine whether the patient is capable of making and communicating health care decisions for him/herself; 5) if either physician believes the patient's judgment is impaired by a psychiatric or psychological disorder (such as depression), the patient must be referred for a psychological examination; 6) the attending physician must inform the patient of feasible alternatives to the Act including comfort care, hospice care, and pain control; 7) the attending physician must request, but may not require, the patient to notify their next-of-kin of the prescription request. A patient can rescind a request at any time and in any manner. The attending physician will also offer the patient an opportunity to rescind his/her request at the end of the 15-day waiting period following the initial request to participate. Q: Does the Act allow euthanasia? A: No. Euthanasia is a different procedure for hastening death. In euthanasia, a doctor injects a patient with a lethal dosage of medication. In the Act, a physician prescribes a lethal dose of medication to a patient, but the patient - not the doctor - administers the medication. Euthanasia is illegal in every state in the US, including Oregon. The Act has been legal in Oregon since November 1997. The latter question addresses why Kevorkian crossed the line with Youk, and got in trouble for it, as I would be willing to say, he should have. |
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I dont think you understand what assisted suicide is. People who are in too much pain or do not have the functions to commit it, but want to end their pain, have someone like Dr. K assist them. You saying "if someone else dicides to end it for them" is completely off base because the assistant is NOT deciding this, they are just helping with someones wishes. I really have no idea how you and Cajun dont get this. |
Didn't "UNCLE BILL" shoot himself? You people saying that's cool,but if you're in a hospital ya gotta suffer until you hallucinate etc.?
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