i doubt golfers are using things like this to get bigger, but to quicken healing from injury. tiger had that bum knee, use of PED's would help him get back to work more quickly.

It is possible to bulk up that much, but you also have to have great genes to begin with and be VERY strict with how often you eat and the amount of protein you are getting.

:rolleyes: He's 33 now... 20-25 pounds in 13 years, I bet 90% of the posters on this thread gained 20 pounds in that amount of time.

He gained a lot more than 25 pounds in the last 13 years.

Define a lot ? He is 6'1" 185 lbs now. Not a lot of wiggle room if you subtract 25 lbs. His stock has plummeted in my mind and I'm not sure how I will feel when he comes back (fan or looking for him to flop) but this steriod thing is simply piling on. You do this for 15 years and see where it will get you

http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=2921413

I would put him above 215 looking at him.

exactly, he was still a kid when he turned pro.

Now he's a man of course he's going to put on muscle weight after 10+ years of working out and drinking nightly and screwing whores. I thought steriods made you not want to fucl<?

I seriously doubt hes used PED's, but Randall had a good point that you cant put it past him thats for sure. And it wouldnt surprise me if he used something to help his knee heal.

If they find he used the Blood Spinning to help his knee heal I don't see this as performance enhancing.. I view this as therapy.

Well with all the extra-curricular activities he was involved in there is a good possibility that he had a protein deficit.

I agree about the Blood Spinning.. but he could have used other stuff like the "cream" to help heal.

Tiger doesnt weigh 215. I wouldnt put anything past this weirdo, but not everybody who has substantial positive gains in their physique are using supplements. A lot get it through hard work and the proper direction. Any personal trainer who tells you that you can only expect to gain 3-4 pounds doesnt know what he/she is talking about.

Exactly.

I think there is miscommunication from the trainer. 3-4 pounds a YEAR is reasonable without "supplementing"

Wife is divorcing him according to People magazine. Bout time.

Yea Elin!

I don't think he was on the juice. Would I be suprised if it came out that he was, after this last month absolutely not. But he already could hit the ball a mile. I would think that taking juice to bulk up would do nothing but screw up with his mechanics and affect his swing. There was nothing wrong with his driving (on the golf course :D ) , so why would he try to fix it?

I'm sure there are tons of people that gain 20-25 pounds during that period from eating too much. Plenty of people gain 25 pounds of fat. Tiger is all muscle. He's gained 25 pounds of muscle. I don't think there is any poster on this board that gained 25 pounds of muscle during that period.

If you can only gain 3-4 pounds of muscle in one year without supplements, you're not doing the right exercises and definetely not eating right. I dont know of any valid personal trainer who would make such a statement, much less one that supposedly works with athletes.

I know several people who have been able to do this.

good for her. too bad he brought two little ones into the world only to do this to them.

and tiger voted athlete of the decade, just saw that this morning.

well, from what we've been reading, he does plenty of working out. no telling how many push ups a day. :D

I dont think any poster has the lifestyle or work hours that Tiger has. His work affords him the time to workout/practice everyday if he wanted.
(not to mention he has to stay in peak shape to bang all these broads that he is nailing.)

sounds like he doesn't work enough hours. but then, i wouldn't consider walking and hitting a ball to be work anyway.

He should get into Poker or betting on Horse racing. That'll take enough of his time.

He might not be able to afford it, between paying of the whores and his soon to be ex wife.

This trainer definitely knew what he was talking about. He trained professional athletes.

I guess when it comes to how much weight you can gain from lifting weights, it probably depends on alot of factors including your body type and whether you have worked out before. If you have a really skinny guy with zero muscle, he could probably gain more weight than a lean guy with muscle that has already been working out for years.

When I went to this trainer, I had already been working out a couple times a week for 15 years or so. I'm not a big guy. My weight doesn't fluctuate much. For as long as I can remember, I've been 5'9, 135 pounds. Anyway, I asked the trainer how much weight I would put on if I started working out really hard 4-5 days a week instead of twice a week. He told me that he would not expect me to gain more than 3 pounds or so. He was probably basing that on a number of factors including my body type. I don't have a big frame. A guy with a bigger frame could probably gain alot more than 3 pounds.

Tiger was pretty skinny when he was 20 years old. I don't know if he was working out with weights at that time. If he had never worked out with weights before, I think he could have gained much more than 3 pounds. He could have probably gained a good 10 pounds of muscle or so. But I don't know if he could have gained 25 pounds of muscle. That seems like alot to me.

Do you guys really think that if you started going to the gym every day and working out with weights that you would gain 25 pounds? There is no way.

Walking 18 holes is actually a 5 mile walk. If you walk 5 miles, I bet you would be pretty tired afterwards.

But for professional golfers, that 5 mile walk is only a small part of their activity. Guys like Tiger often spend 2-3 hours on the range hitting balls. Then he may spend another hour practicing his putting. And then he spends another 1 1/2 hours working out. When you combine all those things, you're talking about very hard work that is physically demanding.

I'm a woman and have gained probably 10 lbs or more of muscle in the past 10 years since I've began working out (I'm now 31, began when I was 21). My exboyfriend has gained 30 lbs of muscle since graduating high school - he is 27 now. My friend's boyfriend plays college football and gains 10 lbs of muscle between seasons. It can be done. It's hard work, but it can be done.

If a guy like Tiger started lifting heavy weights and changed his diet and consumed lots of protein and protein shakes yes for sure.

The diet has everything to do with what you will gain when lifting and the type of lifting. High school football players / college can put on the 25 lbs of muscle in one year even minus steriods.

Good. Maybe we'll see him back sooner now.

Theres a lot of factors that come into play, but to answer your question, yes I could gain 25 pounds if I started focusing solely on lifting weights, taking in a lot of the "good calories", and pretty much dropping my cardio routine. I would never undertake such a ridiculous thing, but if my sole purpose was to bulk up 25 pounds of muscle in that time frame (10 years), I could easily do that.

Golf is not a physically demanding sport and a guy like Tiger can probably get away with doing very little to no cardio, which is very important if the end goal is muscle mass. A guy liek Roger Federer in tennis probably doesnt run 6 miles a day, but he could never not do cardio and just focus on weights (like Tiger). My guess is Tiger concentrates solely on weights and stretching and its very conceivable for a guy with his frame and athletic prowess, to put on 25 pounds of muscle. I read he did a lot of weightlifting while at Stanford (towards the end of his years there) and he had back then very uncanny strength for a scrawny golfer.

My advice to you is not to hire this trainer who says the best he can do with you is 3-4 pounds. I'd be happy to refer you to someone who knows what they are talking about if you are interested.

Wow, that is surprising to me. I don't know why that personal trainer didn't think I could gain more than 3 pounds (although it turned out he was right).

I was working out with relatively heavy weights for my size. As I said, I'm 5'9, 135 pounds. When I would bench-press, I'd do sets of 125, 135, 145 pounds. At the time, I could max 185 pounds. But even working out really hard for over 1 1/2 hours, I still didn't gain more than a couple of pounds.

No doubt. Just look at pretty much all the younger NBA players and there "physical morph" from college ball. 3-4 years into the league and they all look like chiseled bodybuilders. Given how strict the NBA is with their drug poilicies, I'd find it hard to believe that even a small fraction of these guys are doing steroids.

If you do this for a living and you work hard and follow the advice of smart people and eat right, you grow the right way...without cheating.

Like everyone posted above, what you eat plays an enormous part of it.

Good points Gander regarding the cardio aspect of things.

25 pounds of muscle is impossible to gain in one year unless you're going through puberty/a big time growth spurt, juicing, or you're a mesomorph (in which case you'd probably have problems with your body fat levels and would have to go through a big time cut cycle post-bulk).

It's definitely possible that Tiger's body changes are the result of hard work and maturity - he's not really THAT big. He's physically gifted and is probably at the limits of what his body can achieve naturally, but I wouldn't put the use of HGH or other supplements past him considering his competitive nature and the knowledge we have about so many other top athletes.

At this point, I'm not interested in gaining weight any more. I'm not as young as I used to be. I'm 44 years old now. Right now I'm happy if I can get to the gym once or twice a week and just maintain my weight. I'm at 140 pounds right now and that's a pretty good weight for me.

Exactly. Why would you want to unless you need your body for your occupation or you were in college and wanted the chicks to dig you.
At our ages, isnt it more important just to feel good and not be overweight?

When I was in my mid 20's I never ran or did any cardio. I just lifted weights and ate a ton. I got very strong and weighed as much as 185. I have always been right around 5-10. In the last 8-10 years I started running a lot and while I still lift weights, you would never know it because of what running does to your metabolism. When I am training for a race I usually run 35 to 40 miles a week, otherwise 25-30. I have consistently gone to the gym to weights, pull ups, push ups, etc. I lost so much strength since I started running, not to mention weight. I have been down to about 160 for the last 5 or so years and I eat like a horse. Probably more than I did when I was only a weightlifter. But when you run quality miles at a decent pace, your body becomes a furnace and the food that you put in your body easily gets burned. I eat a lot of bad foods too, my rule is pretty much whatever I like and crave at the time which is usually chikcen, pizza, pasta,hamburgers, cereal, and english muffins.

I'd love to be able to get stronger again, but I would have to give up a lot of my cardio and you cant replace how that makes you feel, which at my age is the most important thing.

I don't think he gained all that weight in one year. I think it was over the course of about 5-10 years.

As you said, knowing the competitive nature of these top athletes, and knowing how many of them have used performance-enhancing drugs, I really don't think it is far-fetched to suspect that Tiger used HGH or something of that nature, especially now that we know he is linked to that doctor from Canada.

It's kind of unfortunate that there is so much cheating in this day and age that we suspect alot of people that may in fact be innocent. I obviously have no idea whether Tiger has used HGH or anything like that. But when you consider his weight gain and you consider that he was using that Canadian doctor, it is hard not to be somewhat suspicious.

tiger hit the ball further when he weighed less yrs ago