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King Glorious 05-22-2009 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Phil does not have a consistent performer at guard besides
Kobe. And he has no point. Kobe is playing 1,2, and 3. And getting
beat up by Mellow. The Lakers would not have a chance
in this series without Kobe and Gasol. These are the only consistent
performers they have. Bynum is cannot stay with this up tempo game
the Lakers are playing. Ariza is playing fairly well, but he is playing
more at Kobe's position.


Lucky for the Lakers the Nuggets still have the flat headed
Nene and Martin.

That's been Mariano's problem though. I remember a couple of years ago in the playoffs against Phoenix and everyone could see the Lakers held a huge size advantage but instead of playing big and making the Suns adjust to them, Mariano keeps trying to match up with other teams. The Nuggets don't have the size to match up with Bynum, Gasol, and Odom all in there. The Lakers need to take advantage of them and make the Nuggets pay instead of making it easy for them by going small and easier for the Nuggets to defend them. And part of what I'm saying is that they don't have any consistency from the other guards because nobody knows what the hell their role is. It's natural that when one of them is in there, they are trying to play a little bit selfishly and produce because they want to play the next game. It's hard to play when you are constantly worried about making a mistake because you know that mistake could mean you go from 20 minutes to three in the next or in Farmar's case, to a DNP-CD. I also didn't understand why, if you are going to go small and play Gasol at the center and Odom at the power forward, why was Walton ever in there for Ariza? Ariza had it going and there was no reason Walton should have ever checked in for him. Same as when Farmar had it going. Mariano pulled him too.

Cannon Shell 05-22-2009 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
I did some research. To borrow your line "do you actually watch the games" Lets check out Carmello's career playoffs stats

Yr Team G GS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF REB AST STL BLK TO PF pts

Career -- 34 34 38.0 0.427 0.400 0.803 2.6 4.6 7.2 2.8 1.1 0.3 2.91 3.60 23.4
This YR 11 11 38.2 0.500 0.488 0.831 1.7 4.6 6.4 4.3 1.8 0.8 2.09 3.80 28.1

08-09 66 66 34.5 0.443 0.371 0.793 1.6 5.2 6.8 3.4 1.1 0.4 3.02 3.00 22.8


How about against LA lakers?
G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF REB APG SPG BPG PPG
08-09 4 4 35.3 .328 .200 .733 1.8 6.0 7.8 4.0 1.2 0.5 14.5

Playoffs 2 2 41 .734 .363 .772 3.5 4.0 7.5 4.0 0.5 1.0 36.5

LA owned him this year during the season. Things are different in the playoffs.






What do you think Chuck? Still just defense?:) What do you say my man?

perhaps the supporting cast and having a true playmaker to play with has something to do with his numbers improving? Perhaps since he is playing meaningful games instead of garbage time games his game is more effective? His game is the same. Ask Peegarden who told him he was wrong about Anthony? Before the season. Without Doug Collins help. By the way he was 12 for 29 last night. he shot worse but they won. Maybe that is the answer?

Cannon Shell 05-22-2009 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
In a desperate situation with no one else available in a one sided series, they may have tried it. Hell, they were getting killed so i would have tried to. That was not the case the other night and i hope they do the same thing tonight. I invite you to watch the tape from game 1 and give honest feedback as to whether or not anyone was being "guarded".

The original contention was that "lebron can cover 5 positions" which is simply not true as no one was being "guarded" the other night. Barkley and Collins agree with me but chuck knows more than them about basketball because they are only entertainers and not basketball people.:)

Please stop trying to explain away your being wrong. So another poster brings up another time LeBron guarded a point but that doesnt count because they were desperate? He guards the PG. Get over it.

Cannon Shell 05-22-2009 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
What did Trevor Ariza do last night anyway?

Hit a few open jumpers and blew the game by dropping the ball after the jump ball....

Cannon Shell 05-22-2009 06:25 PM

Only about an hour away from Lebron guarding a point guard...

dalakhani 05-22-2009 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
perhaps the supporting cast and having a true playmaker to play with has something to do with his numbers improving? Perhaps since he is playing meaningful games instead of garbage time games his game is more effective? His game is the same. Ask Peegarden who told him he was wrong about Anthony? Before the season. Without Doug Collins help. By the way he was 12 for 29 last night. he shot worse but they won. Maybe that is the answer?

:rolleyes:


Cant you ever be big enough to admit that you are wrong about ANYTHING?

You said the only thing that changed was defense. I disagreed and used facts and stats to back up my point.

Regardless of reason, he has stepped his game up this playoffs and especially this series.

dalakhani 05-22-2009 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Hit a few open jumpers and blew the game by dropping the ball after the jump ball....

made four steals and scored 21 points. Not as good as bricking the game winning shot like the great delonte west, but certainly in the same realm which is all I said before the series started.

dalakhani 05-22-2009 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Only about an hour away from Lebron guarding a point guard...

You mean playing a one man zone? cant wait. I love watching lebron!

Cannon Shell 05-22-2009 06:37 PM

From John Hollander piece on ESPN

Apparently, Cavs coach Mike Brown knew this, because Wednesday night he tried changing the matchups to produce a new result. It worked for a half. He put LeBron on Rafer Alston, stuck Delonte West on Hedo Turkoglu and had Mo Williams check Courtney Lee.

Cannon Shell 05-22-2009 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
:rolleyes:


Cant you ever be big enough to admit that you are wrong about ANYTHING?

You said the only thing that changed was defense. I disagreed and used facts and stats to back up my point.

Regardless of reason, he has stepped his game up this playoffs and especially this series.

Pot meet kettle. Stop trying to say that Lebron doesnt match up against PG's. I am not wrong. He does. Why wont you admit it? It makes you look a little silly trying to reason away the fact is that he does. He may even guard Howard tonight. Would that be ironic? Prove my point in two games?

dalakhani 05-22-2009 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
From John Hollander piece on ESPN

Apparently, Cavs coach Mike Brown knew this, because Wednesday night he tried changing the matchups to produce a new result. It worked for a half. He put LeBron on Rafer Alston, stuck Delonte West on Hedo Turkoglu and had Mo Williams check Courtney Lee.

Who the hell is john hollander and how does he have more credibility than barkley or doug collins?

More importantly...who the hell is john hollander?

dalakhani 05-22-2009 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Pot meet kettle. Stop trying to say that Lebron doesnt match up against PG's. I am not wrong. He does. Why wont you admit it? It makes you look a little silly trying to reason away the fact is that he does. He may even guard Howard tonight. Would that be ironic? Prove my point in two games?

Do you want me to pull out the original quotes chuck?

And you still havent refuted the anthony stats. You said he hasnt stepped up but the stats say he has.

What gives? Do you deny the stats mr kettle?

Cannon Shell 05-22-2009 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Do you want me to pull out the original quotes chuck?

And you still havent refuted the anthony stats. You said he hasnt stepped up but the stats say he has.

What gives? Do you deny the stats mr kettle?

His stats in the playoffs are almost identical to what he did during the 06/07 season. Maybe the fact that the games are being played in the 100's or he is covered by your wiz kid can explain the stats. I hardly think that 2 games against the lakers versus 4 in the reg season is a valid statistical comparison.

Cannon Shell 05-22-2009 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Who the hell is john hollander and how does he have more credibility than barkley or doug collins?

More importantly...who the hell is john hollander?

He is a basketball writer for ESPN who saw what everyone else did. LeBron checking the PG.

dalakhani 05-22-2009 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
He is a basketball writer for ESPN who saw what everyone else did. LeBron checking the PG.

Interesting. charles barkley and doug collins are a little bit more valid. I mean...at least we have heard of them.

That writer isnt even American.

dalakhani 05-22-2009 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
His stats in the playoffs are almost identical to what he did during the 06/07 season. Maybe the fact that the games are being played in the 100's or he is covered by your wiz kid can explain the stats. I hardly think that 2 games against the lakers versus 4 in the reg season is a valid statistical comparison.

Look at the whole playoffs. He has upped every statistical category from his regular season average to his career average to his career playoff average.

Is that not enough of a statistical comparison?????????????????

Cannon Shell 05-22-2009 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
Interesting. charles barkley and doug collins are a little bit more valid. I mean...at least we have heard of them.

That writer isnt even American.

There have been tons of stuff written about the 1st game and how effective the Cavs defense with the unusual matchups one of which was LeBron James guarding the point guard was in the first half. Your point is almost indefensible. I'm sure there is video available of the first half of the game. When Alston and Johnson are bringing the ball up the court and they are being guarded by LeBron james, how doesnt this not count?

dalakhani 05-22-2009 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
There have been tons of stuff written about the 1st game and how effective the Cavs defense with the unusual matchups one of which was LeBron James guarding the point guard was in the first half. Your point is almost indefensible. I'm sure there is video available of the first half of the game. When Alston and Johnson are bringing the ball up the court and they are being guarded by LeBron james, how doesnt this not count?

If the one man zone was effective, why did they go away from it? Perhaps because the man who was not being guarded, alston, hit a couple of open jumpers (11 pts)? Hmmmm

You have to stop the ball. That is a basic rule in defense and alston isnt a threat to get to the basket or do anything once he gets there. Self check. So once the ball is passed that is when the play starts.

I dont know how many magic games you watched but they are not a pg dominated offense especially when the little guy got injured.

5 on 4 not man to man.

dalakhani 05-22-2009 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
This is laughable...

But yet so true...

dalakhani 05-22-2009 07:44 PM

He isnt even covering him. Seriously. Are you watching this?


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