I had a friend just bail on me..if anyone is interested I have a seat for Fri/Sat Section P... also I have a Clubhouse pass for Sat.

Just PM me if interested.

All three are very live basically because they have a huge class edge over everyone except Curlin. Duke looks very live at this distance, but I think Raven's Pass will put in the best showing of the three. He gets Frankie Dettori and I like the fact that he is an Elusive Quality.

I'm thinking after this we can discuss the merits of Jelly Roll Rumble and his chances in the Dirt Marathon

I'm missing something here. What's wrong with the topic of this thread? Seems useful enough for me.

--Dunbar

It'd be useful if the author, and the contributors, had a CLUE. Last time Fischer gave out a winner, the Berlin Wall was still up. Yet, he insists on offering his opinion on just about everything.:rolleyes: Come on Bobby, let's put those PUERILE PACE FIGURES to use. Or that innovative show wagering system.

As for Quiet Chris: how did he escape my iggy bin? :zz:

And notice that when Fischer OPINES, DaHoss is not far behind.

Hoss,
I'm trying to find the head on replay of your post.....and I can't .......damn when is the technology going to catch up........crap it must be the jockey's fault.

good input on the race

Raven's Pass is one tough customer; he doesn't go under without a fight. His losses, apart from those at the straight track at Newmarket, are none of them over 1.5 lengths. He was very good early at 2, and was beaten only a head by champion 2yo and subsequent Derby winner New Approach in the Dewhurst S(G1), which is Britain's championship event for 2yos. He went a long stretch over the spring and summer without a win (behind Henry 3 times), but seemed to have taken heart from his G3 win in August to finally peg back Henry in the QEII and may be maturing later than that one. His half-brother Gigawatt certainly seems to have gone through a 'dead zone' at three after having been a SW at 2 before having his best years as an older horse; he was a dirt horse AND a turf horse.

The major knock against Raven's Pass is that he has never run at a distance beyond 8f. Sire Elusive Quality and half-bro Gigawatt were also milers, so one must wonder about his effectiveness at 10f. But his quality is quite high - they have a darned good group of 3yos in Europe this year - which can carry milers another couple furlongs beyond their optimum trip. And, oh yes, Raven's Pass has also won on a left-handed course.

I ride PELOTON daily.

fatman would be great to discuss racing with if he wasn't anti-social

honestly I AM CLUELESS about these 3 euros.
The synthetic track opens some possibilities to turf horses.
Not sure if Santa Anita Pro Ride might be a little more speed friendly than other synthetics, or how the Euros will transfer over.

I don't even have a strong feeling about which is the best of the 3??
Henrythenavigator is starting to get bet at ladbrokes and thegreek...


thegreek
curlin = 2.25/1
Henrythenavigator= 8.25/1
Ravens Pass =10.15/1
Duke of Marmalade = 10.15/1

ladbrokes
curlin = 3/1
Henrythenavigator= 5/1
Ravens Pass =8/1
Duke of Marmalade = 12/1

good info.

Oh my god.

Which statement do you disagree with?
a) superior milers can win going 10fs - Northern Dancer, Dr. Fager, Precisionist were all essentially milers but could win at longer races because of their quality.
b) the top 3yos in Britain/Ireland/Europe are a darned good group. Sophomores finished 1-2 in both the big wfa mile races in Britain this year; Derby winner New Approach was third in the York International (held at Newmarket because of flooding) after he came out of the gate throwing his head and fighting his jock the first quarter mile, then slaughtered his elders in the Irish Champion and yesterday's Champion S. And don't forget the 3yo filly Zarkava, who won the Arc.

Yea, European turf horses are pretty much expected to add distance in America...

not sure how unique Raven's Pass is in that regard being by Elusive Quality?

Duke of Marmalade - obviously a top 10F turf horse in Europe. . . Playing against because horses are often over the top after running in the Arc and then going to the BC.

Henrythenavigator - some say he may be on the decline off of his last two, but those were on softer turf - he had a slightly tougher trip than Raven's Pass in the QEII and obviously he still ran a pretty big race. His pedigree suggests he'll appreciate the stretch-out and he should take to the synthetic. He's my play if he stays near 8-1.

Raven's Pass - seems to be improving. Win last time over HTN was pretty nice, but he may have had a slight trip advantage and liked the soft turf more than HTN. His pedigree is somewhat of a question at the distance, but he's got a shot if Curlin doesn't take to the synthetic and he outruns or outrips HTN.