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GPK 08-31-2008 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
If I might.

I think he is assuming the betting public that would take on this sort of political wager will be a good indicator of how people are going to vote. I dont find this unreasonable.

I would like to learn about the exchange market theory though...


But what % of that money is being wagered by Americans? I would think there has to be a huge margin of error based on the amount of money coming in from overseas.

pgardn 08-31-2008 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
But what % of that money is being wagered by Americans? I would think there has to be a huge margin of error based on the amount of money coming in from overseas.

I would agree.
But they may be betting based on polls they feel are reliable at this point in the race.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-31-2008 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Thanks for the link.

But help me out please. How are those two things indicative of how people are gonna vote? I guess Im not seeing the relevance here.

The same as how the odds of a horse race are indicative of how the horses will finish.

The same as how the odds on a boxing match are indicative of how the outcome of the fight will be.

The same as how the money line of a football game is indicative of who will win the game.

Why exactly did the betting go the way it has since Palin was named McCain's VP choice? How the hell would I know. However, people who think that she has made this a much tighter race are out of their mind. That much is clear.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-31-2008 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
I would like to learn about the exchange market theory though...

http://www.pollingreport.com/lvw_bet.htm

GPK 08-31-2008 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
The same as how the odds of a horse race are indicative of how the horses will finish.

The same as how the odds on a boxing match are indicative of how the outcome of the fight will be.

The same as how the money line of a football game is indicative of who will win the game.

Why exactly did the betting go the way it has since Palin was named McCain's VP choice? How the hell would I know. However, people who think that she has made this a much tighter race are out of their mind. That much is clear.


Im not trying to be a pain in the ass...but don't you think its harder to put faith in those type odds when the people that will be doing the voting (american citizens) have their money in the same "pool" as everyone else world? I could see if the offshore betting site had a seperate pool for american citizens and based their odds upon that. Those odds are reflective of how people worldwide feel who will win. Fortunately for us, people throughout the world don't vote to determine our president.

pgardn 08-31-2008 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Why exactly did the betting go the way it has since Palin was named McCain's VP choice? How the hell would I know. However, people who think that she has made this a much tighter race are out of their mind. That much is clear.

You dont know this at all.

Again, you dont have the odds if McCain chose Romney.
Is it possible McCain would take a dive no matter who he chose?
I say hell yes its possible.

pgardn 08-31-2008 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Very interesting.
And this is what I was basically thinking.
Imo they are giving way too much credit to those people have lots of money actually
understanding what they are doing with it. They are gambling like any other market,
only this type of gambling is very volatile and might be ridden with thrill seekers.

I thought you were typing about the exchange rate of the dollar or something
on the other topic.
My bad.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-31-2008 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Im not trying to be a pain in the ass...but don't you think its harder to put faith in those type odds when the people that will be doing the voting (american citizens) have their money in the same "pool" as everyone else world? I could see if the offshore betting site had a seperate pool for american citizens and based their odds upon that. Those odds are reflective of how people worldwide feel who will win. Fortunately for us, people throughout the world don't vote to determine our president.

I would expect the vast majority of the money wagered is being done so by Americans.

The Indomitable DrugS 09-01-2008 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Again, you dont have the odds if McCain chose Romney.
Is it possible McCain would take a dive no matter who he chose?
I say hell yes its possible.

No, in my opinion it's not possible.

Had McCain selected Romney - as expected - I don't think the market and betting lines would have moved a penny.

The markets and lines have been actively trending towards Obama since the morning it was announced McCain took Palin.

What you don't know is why such a move.

Most likely it's just a sustained betting overreaction to an unexpected and seemingly bad choice.

If it keeps moving and moving and moving - at that point you would start to smell a rat.

Palin went to the University of Idaho in the 80's... perhaps there are very compromising pictures of her that were laying around in someone's basement that are on the verge of being made public.

There are rumors that her supposed 5th kid was really her 17-year-old daughters kid. The daughter was taken out of school for several months with mono while Palin announced she was 7 months pregnant despite not showing. She took an 8 hour flight to Alaska after saying her water broke. Maybe there is something to the rumor.

There are reports that someone with the Obama team who does opposition research went through the archives of the Valley Frontiersman, Palin's hometown newspaper, and were the first ones to do so - meaning no one with McCain did. It might be possible they found something very compromising and are holding it.

She is under investigation in Alaska for abuse of power. Perhaps there is more to that story.

Mortimer 09-01-2008 01:07 AM

The snot thickens.

Mortimer 09-01-2008 01:13 AM

I thought for sure this time we would see no Clinton nor Bush on either ticket.


Perhaps the worst job of selecting a running mate since Stella Walsh made the relay team.


I may not even bother this time around.

Mortimer 09-01-2008 01:16 AM

Could it be possible the Reps. don't want to win??



Have stranger things happened?

How should we know?

ArlJim78 09-01-2008 06:35 AM

OMG, we're now referring to the odds on betting exchanges as having some meaning? novices.

brianwspencer 09-01-2008 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
The only thing is, don't you think the McCain team would have known about this or any of the things you mention here?

Nope. The latest reports (depending on who you believe) make it seem like it was a hasty decision and she was vetted for a matter of days.....

Mike 09-01-2008 07:51 AM

Palin in bed in t-shirt that boasts she's not flat chested:

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/36715/original.jpg

pgardn 09-01-2008 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
No, in my opinion it's not possible.

Had McCain selected Romney - as expected - I don't think the market and betting lines would have moved a penny.

The markets and lines have been actively trending towards Obama since the morning it was announced McCain took Palin.

What you don't know is why such a move.

Most likely it's just a sustained betting overreaction to an unexpected and seemingly bad choice.

If it keeps moving and moving and moving - at that point you would start to smell a rat.

Palin went to the University of Idaho in the 80's... perhaps there are very compromising pictures of her that were laying around in someone's basement that are on the verge of being made public.

There are rumors that her supposed 5th kid was really her 17-year-old daughters kid. The daughter was taken out of school for several months with mono while Palin announced she was 7 months pregnant despite not showing. She took an 8 hour flight to Alaska after saying her water broke. Maybe there is something to the rumor.

There are reports that someone with the Obama team who does opposition research went through the archives of the Valley Frontiersman, Palin's hometown newspaper, and were the first ones to do so - meaning no one with McCain did. It might be possible they found something very compromising and are holding it.

She is under investigation in Alaska for abuse of power. Perhaps there is more to that story.

Romney would have doomed them imo.
Sure loss.

Obama has a team that is as ruthless as any Republican
team. Obama learned a big lesson on how and when to
play hardball when he was first elected to an office.

geeker2 09-01-2008 08:43 AM

Palin haters..don't get to excited. None of the polls out have been taken since she was selected.

But this one is the lastest and it reflects the great impact of Joe..

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7012063001

dalakhani 09-01-2008 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by geeker2
Palin haters..don't get to excited. None of the polls out have been taken since she was selected.

But this one is the lastest and it reflects the great impact of Joe..

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7012063001

"AHN" is a trusted and respected media source read the world over. George W. Bush doesnt make a move until he gets his daily fix of AHN.


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