http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/supreme-c...marriage-fight

Do your tax payer funded job, or resign.
Funny tho.....She's on her fourth marriage.

http://news.yahoo.com/kentucky-clerk...123123745.html

still refuses. betch

what part of govt separation of church and state does she not understand? as a govt official, she can not impose her beliefs, and is supposed to follow the laws of the govt she serves.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10476581.html

disgusting, reprehensible, and unconscionable.

It never ends..
 

Saw this on eve news...

Texas police 'shoot man with hands up'.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34122204


And this..


Cops hunt 3 suspects in shooting of Illinois police officer identified as 30-year vet.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/01...ed-in-chicago/

@GovMikeHuckabee compares the jailing of #KimDavis to the slavery ruling in Dred Scott http://cnn.it/1OnKl52

http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/09/medi...carly-fiorina/

misogynist just cant help himself.

I swear, I think the man is actually being a troll for the Clintons. He's friends with them; I can totally see Bill saying, "So, listen, Don, do me this favor for Hillary..."

Thats what i said in another thread, were being punked.

But why would trump lose so much to help them? I just dont see it.
and i saw today that trump is saying 'i didnt say that about fiorina'
Hes a pathological liar.

He clarified that today..said "i didn't mean her face I meant her personna":zz::zz:

Yeah, I can completely understand how 'look at that face' would mean he was discussing her persona...not her actual face. Can't believe he felt the need to clarify. :zz:

Well, seeing as how he could have made twice as much money just parking his generous inheritance in index funds than he made actually trying to increase it himself, one could argue that he's not the most savvy person out there. That said, in this case, he's not losing anything. He's all anyone is talking about on the campaign trail, and he'll be a guest on every imaginable political talk show for years afterwards.

The Apprentice was cancelled; he needs to do something to keep his Q factor high. What he's doing is good for the Dems and good for his career. Win-win, as far as he's concerned.

Totally agree about the pathological liar bit, though. Hey, maybe he DOES have a future in politics! ;)

He didn't need to go there when he has a slam dunk slamming her on her putrid stint at HP where she eliminated jobs while she enriched herself with stock options and a golden parachute.

Though Mr. Four Times Declared Bankruptcy criticizing Ms. Ran HP Into the Ground is truly a case of the soda can calling the aluminum foil recyclable.

But instead of fighting he uses a judo move and takes ownership of it and turns it into a business tactic. It loses steam.. Guy has skin thicker than a shark


http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/31/news...mp-bankruptcy/


"I have used the laws of this country ... the [bankruptcy] chapter laws, to do a great job for my company, for myself, for my employees, for my family," he said during the first Republican presidential debate on August 6.
Trump claims that successful businesses file for bankruptcy all the time. At the debate he said "virtually every person that you read about on the front page of the business sections, they've used the [bankruptcy] law."

:tro:
but he just can't help it.

Excellent point. If he brings up that businesses declare bankruptcy with ease, while middle-class and working class folks find it considerably more difficult, my mind will be considered blown.

Fun fact: the credit card companies, some years back, finally paid Washington enough $$$ to get the laws passed they wanted (making it harder for people to discharge credit card debt) but for awhile it was delayed by Chuck Schumer, who inserted language into the early legislation saying that the same rules would apply to anti-abortion groups trying to declare bankruptcy to get out of paying legal fines. The right-winger Congresscritters so eager to screw over middle-class workers balked at making anti-abortion groups responsible for paying their legal fines. Schumer is not one of my favorite Dems lately, but for awhile back there he did some real good.

:D:D

Good old American ingenuity..if there's a way to make a buck we'll do it..:$:



http://www.newsday.com/opinion/edito...ony-1.10844647

"lack of money is the root of all evil'~george bernard shaw

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-s...-want-cable-tv

Are they really escaping tyranny, are they escaping poverty, or are they really just coming because we’ve got cable TV?” Huckabee asked, in an audience question-and-answer session at the conservative Eagle Forum conference in St. Louis. “I don’t mean to be trite.”

His attempt at humor-if that was his goal-fell way short..how many Fox 'news reporters:D' do you see reporting in war zones or at these refugee routes...big fat zero!

On another note this really ticks me off..

Now I'll have to write 2 checks.:D:D

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2360560

:D

So effing ridiculous.

The hospital is acting within their legal rights. She could go to another hospital.

Did you read the article? They addressed that. Her doctor only has admitting privileges at that hospital. Speaking as someone who went through a difficult pregnancy and a difficult delivery, it sure helps if you have the same medical professional who saw you through the pregnancy at the delivery because they know your situation better than someone who just met you 30 minutes before.

What I find thoroughly wrong is that when a Catholic hospital conglomerate merges with a secular hospital, the Catholic hospital gets to set the rules about care. And they're buying up a LOT of hospitals. I go to a hospital for medical care, not religion.

Here's a case where religion led to negligent care (no, it's not the Irish lady that hospital killed; American hospital this time):

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/cathol...ays-2D11674429

And an article from 2012 about Catholic hospitals reducing care for women:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/21/he...tive-care.html

Yes, and I read this one, too.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ba2_story.html
She has more than 30 minutes to find another hospital, unless she otherwise spends her time in litigation trying to force this hospital to perform a recommended procedure.

which would mean her having to get another doctor. something she doesn't wish to do, and frankly, shouldn't have to do.
i mean, it's just her life at stake. no biggie
catholic and other religious groups have every right to open and run hospitals. but medical should come before theological. otherwise, no, they should not be able to run a hospital.
when non medically trained priests are overriding physician recommendations, there's a problem.

Accommodate me, now! It's my right to force you to do something which runs against your beliefs, even if it's not an emergency and I have alternatives, because your beliefs inconvenience me.

but the hospital did tubals, removes a womans uterus:

and what about this:

At one time, Catholic doctors would have been allowed to perform Mann’s tubal ligation, as Directive number 47 reads:


“Operations, treatments, and medications that have as their direct purpose the cure of a proportionately serious pathological condition of a pregnant woman are permitted when they cannot be safely postponed until the unborn child is viable, even if they will result in the death of the unborn child.”

she hasn't got a condition??


"But a 2010 letter from the Conference of Catholic Bishops clarified the directive: Catholic doctors are only allowed to perform sterilization if it is an unavoidable byproduct of a given procedure—for instance, if a woman with uterine cancer needs to get her uterus removed to survive.

However, Mann’s tubal ligation would be performed with the specific intent of preventing future pregnancies, and thus, is prohibited.


“In this case, if they said, ‘Well, we have to remove the tumor and a result of removing the tumor is that you would become sterile, that might be allowed, but because they’re saying failure to take action related to her pregnancy wil lhave an impact on her brain, that’s not allowed under the directives,” explained Brooke Tucker, the ACLU’s staff attorney focusing on the case, in an interview with Jezebel."

they say this tubal is to prevent the woman getting pregnant, thus isn't allowed....but they are completely ignoring the fact that if she was to get pregnant again, it could kill her.

but yeah, you're right. how dare a woman in the us demand a hospital do a medical procedure.? what nerve.


'first do no harm' hasn't got an asterisk next to it.

i wonder if anyone would know what was going on if he just went on and did the thing while 'in there'?

This hospital is not doing harm by refusing to perform the procedure. Her life is not in danger from not having the procedure done at the time of the birth of her child. It was suggested by her doctor that she have it done because with her condition "any future pregnancies could be fatal." She can have it done at another hospital in the future, or have her baby at another hospital (there are several nearby) where doctors will do the procedure after she gives birth. Or, she can litigate and hope for intervention, but that doesn't look promising.

She's had the condition for ten years. She became pregnant three years ago, and it was considered a high risk pregnancy then because of her condition. She didn't have a tubal ligation done after that pregnancy.

the very best time to have it done is immediately after giving birth. there is NO reason why she should have to arrange a separate procedure.
they're a hospital, they should do hospital things or get the hell out of the business.

oh, and chances are they'll do it because:

http://www.sfgate.com/health/article...on-6463205.php

and that was a case without health issues.

and note:

Although sterilization is normally voluntary, major medical organizations say a tubal ligation immediately after a woman’s last intended pregnancy is such a safe and quick procedure, and so effective in preventing unwanted future pregnancies, that it should be considered “urgent” medical care.

“The immediate (post-childbirth) period ... is the ideal time to perform sterilization because of technical ease and convenience for the woman and physician,” said the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists in a 2012 report. “Obstetrician-gynecologists need to identify themselves as champions or patient advocates for post-partum sterilization in their respective hospitals.”

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/jon-stewa...rst-responders

well, hell, if the govt can **** all over the military veterans, why are first responders so special? let them fight for every crumb just like the soldiers and sailors who answer the call, and get injured.

true story--during vietnam, if you suffered PTSD, they'd discharge you because you had a 'medical condition'. but they didn't recognize it as legit, so you got ZERO medical help for it from the VA.
a guy i know was in airborne...was part of a demonstration. they told him he landed properly...but all he remembers is fighting with the chute, because it didn't open correctly-it was in what they call a cigar roll.
anyway, broke most of his body. woke up weeks later in hospital, fake knees in place, god knows what all broken.
funny how much one zero can affect a person. the dingbat at the va that entered his info, put him at 10% disability instead of 100%. he had to fight for years with them over that.
'oh, hehe, sorry', she said.

I can see why she would like to do it then, which is why she should choose a hospital willing to accommodate her wishes.
That is up to her. See above.
Catholic hospitals generally don't do sterilizations. Why this would surprise anyone I don't know. Why a patient feels that her wishes trump the wishes of hospital administrators I don't know, unless it is because we are increasingly beset by people who feel that they are entitled to whatever they want, whenever they want it from the hands of people who don't want to give it to them.

yeah, go figure someone in this secular country expecting medical care at a hospital.
again, if the church can't separate theology from medicine, they should not own hospitals.
and they have sterilized people. I'm sorry you keep ignoring that part.

but yeah, it's just her life, her soon to be born kids health, her future at stake. absolutely, here in the u.s., religion should dictate...
'whatever they want'? catholic hospitals have done tubals, so they have no argument due to past practice.
and don't forget, this is the same business sued for wrongful death, whose lawyers argued that 7 month old viable twins weren't alive, and that the hospital couldn't be held accountable for 'wrongful death'.
so, their theology fits unless money is at stake.
I wonder how many insurers will start dropping such hospitals...who would rather force more procedures and extra costs because of a book written by people who didn't know where the sun went at night. I mean, it's the patients and insurance companies who pay....so, yes, the patient should get what it needs-and this is medically dictated by her doctor.
and i'll listen to a doctor over a religious guy who doesn't give a rats behind about women any day.

have catholic hospitals done tubal ligations? yes. so, what's the deal?

and what about the fact that this very hospital has done tubals til late last year? no wonder her and her doctor were surprised at the sudden turn of events...because they been done there for years. he's probably done them there before.

http://www.propublica.org/article/u....-sterilization

another article about genesis.
and it's not even as tho this woman is asking for a tubal to prevent pregnancy because she wants no more kids.
it's to prevent a pregnancy that could take her life.
bah, who cares..
more women made every day

Religion: Men telling women what they're permitted to do with their own bodies.

But, but . . . you used to do them. It used to be okay.

It's as if people, parties, governments and churches have nevah evah changed their minds/laws/doctrines.

https://reason.com/blog/2015/08/26/w...-party-was-lik