I'm only taking this year because the turf will not be a bog and there are a few past BC years of SA/OSA turf races to draw information from to form opinions. I will be looking to make my money on the lawn this year. Last year, that was a risky option with the deluges. Too many "what if's".

Already looking forward to the BC at CD in 2010.

POLY over DIRT anytime.

FAIR RACING over BIASED RACING.

The ironic thing about this year's BC is that any BIAS will be on the (speed favoring) TURF. Now, ThAT's (long overdue) PROGRESS.

2 of those 3 are glorified sprinters.

What's your take on the Euro jockey's?

It's weird than that they'd be running 7f.

Understood, but their connections are going to point them for the Strub series where they will show their true colors.

Mast Track's back in

http://drf.com/news/article/99304.html

Looks like they're gonna go although I dunno if Frankel's gonna listen to his blacksmith and do a patch or not. I don't exactly know everything about feet but is there a problem with putting a patch on? Is there a reason you wouldn't want to put one on for the Breeders' Cup?

The first race in that is a G1 at 7 furlongs, what a dumb placement that would be. :rolleyes:

It'll play more to turf horses but I don't think it will benefit or hinder horses on the lead or closing. Like the turf the best horse on the surface that gets a good trip will win. Don't count on a lesser horse wiring the field cause it is loose on the lead like they can on dirt. In the end it plays like turf and those cheap horses get run down on turf.

I think Into Mischief already is destined for stud duty next year. I think they signed a deal for him.

In this economy that would be idiocy.

I agree with KG. When I'm looking at the BC races with horses coming from real dirt and turf who are trying Pro-Ride for the first time, how does the 'formful' surface at SA help my handicapping? It's a complete roll of the dice to me.

i'd say the mud/slop and soggy turf.

I'll tell you after Saturday.....:D

I'll second that.

The upcoming results will punch a hole in any foolishness saying good horses run on anything. I cannot wait to see some of these world beaters get smoked exclusively because of the surface.

I like what Reed Baker said. If you had a horse that had won 10 million on the dirt and you entered him in the Breeders Cup Turf, most people would think you are out of your mind. Thats essentially what all of these people shipping into California are doing. You take a shot because the money is so good, but it will be a day of upside down results. Once again the industry has made themselves look foolish, they cannot control themselves. Especially in California

I will standback and watch a day of false champions run on fake dirt. Its a true disgrace and I hope the Euros Sweep the Cushion Card, and I dont doubt they do exactly that

I will not make one wager

Slop.

breeder cup pp
 

go to breeser cup.com and you will see all the pp.. according to group..

Slop

Free PP's
 

Here's a link to free BRIS PP's


http://horseracing.about.com/od/bree.../aabcpps08.htm

Slop

I have the Advance version and it is fine from what I can see.

Slop

lol..all together now...

Actually this could be a great BC...........if Curlie gets trounced...

I hope that the Euro's sweep the card as well. But that doesn't have any impact on the quality of the Champion. The Duke, HTN and RP in the Classic are all proven G1 winners against higher class and better quality stock then the US has to offer. How would they be considered a false champion.

Thanks for the link Djarum. Much appreciated.

Yes, yes he did

Synthetic over slop any day. Much fairer to the horses

synthetic. sloppy main tracks account for about 90% of my worst handicapping days ever (and state bred stakes days account for about 9% of the rest).

I'm looking forward to this BC about fifty times more than I looked forward to last year's,

Will take synthetic over soup any day of the week.

me too. most turfers seem to relish only a certain kind of ground, so if they like it hard and firm, and it comes up soft, you can start narrowing down the field with confidence.
as for betting on poly with confidence....not so much.

i would agree with his take on that.

but don't they water the courses? i seem to remember reading that one group was ticked off because they felt that the course got watered too much, which benefitted the o'brien entry....
and yeah, they don't like it firm over there, which was my point that most over there like it deep-and send their firm loving horses here to find ground to suit them.

.......thats some list of horses......pilsudski set me free......

BC singles and tosses
 

Just incase there aren't yet enough BC threads, who are you tossing?

Who is a lock?

Play nice in the sandbox kids. :D

My single is Cocoa Beach, still working on my toss list.

My buddie who is in prison........ Jimmie A. Lock ! :D :p

Friday.....
Halfway to Heaven & Zenyatta - SINGLES
Doremifasollatido & Dynaforce - TOSS

Saturday.....
Goldikova & Street Boss - SINGLES
Black Seventeen & Red Rocks - TOSS

Tiago is a lock :)

I think the two best singles on the Friday card are in the juvy races:
Stardom Bound in the juvy fillies, and Laragh in the juvy fillies turf.

Of horses that will probably take some money, I think Intangaroo is a toss in the Filly and Mare Sprint. She appears to be much better on the dirt than synthetics, and if the race sets up well for her in terms of pace, it will also set up well for Ventura, who I like a lot more.