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jms62 05-25-2022 08:49 AM

A "Generation" is defined as 20-30 years so lets middle that to 25 years... Who we kicking out to let Secret Oath in? Seems to me she lost any chance of entering this group in the Ark Derby.... Laughable that we need to find 3 or 4 GOATS a year... Diminishes it

blackthroatedwind 05-25-2022 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1165173)
A "Generation" is defined as 20-30 years so lets middle that to 25 years... Who we kicking out to let Secret Oath in? Seems to me she lost any chance of entering this group in the Ark Derby.... Laughable that we need to find 3 or 4 GOATS a year... Diminishes it

That's the way I see it as well. I also don't understand the hurry. Let's see how her career plays out.

At this point, is she better than Malathaat was last year? I don't see it, and with all due respect, to Malathaat, she hardly feels like a particularly memorable champion.

moses 05-25-2022 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1165155)
I wonder who was the first person to suggest Untapable might be a generational talent

I say it after every race about every horse in the race from $5K claimers to graded stakes horses. Of course, the horses never turn out to be generational talents but I am never wrong that they might have become a generational talent.

King Glorious 05-25-2022 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1165173)
A "Generation" is defined as 20-30 years so lets middle that to 25 years... Who we kicking out to let Secret Oath in? Seems to me she lost any chance of entering this group in the Ark Derby.... Laughable that we need to find 3 or 4 GOATS a year... Diminishes it

Absolutely. Nothing wrong with thinking you may be seeing something special and proclaiming it early. But once the evidence to the contrary kicks in and starts building up, to quote the great American philosopher Kenny Rogers, “you gotta know when to fold them.”

Dahoss 07-25-2022 09:48 AM

Are we still thinking Secret Oath is a generational talent?

moses 07-25-2022 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1167520)
Are we still thinking Secret Oath is a generational talent?

Her only losses are to Cyberknife, who just defeated two super horses, and a filly that should have won the Belmont. The jury is still out. This will transition nicely to a conversation about Cyberknife’s chances for top 3YO male.

Dahoss 07-25-2022 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1167535)
Her only losses are to Cyberknife, who just defeated two super horses, and a filly that should have won the Belmont. The jury is still out. This will transition nicely to a conversation about Cyberknife’s chances for top 3YO male.

She was soundly beaten both times she tried males and Nest just swatted her away like she was a fly.

Nest was never winning the Belmont but maybe she’s the generational talent. She got beat less than a length by Gerrymander in her 2nd start and you saw what Gerrymander did in the Mother Goose. She was second best in the Oaks and Belmont but that performance Saturday was next level. Secret Oath has never run a race that fast.

Honestly neither one of them are likely to be considered generational. They’re nice fillies.

moses 07-25-2022 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1167536)
She was soundly beaten both times she tried males and Nest just swatted her away like she was a fly.

Nest was never winning the Belmont but maybe she’s the generational talent. She got beat less than a length by Gerrymander in her 2nd start and you saw what Gerrymander did in the Mother Goose. She was second best in the Oaks and Belmont but that performance Saturday was next level. Secret Oath has never run a race that fast.

Honestly neither one of them are likely to be considered generational. They’re nice fillies.

Agreed. I was just assuming how Vic might respond. I actually forgot she ran in the Preakness. My memory must be going.

Dahoss 07-26-2022 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1167538)
Agreed. I was just assuming how Vic might respond. I actually forgot she ran in the Preakness. My memory must be going.

My bad :o

v j stauffer 07-26-2022 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1167538)
Agreed. I was just assuming how Vic might respond. I actually forgot she ran in the Preakness. My memory must be going.

Seems clear she's not as good as I'd thought/hoped she'd be.

Obviously VERY talented.

But not generational at this point.

Dahoss 07-26-2022 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 1167556)
But not generational at this point.

“At this point”

:D:D:D

freddymo 07-26-2022 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 1167556)
Seems clear she's not as good as I'd thought/hoped she'd be.

Obviously VERY talented.

But not generational at this point.

Very talented horses come around EVERY year. I don't know what fig Jerry Brown used for Nest but I wold think it is MUCH better then anything Secret Oak has ever run

v j stauffer 07-27-2022 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1167560)
Very talented horses come around EVERY year. I don't know what fig Jerry Brown used for Nest but I wold think it is MUCH better then anything Secret Oak has ever run

I would think you'd be right.

cakes44 03-11-2023 05:37 PM

Well that was impressive as heck.

v j stauffer 03-12-2023 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 1172215)
Well that was impressive as heck.

Starting to think she's pretty good after all.

Still time to seek generational.


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