She is running in filly races. Horses that win the BC Classic shouldnt stick to filly races. It isn't like there are a whole lot of horses shipping in to run in the colt races for better money against ordinary horses either. The fact is that the older horse and filly/mare divsion are pretty thin. And that is being nice.

I'm really not sure why these basic concepts seem to be lost on people. I could understand if it's new fans saying this stuff, but for the most part it isn't. Weird...

Honestly Honu is one of the few CA people that at least offers something different than the usual fare. What is maddening is the older horse division stinks yet the Z camp still cared more about that stupid streak. The reason that very few horses ever had streaks like that? No one cared about wins in a row if there were bigger races to chase.

I would care about the streak if I were her connections wouldnt you ? Its important and its good for racing 25k people showed up to the hood with their signs to cheer for her and see her do her thing. Yeah maybe they should have ventured out and did something else but at this stage in the game its a little late for that. You have something with stating the older male horse division isnt much to write home about and Z will most likely go against them in Kentucky. I would have to say that the last 4 years have been a no better time to be Zenyatta and her connections because other than her there are no real super stars even if her star is mostly shining on the west coast.

Is that Justin Beiber?

embarrasing

people talk about great horses by referencing great moments. affirmed and his rivalry with alydar, dr fager detesting turf but refusing to lose, personal ensign getting up in the last stride to beat winning colors, secretariat beating the field and the clock in the classics....john henry is immortalized in bronze with the bart. one of the greatest endings ever. i dont know if affirmed ever had a big win streak, but i know he was great. it appears at this point zenyattas biggest moment is tying peppers pride. tis a shame.

Would I care about the streak? I doubt that there would be a streak as I most assuredly would have challenged her by running in races that mean something and perhaps may have been defeated. However I also might have won races like the Big Cap or Whitney or Woodward or JC Gold Cup or Foster or Arlington Million or Beverly D or Diana or Hollywood Gold Cup or Pacific Classic or Goodwood or something like that. I guarantee that I wouldn't have won either the East coast or West Coast version of the Lady's Secret this year.

So do you think 20 years from RA is going to have a greater legacy than Zenyatta because she did take on and win such demanding races for a filly?

I think I would take that bet if you wanted it.

You should have been at the BC last year - whether you think Zenyatta beat the best or the worst...the crowd was electric and the race was a thrill to behold.

I would say it ranked as a "biggest moment" for those that attended.

If Zenyatta bombs in the Classic? Probably, at least on the East Coast.

Of course the point I could make is that neither will have much of a lasting legacy anyway. Just as Smarty Jones, Big Brown and Curlin have all been pretty much forgotten and it has only been a few years for them. Seriously it was only 2 years ago and some of the geniuses (many are now Zen-tards) were claiming that Curlin was an all time, top 10 great. THAT issue doesn't crop up much any longer.

Not with Jerry and Ann Moss, they really dont like to ship around that much, only reason I know this is because Dick used to train for them. They would ship for BC races and such but they were never interested in having their horses travel that much.

Screw you! Curlin is the bestest horse ever.

You know, if I were Moss, I'd send Z to be bred to Curlin. That way if her foal was better than RA's, he could brag.

Obviously...they will never meet.:D

The exact same analysis could be applied to Rachel's Woodward.

Which is completely their prerogative. But in not doing so they open themselves up to criticism which is IMO, deserved. They may have some aversion to shipping but they (and the 'fans' of the horse) should understand that in doing so they have looked like they are ducking competition. If they had run in the Pacific Classic, Hollywood Gold Cup or Goodwood, the fear of shipping excuse wouldn't have looked so lame.

I thought her greatness was going to carry over to her stud career...

That just shows how dumb you Zenyatta detractors are.

Zenyatta is a mare and cannot have a stud career!

UHOH! I hope those DEE-TEE fillies and mares don't read this!
Maybe they should give Jess a call.:)

Hey she can do anything that she wants!