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johnny pinwheel 08-18-2010 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 683283)
My first thought was ... if they already have a mosque currently built that's four blocks from ground zero - why do they need one two blocks from ground zero?

But, I remembered that we have at least one church on every block in this friggen city - and I can't tell you how many times I've been awaken out of sound sleep by those god damn annoying church bells and their stupid hourly clock.

What can I do about it? Go over at 3AM and shoot a wad onto that virgen Mary statue by the enterance?

I don't like religions of any name - I don't like houses of worship of any kind - but I don't see who it hurts to have a muslim house of worship two blocks away.
i agree, religion has become the root of all evil and wars. now this is some kind of important issue when we are going bankrupt. the conservative idiots and the liberal idiots are going to have a food fight while the country is going down the crapper.....hey, did you hear lindsey lohan got out of jail???....lol. and the religion rip off is another thing and i'm referring to all religions! they all think they have the truth...what is the truth? and who knows what happens when we die? its santa claus and the tooth fairy all over again....not saying theres not a God but the human perception of such a being is perverted....lets all kill each other over it...thats what God would want.....lol....lol...lol:zz:

joeydb 08-18-2010 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 684470)
Do most atheists you know believe in god? Because McVeigh did. Do you seriously believe everything you read on the internet? You cite some right-wing blog as your evidence? Here is McVeigh's interview with Time:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/prin...109478,00.html

The key part with regards to religion:

TIME: Are you religious?
MCVEIGH: I was raised Catholic. I was confirmed Catholic (received the sacrament of confirmation). Through my military years, I sort of lost touch with the religion. I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs.
TIME: Do you believe in God?
MCVEIGH: I do believe in a God, yes. But that's as far as I want to discuss. If I get too detailed on some things that are personal like that, it gives people an easier way alienate themselves from me and that's all they are looking for now.

Yep....that's some atheist. :rolleyes:

Well, he might not be an atheist. But he's certainly no Catholic either.

That fifth commandment is pretty clear.

Nascar1966 08-18-2010 02:09 PM
If they built the mosque doesnt the possibility exist that this mosque could be a hiding place for more of the cowardly terrorists that exist in today's society?

SCUDSBROTHER 08-18-2010 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 684725)
If they built the mosque doesnt the possibility exist that this mosque could be a hiding place for more of the cowardly terrorists that exist in today's society?
One of these wall street parasites should do the country a 1 time favor, and build the damn thing for them for free (in Newark.) Throw in a bowling alley that is also well equipped for their animal-killing week in December. Can push the blood into the gutters.

SCUDSBROTHER 08-18-2010 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 684299)
when criminals commit crimes, some attempt to justify it. others don't bother. now, you and i, as well as most on here, can't imagine doing what these guys are-mass killings, suicide bombings, etc. yet bin laden has found a few others who think as he does, much like hitler surrounded himself with like-minded cronies, as did stalin...we don't get it, it makes no sense. but then, i can't imagine having ever been a kamikaze pilot either.
now, bin laden has chosen to justify his actions, much like hitler did before. hitler was preaching a strong germany, a return to greatness. bin laden wants power, and all that goes with it-he has chosen to justify his criminal acts by twisting some verses in the koran to suit his needs.
That's just not true. They are there plain as can be. No twisting necessary. These are verses that other "tame" Moslems won't say are wrong. They'll say b.s. like this is not the Islam they know, but they won't say those verses are evil. If they refuse to do that, then you shouldn't be surprised when tame turns rabid.

SCUDSBROTHER 08-18-2010 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 684299)
cruits killed overnite) ...do you really think he would agree with that mosque in new york? no, he wouldn't. he doesn't want peace and harmony, he wants death and destruction. that's not religion.
Most likely, there are many Bin Laden sympathizers that will use this cultural center. They will remain fairly non-violent until they get bent totally out of shape. Then, it won't be the army getting shot up in Texas. It could easily be people at the 9/11 site just 2 blocks away that get shot up. The tame Moslems at the cultural center will be just so shocked yet again.

SCUDSBROTHER 08-18-2010 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 684308)
I wholeheartedly agree with this. But when clerics, imans and other 'official' representatitives of the religion show support for these terror organizations it blurs the lines.
Zig, I just saw an IMAM from California get asked (on T.V.) if Hamas is a terror group. He refused to answer. He was from a mosque in Temecula, Ca. Hardly a center for terrorism, but their sympathy for terrorism is immense. They aren't like they say they are. Not the way we want to think they are. They're non-violent until bent enough to get violent.

SCUDSBROTHER 08-18-2010 03:37 PM
Remember, this "good guy" Imam said America was in some way partially responsible for 9/11. These are people who sympathise with terrorists. This cultural center is gunna be run by an Imam who finds some way to blame America for some of that slaughter on 9/11. You really gunna be shocked if one of them from the cultural center loses it, and starts blowing people away over at the site?

Antitrust32 08-18-2010 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER (Post 684766)
Zig, I just saw an IMAM from California get asked (on T.V.) if Hamas is a terror group. He refused to answer. He was from a mosque in Temecula, Ca. Hardly a center for terrorism, but their sympathy for terrorism is immense. They aren't like they say they are. Not the way we want to think they are. They're non-violent until bent enough to get violent.
non-violent my ass. Even minus terrorism, the Muslim religion is a bad one. Who here want to be born a Muslim Woman? Any takers? Treat women like dog shi.t. A religion that I will never have respect for (kind of like the Vatican - though at least the new testament in the Bible is about a good man who people could mirror their life after, & is a book that promotes peace)

We should all follow religions that the main character is a murdering pedophile.

Its not like the old testament was anything great either. Moses also was a mass murderer with little compassion.

Religions are quite ridiculous in general.

dellinger63 08-18-2010 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 684771)
Who here want to be born a Muslim Woman? Any takers?.
I just saw Riot raise her hand though she has a bum knee and supports the US post office?

Riot 08-18-2010 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 684725)
If they built the mosque doesnt the possibility exist that this mosque could be a hiding place for more of the cowardly terrorists that exist in today's society?
No, Catholic priests that molest children have their own church protection system.

Riot 08-18-2010 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 684815)
I just saw Riot raise her hand though she has a bum knee and supports the US post office?
Every time you are a complete jackass, a liberal gets a carbon credit :rolleyes:

Riot 08-18-2010 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER (Post 684762)
Most likely, there are many Bin Laden sympathizers that will use this cultural center.
Yeah, especially with that FBI-counterterrorism advisor in charge of it ;)

Nascar1966 08-18-2010 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 684861)
No, Catholic priests that molest children have their own church protection system.
Almost forgot about the Catholic priests. Maybe thats why Notre Dame is going to play Texas in college football to get more money to pay for all the lawsuits.

dellinger63 08-19-2010 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 684861)
No, Catholic priests that molest children have their own church protection system.
so Catholic priests are molesting children in the name of Jesus or are they molesting children because they are pedopheliacs who are also homosexual? Like terrorists are they reciting prayers as they go in?

The overwealming number of 'children' as you call them happen to be boys and I don't know why that is so often overlooked?

miraja2 08-19-2010 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 684952)
The overwealming number of 'children' as you call them happen to be boys and I don't know why that is so often overlooked?
What do you mean by "overlooked?" Who cares if the victims are male or female? The crime is the same either way, so why does the sex of the victim have any bearing on anything?

Antitrust32 08-19-2010 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 685005)
What do you mean by "overlooked?" Who cares if the victims are male or female? The crime is the same either way, so why does the sex of the victim have any bearing on anything?
because Del likes to point out that pedophiles are homosexuals every single time he posts about it.

maybe he had bad experiences growing up as a Catholic boy?

dellinger63 08-19-2010 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 685005)
What do you mean by "overlooked?" Who cares if the victims are male or female? The crime is the same either way, so why does the sex of the victim have any bearing on anything?
because common sense says look at the pattern. It has no bearing unless 90% plus of victims happen to be of 1 of 2 sexes. But I know an old lady in a wheel chair can be a terrorist just like an angry Islamic, flight student.

dellinger63 08-19-2010 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 685014)
because Del likes to point out that pedophiles are homosexuals every single time he posts about it.

maybe he had bad experiences growing up as a Catholic boy?
Lori my comments of pedophilia and homosexuality in the same post have been strictly limited to Catholic priests, who I imagine in 12 years of school I've had a good deal more experience with than the average.

These 'predator' priests NEVER had anything to do with groups whether they be jocks or band members. They always concentrated on the outcasts who they sensed to be weak. It got so easy, within a few weeks of starting an all-boys Catholic high school the pedophiliac priests were just a wee bit easier to identify as their 'victims' IMO. And though Priests who were associated with churches, schools and parishes I've belonged to have been guilty not a single girl has been involved. And lets thank the lord for that.

dellinger63 08-19-2010 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 685014)

maybe he had bad experiences growing up as a Catholic boy?
And my only bad experience happened when I was in my late 20's and my bro. lived in Wrigleyville. A 'hopefully guy dressed as a priest' had a midget 'hopefully dressed as an altar-boy' on a dog leash. I was up 3 stories so it possibly could have been a priest with a altar-boy but I think they were walking home in costume following a parade. But let's not bash. :zz:


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