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Pants II 08-11-2015 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1038922)
It's a relief to know that HRC and her ambivalent, non-committal faux personality will likely be convicted and on trial in Federal court (if not already in cuffs and in prison) before the Dem primary, and even more relieving to know that #2 can't even manage a podium, much less a country.

I want Hillary to win. Then all they have is "b-b-but Congress".

Danzig 08-11-2015 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1038922)
It's a relief to know that HRC and her ambivalent, non-committal faux personality will likely be convicted and on trial in Federal court (if not already in cuffs and in prison) before the Dem primary, and even more relieving to know that #2 can't even manage a podium, much less a country.

convicted and on trial? for what?
as for trump...his lead has more to do with who's behind him than anyone thinking he'd be a good president.

Rudeboyelvis 08-11-2015 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1038933)
convicted and on trial? for what?

Google.com

Rudeboyelvis 08-11-2015 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pants II (Post 1038927)
I want Hillary to win. Then all they have is "b-b-but Congress".

She is "incredibly impressed" with brave victim Megyn Kelly.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/hillary-d...rageous-trump/

Maybe by embracing Fox News' most attractive racist she thinks she can win over the right? Pretty smart, actually.

Danzig 08-11-2015 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1038946)
She is "incredibly impressed" with brave victim Megyn Kelly.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/hillary-d...rageous-trump/

Maybe by embracing Fox News' most attractive racist she thinks she can win over the right? Pretty smart, actually.

megan kelly a brave victim? ha!
i hope hilary doesn't win the nomination for the democrats, i can't stand her.

OldDog 08-11-2015 02:26 PM

Bubba wants an intro to Megyn.

Rudeboyelvis 08-11-2015 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1038953)
megan kelly a brave victim? ha!
i hope hilary doesn't win the nomination for the democrats, i can't stand her.

Unfortunately, Bernie can't even figure out when his stage gets over run by an extremist hate group.

You'd have to hope HRC would have better judgement - but then again, if you would take in her entire state department resume, maybe not :(

Danzig 08-11-2015 03:00 PM

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/disney-ja...ng-anniversary

Danzig 08-11-2015 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1038964)
Unfortunately, Bernie can't even figure out when his stage gets over run by an extremist hate group.

You'd have to hope HRC would have better judgement - but then again, if you would take in her entire state department resume, maybe not :(

i hate she was ever put in state, and i still can't believe the whole email thing..or that no one ever questioned her email the whole time she was in that dept.

Danzig 08-12-2015 09:48 AM

http://www.outsports.com/2015/8/12/9...lton-maldonado

Danzig 08-12-2015 03:40 PM

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/...rnor_just.html

In July, Wisconsin governor and presidential candidate Scott Walker signed a budget that slashed $250 million from his state's higher education system. Wednesday, he signed a bill that would spend $250 million of taxpayer funds on a new stadium for the NBA's Milwaukee Bucks.

OldDog 08-12-2015 04:19 PM

Whether one agrees or disagrees with government financing of sports facilities, this was as bipartisan as it gets. Slate's senior business and economics correspondent (Democratic operative with a byline) seems to have missed that.

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Assembly Speaker Robin Vos has taken the floor to start debate on the Bucks financing deal, saying the current package is better than the original proposal.

He said the deal amounts to state taxpayers contributing $3.5 million annually, while the state takes in $6.5 million in revenue. On top of that, local governments will cover the majority of the cost, the Rochester Republican said.

"It is cheaper for us to pass this bill," Vos said, "than to defeat it and let the team leave."
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A steady stream of Dems are standing and speaking in support of the Bucks financing deal.

They also are repeatedly saying they had strong reservations about the original proposal but have since swing toward full support. Rep. Christine Sinicki, D-Milwaukee, was one of them.

"I could not justify spending millions of dollars on a sports arena," she said, "when in reality, the last budget we passed was the worst budget in the history of the state of Wisconsin."

Assembly Minority Leader Peter Barca, D-Kenosha, said it has become clear during discussions about the deal that it's a "total plus across the spectrum."

"When you analyze it, if nothing happens other than this great arena getting built," he said, "the taxpayers still win."
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So far, no one has spoken in opposition to the public financing deal for the Bucks arena.

One after another, Dems and Republicans are standing in support, stressing it would cost the state much more if the team leaves and it would be a black eye for Milwaukee.

Rep. Dale Kooyenga, R-Brookfield, spoke to those in the Assembly who might oppose the deal because they don't believe the public should subsidize a professional sports arena. He said as a CPA, the numbers just make sense.

"We've reached a point where if we do nothing," Kooyenga said, "we subsidize them to leave."
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The Bucks financing deal has passed the Assembly on a 52-34 bipartisan vote.

Thirty-five Republicans and 17 Dems voted in favor, while 20 Republicans and 14 Dems voted against.
http://quorumcall.wispolitics.com/

Danzig 08-12-2015 04:30 PM

the only thing that struck me is that if you don't have money for education...but you have it to build an arena for rich people? just seems skewed priorities to me.
and it doesn't matter to me that it's a bipartisan deal (see gore vidal quote for why), but that it doesn't seem to make sense.


"It makes no difference who you vote for — the two parties are really one party representing four percent of the people."or, if you prefer his slightly longer take:

There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party … and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt — until recently … and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties.

or, finally:

“With modern technology it is the easiest of tasks for a media, guided by a narrow group of political manipulators, to speak constantly of democracy and freedom while urging regime changes everywhere on earth but at home. A curious condition of a republic based roughly on
the original Roman model is that it cannot allow true political parties to share in government. What then is a true political party: one that is based firmly in the interest of a class be it workers or fox hunters. Officially we have two parties which are in fact wings of a common
party of property with two right wings. Corporate wealth finances each. Since the property party controls every aspect of media they have had decades to create a false reality for a citizenry largely uneducated by public schools that teach conformity with an occasional advanced degree in consumerism.”
― Gore Vidal

OldDog 08-12-2015 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1039006)

Out Sports didn't look very hard for a comment. Or maybe if they had published it, the story might not have been picked up with as much furor by Vox, Advocate, HuffyPo...

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Floyd County Schools Superintendent Dr. Henry Webb, who only learned of Maldonado’s omission Wednesday morning, told USA TODAY High School Sports that the information his office has been able to determine indicates the omission was “sheer human error.”

“First off, the Floyd County School System holistically supports Dalton Maldonado just as we do all our students,” Webb said. “He is a great athlete and a great person. We are one of the only school districts in the country who put out a yearbook-style annual that covers every school in the system. That’s where this came up, and Dalton was featured in 15 photos throughout the book. We counted. He’s featured in the most spirited section and the school pride section and in multiple cases he’s pictured playing basketball, which makes sense because he was a great player for us. He was a very popular student, and we support him.

“After I learned of his omission this morning, I launched a full investigation. At this point, what I’ve been able to glean is that he was left out by sheer human error. There were other students left out of other activities as well, which happens in a district-wide publication like this. It’s unfortunate. If the investigation determines that the student was taken out of the section for some other reason, whoever is responsible will face swift and serious consequences.”
http://usatodayhss.com/2015/dalton-m...yearbook-photo

Danzig 08-12-2015 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 1039056)
Out Sports didn't look very hard for a comment. Or maybe if they had published it, the story might not have been picked up with as much furor by Vox, Advocate, HuffyPo...



http://usatodayhss.com/2015/dalton-m...yearbook-photo

good!

casp0555 08-19-2015 12:48 PM

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0QO1I520150819


"Under the deal, Fogle would serve between five and 12 years in prison, pay $1.4 million in restitution to 14 minor victims, register as a sex offender and meet other conditions."

never will look at a Subway the same again.......

Danzig 08-19-2015 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by casp0555 (Post 1040043)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0QO1I520150819


"Under the deal, Fogle would serve between five and 12 years in prison, pay $1.4 million in restitution to 14 minor victims, register as a sex offender and meet other conditions."

never will look at a Subway the same again.......

That jerk had the nerve to make a statement about being shocked when his buddy got busted. What a creep.

Worse than a creep...paying for sex with minors.

casp0555 08-19-2015 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1040050)
That jerk had the nerve to make a statement about being shocked when his buddy got busted. What a creep.

Worse than a creep...paying for sex with minors.

They must have had the dope on this POS and more for hime to plea for this deal...and yes, what a creep. I hope this doesnt affect Subway, they have a good product and it would be a shame for the franchise owners to take a hit for this criminal

somerfrost 08-19-2015 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by casp0555 (Post 1040091)
They must have had the dope on this POS and more for hime to plea for this deal...and yes, what a creep. I hope this doesnt affect Subway, they have a good product and it would be a shame for the franchise owners to take a hit for this criminal

I agree that the franchise owners shouldn't pay for his depravity...gotta wonder who does the background checks for the company though...

Danzig 08-19-2015 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by casp0555 (Post 1040091)
They must have had the dope on this POS and more for hime to plea for this deal...and yes, what a creep. I hope this doesnt affect Subway, they have a good product and it would be a shame for the franchise owners to take a hit for this criminal

I say no deal! Keep him locked up and away from kids for the rest of his life.
bastard.

somerfrost 08-19-2015 05:44 PM

Wonder if he offered folks a six inch or a foot long....sorry, couldn't resist the obvious!:rolleyes:

Danzig 08-19-2015 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 1040101)
Wonder if he offered folks a six inch or a foot long....sorry, couldn't resist the obvious!:rolleyes:


Oooooo...maybe too soon?


Nah, never too soon for a joke

OldDog 08-20-2015 05:00 PM

He and this guy could be cellmates
http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/cait...nt-1201574602/

Danzig 08-24-2015 10:14 AM

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...ton_state.html

casp0555 08-25-2015 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by casp0555 (Post 1040091)
They must have had the dope on this POS and more for hime to plea for this deal...and yes, what a creep. I hope this doesnt affect Subway, they have a good product and it would be a shame for the franchise owners to take a hit for this criminal

and I am not surprised at all.....add crook to the list

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0a40aa3ac0f2b

Danzig 08-25-2015 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by casp0555 (Post 1040911)
and I am not surprised at all.....add crook to the list

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0a40aa3ac0f2b

Who does he think he is, the red cross?

OldDog 08-26-2015 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1040817)

http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/24/if...-die-in-fires/

Danzig 08-26-2015 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 1040941)

http://happynicetimepeople.com/resea...m-yeah-right/#!

Everyone would like to think that the ability to get irony and sarcasm has something to do with being smart — it just makes sense, after all, that picking up on the subtle cues that a statement isn’t meant to be taken at face value has something to do with intelligence, or discernment, or something like that. And god knows when we don’t pick up on a sarcastic remark, we definitely feel dumb. While I suspect that there’s probably something to that, some recent research published in Frontiers in Psychology suggests that, in children at least, the ability to understand irony and sarcasm appears to be related to the child’s ability to empathize with others.

OldDog 08-26-2015 11:07 AM

So, slate was being sarcastic. Or you were. Got it.

Danzig 08-26-2015 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 1040946)
So, slate was being sarcastic. Or you were. Got it.

no, i think slate was pointing out the irony.
people say no government...and then they find out later how often they actually need part of it.
and then they say 'oh'

OldDog 08-26-2015 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1040955)
no, i think slate was pointing out the irony.
people say no government...and then they find out later how often they actually need part of it.
and then they say 'oh'

http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/24/if...-die-in-fires/

Danzig 08-26-2015 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 1040957)

did something change from that story you just linked above?

OldDog 08-26-2015 12:16 PM

"Irony," cries slate - where there is none. Because slate doesn't understand that limited government does not equal no government. Or maybe that was you.

Danzig 08-28-2015 08:05 PM

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/gay-coupl...ounty-kentucky


I really wish that these few clerks could explain why that one sin they don't like is what crosses the line.
but then....she can't judge someone getting married and divorced, and then coming to her to get married again. and again.
she's done it four times so far. yeah, those sincerely held beliefs are only so sincere.

Danzig 08-28-2015 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 1040959)
"Irony," cries slate - where there is none. Because slate doesn't understand that limited government does not equal no government. Or maybe that was you.

I'm sorry you didn't get it.
or maybe you didn't get to this part of the article?

To be clear, I understand that FreedomWorks has not literally called for the elimination of public fire departments. (If it did, it wouldn't be the first time that proposal has been made by a libertarian group or activist.) FreedomWorks has, however, opposed funding for federal disaster relief funding of the sort that Washington state has requested and received from FEMA to fight ongoing fires in the Okanogan area. FEMA also paid for more than $2 million in fire-related infrastructure repairs in Okanogan County in 2014


I'm all for smaller govt. there's a lot of bloat and waste.
but, quite often those who say 'I don't want no govt' are the first to complain if they don't show when things get tough..
just like people who complain about the aclu, and then wonder when the aclu will sue over something that hits them directly.

then there's 'we don't need to regulate banks' who caused the last economic, worldwide collapse in 08. but let's regulate the living sh!t out of abortion clinics...but no other medical clinics.
hey, maybe we can have another govt shutdown to harm the economy, but our esteemed congress will get paid?

as an aside, I saw something about politicians having to wear their donors names on their suits, just like nascar drivers. I love that idea.

bigrun 08-30-2015 05:15 PM

Sarah Palin & Donald Trump:tro:.The Dynamic Duo...what could go wrong here:zz:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oeju2SG7UMA

GenuineRisk 08-31-2015 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1041224)
I'm all for smaller govt. there's a lot of bloat and waste but, quite often those who say 'I don't want no govt' are the first to complain if they don't show when things get tough..
just like people who complain about the aclu, and then wonder when the aclu will sue over something that hits them directly.

then there's 'we don't need to regulate banks' who caused the last economic, worldwide collapse in 08. but let's regulate the living sh!t out of abortion clinics...but no other medical clinics.
hey, maybe we can have another govt shutdown to harm the economy, but our esteemed congress will get paid?

You need to understand- their objection to government handouts is that any of said handouts might go to "those people." Seriously, if the government would announce it was restricting welfare to Caucasians only, you'd see most of those folks do a 180 on how they felt about it. Heck, it's the only way Social Security was able to be passed initially; they worded everything so that basically whites were the only ones eligible. South wouldn't have voted for it otherwise.

Danzig 08-31-2015 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 1041747)
You need to understand- their objection to government handouts is that any of said handouts might go to "those people." Seriously, if the government would announce it was restricting welfare to Caucasians only, you'd see most of those folks do a 180 on how they felt about it. Heck, it's the only way Social Security was able to be passed initially; they worded everything so that basically whites were the only ones eligible. South wouldn't have voted for it otherwise.

holy crap, had no idea about that. i've not read history passed ww2, and that's been mostly history on the war itself, not domestic policies here at home.
i did some searching after reading your post. shocking stuff.
here's a book review--a book you've read maybe?

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/28/bo...ghts.html?_r=0

At the time, most blacks in the labor force were employed in agriculture or as domestic household workers. Members of Congress from the Deep South demanded that those occupations be excluded from the minimum wage, Social Security, unemployment insurance and workmen's compensation. When labor unions scored initial victories in organizing poor factory workers in the South after World War II, the Southern Congressional leaders spearheaded legislation to cripple those efforts. The Southerners' principal objective, Katznelson contends, was to safeguard the racist economic and social order known as the Southern "way of life."

GenuineRisk 08-31-2015 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1041752)
holy crap, had no idea about that. i've not read history passed ww2, and that's been mostly history on the war itself, not domestic policies here at home.
i did some searching after reading your post. shocking stuff.
here's a book review--a book you've read maybe?

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/28/bo...ghts.html?_r=0

At the time, most blacks in the labor force were employed in agriculture or as domestic household workers. Members of Congress from the Deep South demanded that those occupations be excluded from the minimum wage, Social Security, unemployment insurance and workmen's compensation. When labor unions scored initial victories in organizing poor factory workers in the South after World War II, the Southern Congressional leaders spearheaded legislation to cripple those efforts. The Southerners' principal objective, Katznelson contends, was to safeguard the racist economic and social order known as the Southern "way of life."

I haven't read that book, but I'm totally going to check it out now. Thanks for the link! Really depressing to read about how black veterans were cut out of the opportunities provided via the GI Bill, and what a sneaky way to do it- have state gov'ts administer them, rather than the federal. Ugh.

(I did a fair amount of reading on the history of Social Security thanks to an argument I had with a guy who was defending Ayn Rand's collection of Social Security. I actually don't see it as the massive act of hypocrisy it's accused of being, but I did disagree with the amounts of money he assumed she'd paid into it.)

Danzig 08-31-2015 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 1041762)
I haven't read that book, but I'm totally going to check it out now. Thanks for the link! Really depressing to read about how black veterans were cut out of the opportunities provided via the GI Bill, and what a sneaky way to do it- have state gov'ts administer them, rather than the federal. Ugh.

(I did a fair amount of reading on the history of Social Security thanks to an argument I had with a guy who was defending Ayn Rand's collection of Social Security. I actually don't see it as the massive act of hypocrisy it's accused of being, but I did disagree with the amounts of money he assumed she'd paid into it.)

it's appalling how veterans have been treated since day one in this country.
from shay's rebellion back when Washington was still around, to ww1 and and the 'bonus' army, to now when the wait for benefits can take well over a year. it's a disgrace.


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