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CSC 06-15-2010 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 658038)
Never let a fact get in the way of a good arguement!

Really though, St. Trinians is most likely the 2nd best female horse on the west coast. Maybe blind luck or her.. Its not an insult to say you beat St Trinians while giving 9 pounds (though Zen should be racing against males) She looked like a winner in the stretch and Zen ran her down in a thrilling fasion. St. Trinians' leg is scary though.. i thought she was going to start flying like a helicopter with that propeller.

About westcoasts Zardana statement though... Zardana isnt the same on poly as she is on dirt.. and to bring up the march 2010 race is just dumb considering it was off a 7 month layoff. Rachel beat Zardana by the same amount or more than Zen did two races back, didnt she? What does that mean? Absolutely nothing. (just proving that the Zardana argument is stupid)
St. Trinians ran the best race of her career and she had already ran some good ones since arriving in NA, I don't know how she can run better coming out of the Vanity, 99/100 that was a winning race and she would be a gr.1 winner today if not...

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-15-2010 08:45 AM
bested Zardana easily..this horse blew its wad beating rachal off the bench..id bet alot that would not happen now....

slotdirt 06-15-2010 10:07 AM
I like the latest comments from the most recent blog post for Zenyatta's cheerleader in chief, Jay Hovdey, on drf.com:

"I'm not going to go chasing Horse of the Year," Shirreffs told me. "Just being Zenyatta should be enough."

http://hovdeyblog.drf.com/hovdeyblog/

randallscott35 06-15-2010 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 658071)
I like the latest comments from the most recent blog post for Zenyatta's cheerleader in chief, Jay Hovdey, on drf.com:

"I'm not going to go chasing Horse of the Year," Shirreffs told me. "Just being Zenyatta should be enough."

http://hovdeyblog.drf.com/hovdeyblog/
Hovdey was standing there in the winners circle. No surprise.

slotdirt 06-15-2010 10:17 AM
I don't even know why he feigns objectivity anymore. The guy is a shill.

ateamstupid 06-15-2010 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 658071)
"I'm not going to go chasing Horse of the Year," Shirreffs told me. "Just being Zenyatta should be enough."
:rolleyes: *wanking motion*

slotdirt 06-15-2010 11:09 AM
That's like saying if Jack Nicholson appeared in Policy Academy 196, he should get an Oscar because he's Jack Nicholson.

Danzig 06-15-2010 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 658071)
I like the latest comments from the most recent blog post for Zenyatta's cheerleader in chief, Jay Hovdey, on drf.com:

"I'm not going to go chasing Horse of the Year," Shirreffs told me. "Just being Zenyatta should be enough."

http://hovdeyblog.drf.com/hovdeyblog/
Anyone still think she's coming to churchill? That doesn't make it look likely. She'll run a couple more restricted races to try and get 20-0 and depart the scene. What a shame.

CSC 06-15-2010 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 657778)
Why? What can happen in November?
Cannon,

It's one person's opinion but coming from Steve Davidowitz, you listen.

I believe for an absolute certainty that Zenyatta’s Vanity run reinforced the notion that she is the best race mare of my lifetime, if not one of the top horses of any age or sex since Secretariat, Affirmed, Seattle Slew, Ruffian and Spectacular Bid were dominating the 1970s.

Here's the entire read: http://beat.bodoglife.com/horseracin...ces-90865.html

geeker2 06-15-2010 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 658122)
Anyone still think she's coming to churchill? That doesn't make it look likely. She'll run a couple more restricted races to try and get 20-0 and depart the scene. What a shame.
Actually I think what it means is what they have always said - the goal is the BCC and that they will run and train with that as the end game.

DaTruth 06-15-2010 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by westcoastinvader (Post 658011)
It may not have seemed like much from a couple thousand miles away, but yesterday Zenyatta beat the horse that was the favorite in the 2010 Santa Anita Handicap.....
Using your reasoning, RA's Preakness win is more meaningful because she beat the Kentucky Derby favorite.

slotdirt 06-15-2010 12:57 PM
DIdn't the Kentucky Derby favorite also finish like 11th in that race?

Coach Pants 06-15-2010 12:57 PM
*looks for vomit emoticon*

DaTruth 06-15-2010 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 658140)
DIdn't the Kentucky Derby favorite also finish like 11th in that race?
Something like that. But don't let that stand in the way of the significance of a horse having been favored in a major race. If St Trinians had been only the morning-line fav for the Big Cap, would the zaniacs still bring it up?

DaTruth 06-15-2010 01:16 PM
I wonder if Anabaa's Creation had ever been favored in any major stakes events?

clyde 06-15-2010 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 658135)
Actually I think what it means is what they have always said - the goal is the BCC and that they will run and train with that as the end game.
Will you kindly stop this intelligence?

clyde 06-15-2010 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Merlinsky (Post 657879)
Thanksgiving, silly. Everything calms down when we stuff face with all that triptophan. I just hope nobody gets so full they loosen their belt or open their zipper. That opens up a whole new can of--nevermind.
And people wonder why I call her Lewinsky.

Indian Charlie 06-15-2010 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 658129)
Cannon,

It's one person's opinion but coming from Steve Davidowitz, you listen.

I believe for an absolute certainty that Zenyatta’s Vanity run reinforced the notion that she is the best race mare of my lifetime, if not one of the top horses of any age or sex since Secretariat, Affirmed, Seattle Slew, Ruffian and Spectacular Bid were dominating the 1970s.
Wow. What a tard. A complete and utter tard.

That's tardiness beyond even what you and Prostate Operator are capable of.

Antitrust32 06-15-2010 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 658140)
DIdn't the Kentucky Derby favorite also finish like 11th in that race?
And the Big Cap favorite finished 6th! St Trinians is a nice mare and probably 2nd best in the West (tho Blind Luck is good)... But by calling her the "big cap favorite St Trinians" is just insulting to people who have a functional brain.

"6th place Big Cap finisher St Trinians" could be a real statement... and sure she really was the favorite, and she ran 6th, so WTF does being the favorite mean? The betting public did a terrible job betting that race? I really cant believe Davidowitz used that in his article... but I guess I believe anything now-a-days.

Antitrust32 06-15-2010 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 658150)
Something like that. But don't let that stand in the way of the significance of a horse having been favored in a major race. If St Trinians had been only the morning-line fav for the Big Cap, would the zaniacs still bring it up?
of course. Zenyatta ran down the morning line favorite of the Big Cap, St Trinians.

Davidowitz article would have been better either not using that at all, or at least saying she ran 6th.

crinkle

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