Maybe it wasn't the greatest field of all time but it wasn't the worse either. As I pointed out many of these horses have had time off(injuries) and I also pointed out many have gone on to win Gr.1's. The someone had to win argument is an opinion I can only agree or disagree with, it was a blanket statement. From what I have read from Sightseek, she is a knowledgable poster. So the comment was a little dissapointing after I used some examples that last yrs Travers was not as bad as what is widely believed. Maybe I had hoped for a better explanation, we will just have to wait and see what Colonel John does the rest of the year, where I was wrong earlier in the year on his winning return on turf, hey even I can get it wrong now and then.

That's a loaded question, you asking me if I trust Asmussen? I read what was said by he and Jackson. Obviously it makes sense to add a Gr. 1 to Kensai's resume, it also makes sense to have RA run in the Woodward. From a business decision it was right on, to give RA the road of less resistance it is better also. Yes we agree.

If you look at it from a historical perspective, yes they won "big" races, but look at the horses who won those races before them:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.p...ld=view&id=288

Tale of Ekati and Harlem Rocker would have barely been on the screen if they were up against some of those horses. Macho Again lost to Bullsbay - the same Bullsbay who is probably one of the worst Whitney winners ever. Court Vision has burned more of my money than any horse who ever ran so I won't go there. :o My point was, the quality of the horses running in last years triple crown races and up to this year as older horses is markedly poor. While they may have won this race and that race, it doesn't make them any more talented.

We forgot to mention the wonderful Mambo In Seattle in this conversation. ;) Last year's Travers was exciting because it was the first in a long time where it wasn't either a super horse cantering to victory or a small field, but it wasn't that talented of a field.

Personally I don't like how Colonel John was campaigned from the Travers to his turf victory so seeing him win that last race was neat.

Comparing eras...that's a wide open discussion open to intrepetation, there are alot of mediocre races nowadays, I said earlier the days of campaigning a Cigar like horse are almost extinct, the better horses retire and are sent off to the farm. Which is a reason why we get horses beating each other now, this is probably what we have to look fwd to, if a horse is so good there is little chance of seeing them past their 3 yr old season, if we are lucky some run as a 4 yr old like Curlin, and even with him I can't say he was in the class of Cigar.

Colonel John may be Pacific Classic bound, if he wins that then what? He will have beaten Rail Trip and Informed. It probably won't get him a huge amount of respect but that's racing today. Thanks for the thoughtful response.

I'm afraid that Great Day of the Breeders Cup has drastically changed the face of of horse racing for the worst.

I'd agree that many of the good horses are not given a chance to show how good they really are due to abbreviated campaigns and early retirements (Bernardini, Hard Spun etc.), but I just think that the horses that ran last year have continued to show that they are more Grade 3 types winning Grade 1 races.

Bullsbay is now a go after they found no other good options. Cool Coal Man, It's a Bird, and Da Tara should be in as well. Maybe Smooth Air and/or Dry Martini? Past the Point? Tizway?

Macho Again Confirmed For Woodward

That's good news about Bullsbay, I still wish they threw her into the Travers' but I hope this doesn't turn out to be another Mother Goose.

I retract my statement:zz: :)

Funny considering just six days earlier:

http://www.dailygazette.com/weblogs/...less-woodward/

Law of Power #27a ENTER ACTION WITH BOLDNESS :rolleyes:
the weasel who attempts to manipulate others with advice from self help books should therefore...


thats the way to manage em'


Macho Again is interesting because he can actually get 10 furlongs and has enough talent to win a race like the derby trial(trail) run @ 7f. whatever that even means...

I think he could have been maybe a legit Grade 2 horse with a supertrainer

macho also leads the nation in corny headlines

"Macho Again Randy Savage Wins The Stephen Foster"
who even writes this stuff??


blood horse currently has a bad pun to announce the hemming and hawing of the connections:
"Macho, Again Confirmed For Woodward Try"
:rolleyes: was the comma really necessary?

[quote=freddymo]Giving Kensei a shot to win the second most important 3 year old race is reasonable. All the horses are going to duck her, now McLaughlin is looking for a home for his wanna be Handicap horse. The only reason Pletcher would even try and beat her with QR is because of the magnitude of the race. You think Pletcher wanted to try Munnings in Haskell?
BTW if he only paid 8 mil for Rachel he stole her. Ashado was 10mil and she couldn't have been within 10 lengths of Rachel on her best day.[/QUOTE]
Ashado was bought as a broodmare under far different conditions. Her value is immaterial because he wont sell her anyway.

While he said this it isnt actually true

He may have been Horse of the Year with an average trainer

[quote=Cannon Shell]Are you suggesting that 10 mil for a St B in foal to Indy (300k maybe?) isn't relative to a M'doro world class racing filly..What am I missing indy on top? lol

I forgot Curlin is in her future? Ok save reality for 1 second give me a fig she would sell for at Keeneland Mixed 10 in foal to Indy... 15 mil?

[quote=freddymo]Who would she sell to? There is no market at that level. Maybe in theory she is worth more but the reality is that only one guy plays at that level and he apparently wasnt interested at 8 million. She cant earn the money on the track, she cant collect any stud fees.

[quote=Cannon Shell][quote=freddymo]
Who would she sell to? There is no market at that level. Maybe in theory she is worth more but the reality is that only one guy plays at that level and he apparently wasnt interested at 8 million. She cant earn the money on the track, she cant collect any stud fees.

I understand the market is depressed.

It makes him worth significantly more than he is now though, wouldn't you say?

NT