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tector 05-08-2012 09:33 AM

A rare burst of sanity in this game--so I guess it is possible.

fpsoxfan 05-08-2012 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike (Post 859167)
This group of 3-year-olds appears even worse than the weak crops of 2011, 2010, and 2009, with the notable exception of Bodemeister, whose effort on Saturday was so good that the defeat didn’t even sting Baffert. “This is the only time I’ve run second where I’ve been happy because he ran his race,” the trainer said. “He’s a brilliant horse.”

Andrew Beyer in the main article on DRF right now.

I read the article. It's interesting, but his take on the this crop is not surprising. He doesn't take into account the trips some horses had. He didn't pick the winner, his pick got second, so the crop sucks! His rhetoric is really getting old.

RolloTomasi 05-08-2012 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan (Post 859273)
I read the article. It's interesting, but his take on the this crop is not surprising. He doesn't take into account the trips some horses had. He didn't pick the winner, his pick got second, so the crop sucks! His rhetoric is really getting old.

Isn't he probably basing his opinion on the crop's Beyer Figures throughout the winter and spring?

He was probably holding out passing judgment until Bodemeister got a chance to separate himself from the rest of the group.

3kings 05-08-2012 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 859276)
Isn't he probably basing his opinion on the crop's Beyer Figures throughout the winter and spring?

He was probably holding out passing judgment until Bodemeister got a chance to separate himself from the rest of the group.

That's how I took Beyer's comments. With the exception of Bodemeister it seems like a very low total of 100 Beyers even compaired to recent crops.

slotdirt 05-08-2012 10:43 AM

Five horses with 100+ Beyers at a mile plus as 3YO's coming into the Derby: Bodemeister (x3), Creative Cause, I'll Have Another, Daddy Nose Best, and El Padrino. That's better than the 2011 Derby preps at least.

RolloTomasi 05-08-2012 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 859281)
Five horses with 100+ Beyers at a mile plus as 3YO's coming into the Derby: Bodemeister (x3), Creative Cause, I'll Have Another, Daddy Nose Best, and El Padrino. That's better than the 2011 Derby preps at least.

I'll Have Another did not break have a triple digit Beyer.

slotdirt 05-08-2012 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 859284)
I'll Have Another did not break have a triple digit Beyer.

Good point. His 101 was from the Derby.

Indian Charlie 05-08-2012 12:21 PM

There are parallels between this crop and the Big Brown crop, with Bode being Big Brown and the rest of the crop being dreadful.


I'm not sure I'm ready to believe that entirely just yet though.

fpsoxfan 05-08-2012 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 859296)
There are parallels between this crop and the Big Brown crop, with Bode being Big Brown and the rest of the crop being dreadful.


I'm not sure I'm ready to believe that entirely just yet though.

That's pretty much the way I feel. When it's all over, Beyer may be right, but leading up to the Derby I didn't hear anyone say this was a weak crop. The Derby, albeit the biggest 3 year old race of the year is only one race of many more good ones to come.

pmayjr 05-08-2012 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 859296)
There are parallels between this crop and the Big Brown crop, with Bode being Big Brown and the rest of the crop being dreadful.


I'm not sure I'm ready to believe that entirely just yet though.

If I'll Have Another runs a competitive 2nd or 3rd to Bode in the Preakness (yeah... I'm already giving Bode the Preakness), I think this crop has some depth to it. Creative Cause if not so wide and close up could have something to say in the Preakness. I think this crop has some depth to it. But Bode is a freak.

Kasept 05-08-2012 01:43 PM

I’ll Have Another, Bodemeister (second), Dullahan (third), Went the Day Well (fouth), and Creative Cause (fifth) qualified for automatic Preakness starts by earning a check in the Derby. Hansen and Liaison round out the top seven. In the second tier of the Preakness qualifying system, which is based on open-stakes earnings, Isn't He Clever, Optimizer, Hierro, and Teeth of the Dog are currently sitting eighth through 11th. In the third tier, which is based on total earnings, Pretension, Tiger Walk, and Paynter round out the 14 available spots as of Tuesday. Zetterholm, Cozzetti, Guyana Star Dweej and Brimstone Island (in order listed) are on the also-eligible list in which two spots will be available at entry time.

Read more: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...#ixzz1uIynhKSH

declansharbor 05-08-2012 01:49 PM

Came acrossed this on twitter. Just had to share it. It HAS TO BE a joke, right?

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles...-for-preakness :zz::zz:

Indian Charlie 05-08-2012 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 859323)
Came acrossed this on twitter. Just had to share it. It HAS TO BE a joke, right?

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles...-for-preakness :zz::zz:

That article called Bodemeister a sprinter.

declansharbor 05-08-2012 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 859325)
That article called Bodemeister a sprinter.

Im still struggling with whether or not the guy is serious or not. I feel bad for the guy if he honestly thinks that the Derby has shown thatTrinniberg can hang with Bodemeister. One can sustain and one wilts.

hockey2315 05-08-2012 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 859326)
Im still struggling with whether or not the guy is serious or not. I feel bad for the guy if he honestly thinks that the Derby has shown thatTrinniberg can hang with Bodemeister. One can sustain and one wilts.

Anyone can write a story for Bleacher Report, so it's not like this is a professional journalist. . . Just an idiot.

declansharbor 05-08-2012 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 859327)
Anyone can write a story for Bleacher Report, so it's not like this is a professional journalist. . . Just an idiot.

Okay good. Never heard of Bleacher Report so I was actually going to look into it when i get home, but now no need. Thanks.

pointman 05-08-2012 02:11 PM

I know that things can change on a whim, but is Trinniberg even under consideration for the Preakness at this point?

hockey2315 05-08-2012 02:15 PM

I don't think he ever has been.

Revidere 05-08-2012 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pointman (Post 859329)
I know that things can change on a whim, but is Trinniberg even under consideration for the Preakness at this point?

I thought I read he was being pointed for the Woody Stephens. (Or is it the Riva Ridge?)

Indian Charlie 05-08-2012 02:41 PM

I thought he was under consideration for the Derby Trial.

Danzig 05-08-2012 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 859323)
Came acrossed this on twitter. Just had to share it. It HAS TO BE a joke, right?

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles...-for-preakness :zz::zz:

andrew is a moron. proves that anyone with a laptop can 'write' articles.
i didn't realize finishing so far back you're in another zip was a 'good showing'.

slotdirt 05-08-2012 03:46 PM

I liked this Twitter response particularly:

Josh Dutzy ‏ @JoshD3173
@AKonSports you wrote the worst horse racing article I have ever read, that is all.

TouchOfGrey 05-08-2012 07:31 PM

Preakness 2012: Trinniberg will run if Bodemeister doesn’t

:zz: :zz:

Danzig 05-08-2012 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TouchOfGrey (Post 859368)

so, they want to have the ability to run first before spitting the bit instead of second? morons.
and a few weeks back he was getting kudos for being smart; turns out he was dumb after all.

tywizard 05-09-2012 01:22 PM

Union Rags skipping Preakness and pointing to Belmont according to twitter.

Mike 05-09-2012 04:36 PM

Interesting tidbit from Jerardi of DRF:

As to this Derby, I am now convinced that, unless your horse has top-end speed, you really want to be in the auxiliary gate. Since 1995, in races with 16 or more horses, the second gate has produced eight winners or exactly 50 percent.

Kasept 05-11-2012 12:44 PM

Current Preakness Field
 
1. Bodemeister B. Baffert M. Smith Kentucky Derby, 2nd
2. Brimstone Island (W. Campbell/X. Perez)
3. Cozzetti (D. Romans/J. Lezcano)
4. Creative Cause (M. Harrington/J. Rosario)
5. Hierro (S. Asmussen/J. Leparoux)
6. I'll Have Another (D. O'Neill/M. Gutierrez)
7. Liaison (B. Baffert/M. Garcia)
8. Optimizer (D. Lukas/C. Nakatani)
9. Teeth of the Dog (M. Matz/J. Bravo)
10. Tiger Walk (I. Correas/K. Desormeaux)
11. Went The Day Well (G. Motion/J. Velazquez)
12. Zetterholm (R. Dutrow/J. Alvarado)
13. Pretension (C. Grove/J. Santiago) -- Unlikely
14. Guyana Star Dweej (D. Shivmangal/TBA)

parsixfarms 05-11-2012 01:27 PM

If Guyana Star Dweej runs, hopefully, he'll draw next to Went the Day Well.

Kasept 05-12-2012 02:29 PM

I’LL HAVE ANOTHER GIVING TRAINER CONFIDENCE; TEETH OF THE DOG WORKS FOR PREAKNESS

BALTIMORE– 05-12-12 – On a sunny Saturday morning at Pimlico Race Course, trainer Doug O’Neill was very enthusiastic about Kentucky Derby winner I’ll Have Another’s chances of winning the Middle Jewel of the Triple Crown.

“I’m just very pumped the way our colt is settling in and training,” O’Neill said. “I really look for him to repeat in the Preakness.”

Under exercise rider Jonny Garcia, Reddam Racing’s Derby winner turned in an enthusiastic gallop when the track reopened at 8:30 a.m. following the renovation break. I’ll Have Another skipped over the Pimlico surface for the third morning since he resumed galloping.

“He had great energy today and his normal long, beautiful stride,” O’Neill said. “We’re very happy with the way things are going.”

After the gallop, O’Neill and his staff schooled I’ll Have Another in Pimlico’s indoor paddock. O’Neill said he liked the way the colt acted in that space and will take him there before the Preakness.

“The game plan now will be to saddle downstairs there and then go out on the turf course where they do the ‘riders up,’” O’Neill said. “I like it breaking up the monotony a little bit and we saddle these guys in stalls seven days a week. I just don’t want to saddle him in the wide-open if we don’t have to. They offered that opportunity to saddle in the stalls. I’d like to keep that consistent.”

I’ll Have Another’s chestnut coat glowed in the bright sun like a new penny and O’Neill said that he likes everything about what the colt is showing him at the midpoint between the Derby and the Preakness.

“He came out of the Derby in incredible shape, so he has been able to maintain his energy, his appetite,” O’Neill said. “He’s a phenomenal horse, obviously. You don’t win the Derby unless you are a phenomenal horse. The way he has settled in here and continued his energy is incredible. Today after schooling he was bucking and playing going back home. He looks and feels as good as he ever has.”

O’Neill and his staff are enjoying their time in Baltimore and are taking advantage of the opportunities that have come their way. Following training hours Saturday, the group ran in the Preakness 5K. O’Neill’s high-profile, multi-millionaire stable pony, Lava Man, also participated, serving as Grand Marshall while leading the field of runners in the first leg of the race around the Pimlico racetrack.

Team O’Neill shipped I’ll Have Another from Churchill Downs to Pimlico two days after his Derby victory and the veteran trainer said that Barn D at Pimlico has a laid-back atmosphere similar to his stable in California.

“It’s pretty quiet at Hollywood Park; Churchill was kind of a zoo,” O’Neill said. “Right now it almost feels like we’re at a training center, it’s such a quiet, nice environment. I think it’s been a huge help, after the chaotic Derby week, to have a nice, mellow few days here. I’m sure it will get going pretty hot and heavy next week, but to have this little breather has been beautiful.”

O’Neill said I’ll Have Another is “a happy camper,” and is pleased he decided to break the form of recent Derby-winning trainers and ship to Pimlico as early as possible.

“No matter what happens, I feel 100 percent certain that we made the right call,” O’Neill said. “The track is in great shape. Everything is ready for us here. We show up here and there are breakfast burritos and coffee. They are treating us like kings here. It’s been awesome for the team and awesome for the horses.”



TEETH OF THE DOG – J.W. Singer LLC’s Teeth of the Dog breezed five furlongs in 1:01 under exercise rider Paul Madden Saturday morning at Fair Hill Training Center.

“He worked real well and galloped out real good. We’re all set for next Saturday,” said trainer Michael Matz, who had entered Teeth of the Dog in Saturday’s Peter Pan (G2) at Belmont Park but scratched when assured that the son of Bluegrass Cat would qualify for the 14-horse Preakness field.

Joe Bravo, who guided Teeth of the Dog to a maiden victory at Gulfstream and a third-place finish in the Wood Memorial (G1) at Aqueduct, has the Preakness mount.

ZETTERHOLM – Winter Park Partners’ Silver Train colt boarded a van bound for Pimlico after his morning exercise at Aqueduct Saturday.

Trainer Richard Dutrow Jr., who sent the New York-bred colt to the track for a once-around gallop, said Zetterholm is scheduled to work six furlongs at 8:30 a.m. Sunday at Pimlico. The colt was entered in the Peter Pan (G2) Saturday at Belmont Park but was scratched in favor of the Preakness.

Dutrow said that the colt’s regular jockey, Junior Alvarado, will ride the colt in the 137th Preakness Stakes.

“We’re ready to roll,” Dutrow said.

Zetterholm, winner of three consecutive races, will be Dutrow’s third Preakness horse . He won his debut with Kentucky Derby winner Big Brown in 2008 and Yawanna Twist was fourth in 2010.

BODEMEISTER/LIAISON – Zayat Stables LLC and Michel and Tiffany Moreno’s Bodemeister, runner-up to I’ll Have Another in last Saturday’s Kentucky Derby (G1), visited the starting gate and then galloped 1 ½ miles under exercise rider George Alvarez on a mild Saturday morning at Churchill Downs.

The Bob Baffert trainee had his exercise following the 8 o’clock renovation break for track maintenance.

Arnold Zetcher’s Liaison, sixth in the Kentucky Derby, galloped 1 ½ miles under Alvarez before the morning break.

Baffert is expected to be at Churchill Downs on Monday morning. The Preakness status of both colts will not be determined until Baffert arrives.

After Bodemeister completed his morning activity, Peachtree Stable’s Mamma Kimbo, undefeated in two starts and winner of the Fantasy (G2) in her most recent outing, worked a bullet five furlongs in :59.60 in preparation for an anticipated start in Friday’s Black-Eyed Susan (G2).

With jockey Shaun Bridgmohan up and working over a fast track, Mamma Kimbo produced fractions of :12, :23.80, :35.40, :47.60 and galloped out in 1:12.60. Of the 17 works at the distance, the next fastest clocking of the morning was 1:01.80.

“Bob said he wanted 59 and change and out in 1:12 and change and that’s what we got,” said Jim Barnes, assistant to Baffert. “That’s her.”

COZZETTI – The Albaugh Family Stables LLC’s Cozzetti galloped 1 ½ miles at Churchill Downs under exercise rider Romero Cordache.

Fourth in the Arkansas Derby (G1) in his most recent start, Cozzetti is scheduled to work Sunday for trainer Dale Romans. It would be Cozzetti’s third work since the Arkansas Derby.

“He’s a nice horse but he needs to step up and run like he trains,” said Romans, who won the Preakness last year with Shackleford.

Jose Lezcano, who has been aboard for Cozzetti’s past two starts, has the call in the Preakness.

TIGER WALK – Sagamore Farm’s Tiger Walk galloped 1 3/8 miles at Kevin Plank’s historic Glyndon, Md. Farm Saturday morning.

Trainer Ignacio Correas will ship the son of Tale of the Cat to Pimlico Sunday morning for a workout at 8:30 following the renovation break.

“Most likely, he’ll go an easy half,” said Correas, whose colt will be ridden by Horacio Karamanos in the breeze. “I might change my mind before now and then, but that’s what I’m looking for.”

Kent Desormeaux, who dominated the Maryland circuit during the late 1980s, will ride Tiger Walk for the first time in the Preakness.

HIERRO/ISN’T HE CLEVER – Trainer Steve Asmussen’s two potential Preakness entrants, Stonestreet Stables’ Hierro and J. Kirk and Judy Robison’s Isn’t He Clever, galloped at Churchill Downs Saturday.
Exercise rider Carlos Rosas was aboard both horses.

Kirk Robison said from El Paso, Texas Saturday morning that a decision on Isn’t He Clever will not be made until after the gelding works Monday morning at Churchill Downs.

“There are a couple of factors in the decision,” Robison said. “Steve wants to see how he works on Monday and we’ll talk about the field. The key thing is we want to put the horse where he belongs.”

Isn’t He Clever, who finished second in the Sunland Derby (G3) before finishing eighth in the Arkansas Derby (G1), has been in Asmussen’s care for four weeks since the race at Oaklawn Park. Prior to that, Isn’t He Clever was trained by Henry Dominguez.

Monday’s scheduled work will be the fourth at Churchill Downs for Isn’t He Clever.

Robison was not tipping his hand about a possible trip to Pimlico next weekend.

“I can get there if I need to be,” Robison said with a laugh.

WENT THE DAY WELL – Team Valor International and Mark Ford’s Went the Day Well was galloped a mile under exercise rider Zeke Castro at Fair Hill Training Center Saturday morning.

Trained by Graham Motion, the fourth-place Kentucky Derby finisher is expected to ship to Pimlico from the Elkton, Md. farm early next week.

John Velazquez will have the return mount aboard the son of Proud Citizen.

CREATIVE CAUSE – Heinz Steinmann’s colt jogged a mile and galloped a mile Saturday morning at Hollywood Park and remains a candidate for the Preakness Stakes.

Trainer Mike Harrington said that the multiple graded-stakes winner and fifth-place finisher in the Kentucky Derby was doing well training at his home base in California.

HANSEN – Dr. Kendall Hansen and Skychai Racing’s Hansen galloped Saturday morning at the Trackside Training Center under exercise rider Joel Barrientos for trainer Mike Maker.

Ninth in the Kentucky Derby, the 2-year-old champion of 2011 remains a possible candidate for the Preakness with a decision expected Monday or Tuesday.

OPTIMIZER – Five-time Preakness winning trainer D. Wayne Lukas sent Bluegrass Hall’s Optimizer to the track as it opened at 6 o’clock for a 1 ½-mile gallop under exercise rider Joel Cano.

Eleventh in the Kentucky Derby, Optimizer will be ridden in the Preakness by Corey Nakatani.

Lukas said Optimizer may work before he vans to Pimlico on Tuesday. Rain is forecast for the Louisville area beginning Saturday night and continuing through the day Sunday.

Lukas did work Bluegrass Hall’s Colonial Empress, a candidate for Friday’s Black-Eyed Susan (G2), a half-mile in :47.80 Saturday morning, the second fastest of 53 works at the distance.

PRETENSION – Kidwells Petite Stable’s Pretension galloped 1 ½ miles at Bowie Training Center Friday morning.

Trainer Chris Grove reported Pretension’s Preakness status has yet to be determined but that he is training the Canonero II Stakes winner as though he will run in the Middle Jewel of the Triple Crown.

NTamm1215 05-12-2012 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 860373)
OPTIMIZER – Five-time Preakness winning trainer D. Wayne Lukas sent Bluegrass Hall’s Optimizer to the track as it opened at 6 o’clock for a 1 ½-mile gallop under exercise rider Joel Cano.

Eleventh in the Kentucky Derby, Optimizer will be ridden in the Preakness by Corey Nakatani.

Lukas said Optimizer may work before he vans to Pimlico on Tuesday. Rain is forecast for the Louisville area beginning Saturday night and continuing through the day Sunday.

Lukas did work Bluegrass Hall’s Colonial Empress, a candidate for Friday’s Black-Eyed Susan (G2), a half-mile in :47.80 Saturday morning, the second fastest of 53 works at the distance.

Oh my God. His abuse of that horse is endless.

Kasept 05-14-2012 10:00 AM

Hansen, as Vol Jack told you last week, officially a 'no' for Preakness..

Kasept 05-14-2012 10:03 AM

1. I'll Have Another (D. O'Neill/M. Gutierrez)
2. Bodemeister (B. Baffert/M. Smith)
3. Went The Day Well (G. Motion/J. Velazquez)
4. Creative Cause (M. Harrington/J. Rosario)
5. Liaison (B. Baffert/M. Garcia)
6. Optimizer (D. Lukas/C. Nakatani)
7. Daddy Nose Best (Asmussen/Gomez) -- Possible
8. Cozzetti (D. Romans/J. Lezcano)
9. Teeth of the Dog (M. Matz/J. Bravo)
10. Tiger Walk (I. Correas/K. Desormeaux)
11. Zetterholm (R. Dutrow/J. Alvarado)
12. Pretension (C. Grove/J. Santiago) -- Uncertain
13. Guyana Star Dweej (D. Shivmangal/TBA)

NTamm1215 05-14-2012 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 860802)
Hansen, as Vol Jack told you last week, officially a 'no' for Preakness..

And going to what is rapidly becoming an awesome Woody Stephens on Belmont day.

RolloTomasi 05-14-2012 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 860805)
And going to what is rapidly becoming an awesome Woody Stephens on Belmont day.

They need to add Mark Valeski to that mix.

Alan07 05-14-2012 11:22 AM

Hierro and Isn't He Clever also out of Preakness.

Kasept 05-14-2012 01:31 PM

Daddy Nose Best now a possibility..

Danzig 05-14-2012 01:34 PM

i wonder if liason will like pimlico?? :D

Danzig 05-14-2012 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 860839)
Daddy Nose Best now a possibility..

but does steve assmussen?

Kasept 05-14-2012 01:48 PM

And Brimstone Island bows out; Still to come is a Pretension decision.


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