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GBBob 08-27-2010 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 688486)
I laughed.

I second that..wtf

SCUDSBROTHER 08-28-2010 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 687938)
That's never been the way it's been presented here, and you know it full well. Islam has been presented as Muslims are inherently violent, all of them (even the "tame" ones, and yes I know Scuds wrote that and not you), and this bastardized, half-azzed "understanding of Islam" that's been presented on this board somehow "proves it", and it's only a matter of time until all of Islam rises up.

Nobody is discussing Al Quaeda here. Nobody has started out the multiple conversations about Muslims (same ones over the past couple of years) with, "Oh, let's examine how an evil small terrorist subsect is subverting an entire religion". They are discussing "Muslims". The threat of an entire religion against this country. That is the starting point, not a conclusion drawn by any intelligent examination.

Absurd. Bigoted. Racist. Fear-mongering. Nonsensical.

Look who they like to follow. He was a butcher. Right in front of him, he had the heads of 600-900 men hacked off. They had surrendered to him. That's the message of Islam (butcher.) Nothing a liar like you says is gunna change this. You can't make Islam into something that respects all people. He set it up as join, or get owned by Moslems. None of your filthy disgusting lies is gunna mislead anyone for very long. The Liberals start with a premise that all religions are safe for society, and they're wrong. This religion is out to dominate all members of society. This is how it was set up. Your lies won't ever change that. Your attitude is exactly why Europe is having so much trouble with Moslems. They started out with your thinking, and they deserve the trouble they know have. Huge pockets of Moslems that refuse to learn the language, or assimilate at all. Huge ghettos of Moslems surviving on non-Moslem people's tax money. I want you people to look at Europe, and see if that's what you want. The violent Moslems are not distorting their religious leader's teachings at all. See, that's a lie that this Riot Witch has been telling from day one. They are following what he said to do. She doesn't like that, but, folks, that is the truth.

Riot 08-28-2010 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER (Post 688714)
Look who they like to follow. He was a butcher. Right in front of him, he had the heads of 600-900 men hacked off. They had surrendered to him. That's the message of Islam (butcher.) Nothing a liar like you says is gunna change this. You can't make Islam into something that respects all people. He set it up as join, or get owned by Moslems. None of your filthy disgusting lies is gunna mislead anyone for very long. The Liberals start with a premise that all religions are safe for society, and they're wrong. This religion is out to dominate all members of society. This is how it was set up. Your lies won't ever change that. Your attitude is exactly why Europe is having so much trouble with Moslems. They started out with your thinking, and they deserve the trouble they know have. Huge pockets of Moslems that refuse to learn the language, or assimilate at all. Huge ghettos of Moslems surviving on non-Moslem people's tax money. I want you people to look at Europe, and see if that's what you want. The violent Moslems are not distorting their religious leader's teachings at all. See, that's a lie that this Riot Witch has been telling from day one. They are following what he said to do. She doesn't like that, but, folks, that is the truth.

Bigotry and racism is ugly to anyone that gets in their way, and you prove it.

Riot 08-28-2010 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 688561)
Then why are most of the terroristic types well educated and from well off families?

We were not talking about terrorists.

timmgirvan 08-28-2010 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 689026)
Bigotry and racism is ugly to anyone that gets in their way, and you prove it.

No..you're wrong,Riot! If you could get past all the "PC fluff", you'd see that
Scuds(dangerous alliance I know) is spot on about the scourge of Sharia law proponents. They do what they to cause anarchy, and try to gain power to overthrow or subvert the countries in which they live.

You can't say that the Q'uran didn't mean what's written on its pages. Evidence of the believers actions is all over the world. Study any part of the events unfolding, and you can't miss the probable outcome.

SCUDSBROTHER 08-30-2010 07:40 AM

Timm's lil quote:

"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal distribution of blessing. The inherent vice of socialism
is the equal distribution of misery"
Winston Churchill

I won't take as much issue with the 2nd sentence (not as far off as the 1st sentence is.) He's wrong about Capitalism. Capitalism always forces a lot of people to be very poorly paid in order for a very few to be very rich. There is a connection between the two factors. We've struggled to get to this form of Capitalism that he's describing. It's never just a case of not getting ones fair share of the goodies. It's always a case of some having to eat rats so the very few can eat steak.

SCUDSBROTHER 08-30-2010 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 689026)
Bigotry and racism is ugly to anyone that gets in their way, and you prove it.

Eat your Moslem Pies.

SCUDSBROTHER 08-31-2010 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 689026)
Bigotry and racism is ugly to anyone that gets in their way, and you prove it.

Well, you're free to call me what you want, but I think you should be rather Reagan-Like (trust but verify) when it comes to trusting these folks. You know, not too long ago, I told people on here it's stupid to trust Turkey to do anything. People thought I was doing it for the same reasons you just repeated. What happened? They used the problems in Gaza as an excuse to stop being "friends" with Israel. Then, they started kissin' Iran's behind, and voted (in the U.N.) against sanctions that would have punished Iran (for being Rogue Nuclear.) Now, why did I think they'd be 2 faced? Well, you know that base thing they build houses on? A foundation? I know that they're working on a different foundation. I respect that difference.

SCUDSBROTHER 09-01-2010 07:53 PM

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtri...0845_09_01.asp

Overplayed his hand. Turkish Military sizing him up.

Cannon Shell 09-02-2010 06:53 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/02/sp...r=3&ref=sports

go to work Scuds

SCUDSBROTHER 09-02-2010 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 691124)

Par....As you can see, what they hate the most is talking about it. The Gov't makes sure they aren't directly responsible for stuff like this, but they indirectly manipulate people to do what they want them to do.

SCUDSBROTHER 09-02-2010 07:50 AM

Ya know how the "moderate " Islamists have stayed in power? It isn't that they've really been dominant in the big cities. They drive trucks (full of household appliances) out to the countryside, and give it away (in the months before elections.) I mean, according to the drunk guy, Ataturk (who set the country up as secular) the military really should have acted already. They should of hung this guy by now. They're the ones responsible for keeping the country secular. Erdogan must have quite a powerful "state police" on his side. Evidently, it would be ugly. If it was gunna be real easy, the military would already have taken over.


Funny thing about that country is they seem to have some sort of inability to learn English very well. My lil roundheaded Turk Brotha didn't even finish Turkish High School, but he is probably one of the top English speakers in that country. I mean, they really suck at it. Look at Obama trying to make out what these handpicked college students were asking him:

Look at 5:14. Oba has no clue wtf this guy said. Asked him twice, and he butchered it the same way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj2ha...eature=related

The girl at 0:56 is also brutally butchering it. They aren't that close to getting it right. "To my opinion, firstly, the peace should be in nature."..... Ain't close, honey. See, that's why my singer gets money under the table from a High School English Teacher in Ankara. They just can't do it. He has to translate stuff for her. She's inept. It's almost impossible for them to get it.

SCUDSBROTHER 09-02-2010 03:10 PM

I think he said something like " When you wrote Peace at home, Peace at the World, to the notebook in Ataturk's Mausoleum." If that's not it, then I can't solve the puzzle. It's not that easy. An English speaker has about a 1 in a 1000 chance at figuring out his pronunciation of mausoleum.

SCUDSBROTHER 09-03-2010 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 691124)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O73qY...ayer_embedded#!

LOL..He didn't want to see that? Well, he tried to make adultery illegal. Guess it's more of the same. Den Mother says all her girls are professionals.

joeydb 09-03-2010 08:08 AM


GBBob 09-03-2010 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 691617)

lol..yeah..right:rolleyes:

Coach Pants 09-03-2010 08:22 AM

It's a coin flip when you compare the first 20 months of both.

SCUDSBROTHER 09-07-2010 12:03 AM

http://omg.yahoo.com/videos/u2-meet-...rkish-pm/11791

Bono really say he wants that guy to reform his taste? Wow. LOL...Don't think Mr. Abba Zaba is gunna be up for that. See how uncomfortable that last photo was?

Antitrust32 09-07-2010 12:28 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/07/flo...ex.html?hpt=T2

I like being consistent... and this crap is fucl<ing stupid.

If they really go through with buring the Quran.. I hope that the church catches fire in the process and the Pastor is trapped inside.

If one additional American Troop in the middle east dies because of this, the Pastor should get life in prison.

I know its 1st amendment rights like Riot likes to preach about (if she is consistent she will have no problem with the Quran burning).. but this is insensitive and stupid;

Coach Pants 09-07-2010 12:31 PM

Life in prison? Your views are similar to most of the Middle East if that is the case.

Antitrust32 09-07-2010 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 693268)
Life in prison? Your views are similar to most of the Middle East if that is the case.

actually if it causes American troops to be killed and sets back any type of progress, then i hope he dies.

I'm all for the death penalty for killers.

Coach Pants 09-07-2010 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 693270)
actually if it causes American troops to be killed and sets back any type of progress, then i hope he dies.

I'm all for the death penalty for killers.

Like he's responsible for the actions of radical Muslims.

That's crazy talk. You are justifying their hatred with this bulls.hit.

Antitrust32 09-07-2010 12:42 PM

almost as ridiculous is the media in this country giving this fool the time of day. he should be ignored and nothing written about it.

I'm only 30 mins from Gville.. I should go egg this church sometime.

our Troops safety is a millions times more important than his supposed message.

Coach Pants 09-07-2010 12:44 PM

Our freedom of speech is more important than the troops.

I'm sick of hearing about the troops. If people really supported the troops then they would be out in the streets protesting ever f.ucking day for them to come home.

It's self-serving horses.hit. Spare me.

Antitrust32 09-07-2010 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 693271)
Like he's responsible for the actions of radical Muslims.

That's crazy talk. You are justifying their hatred with this bulls.hit.

he's a selfish moron who's putting our troops lives in danger.

he's up there with Fred Phelps... who this world is also better off without.

Coach Pants 09-07-2010 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 693274)
he's a selfish moron who's putting our troops lives in danger.

he's up there with Fred Phelps... who this world is also better off without.

He's no different than any member of congress and the president. And they are making way more off the blood of soldiers than he is.

Focus your energy on them instead of some yokel pastor.

Antitrust32 09-07-2010 12:57 PM

I have a lot of energy focused on not being able to stand congress and the president already.

Reading this crap article this morning really pissed me off.

It wouldnt bother me so much if there was absolutely no media coverage and these guys just burned some books in their backyard and nobody reported it. They dont give a fucl< about their "message".. its all about 15 minutes of fame. I live around all these Christian morons "do as I say, not as I do" folks in the bible belt.

It shouldnt be considered freedom of speech if it puts people in harms way.

He's a fucl<ing loser who deserves anything bad that comes his way over this.

SCUDSBROTHER 09-07-2010 03:21 PM

Should get the troops away from this trash, and put them to work keeping this scum out of our own country. You can't easily change people, but you can keep them from getting to where they can do damage. Let Muslims kill Muslims. No innocent parties involved there. If you follow a butcher, you can't be shocked that your fellow worshippers eventually want to cut on you.
Even when the American Muslims (of course, super-tame) are asked about whether Hamas is a terrorist group, they shy away. Shows me they accept terrorism if they think it helps their fellow Muslims. The "religion " was started by someone who believed in terrorizing people into joining his hate group. Can't be shocked that his followers are so reluctant to disagree with the parts of the Quran that encourage terrorism. It's so much easier to deny he meant what he said, and say he's misunderstood. Mo just had a couple bad days.

miraja2 09-07-2010 06:23 PM

I find the Koran-burning pastor issue fascinating because it doesn't neatly divide people into their usual ideological camps.

You have people on the right who support him because they vehemently oppose the mosque in NYC specifically and Islam in general. But you have other people on the right who oppose him because Petraeus (and others) say it jeopardizes troop safety.

Then on the left, you have those that oppose him because they see it as just more right-wing, anti-Islam nonsense. But you also have those on the left that support him because they don't particularly enjoy the military telling people when it is okay for people to exercise their rights.

Interesting issue.

GBBob 09-07-2010 07:18 PM

If you can support the right to build the Mosque, I'm not sure how you can oppose his right to burn Quarans. Freedoms are freedoms, whether you believe they are right or not.

Danzig 09-07-2010 07:51 PM

sure, he has a right to do this. i'd rather he burned a bunch of copies of james joyces ulysses, but that's just me.
seriously, i find anyone burning books to be ridiculous-but they have a right to do so-just like those dipshits who protest at servicemens funerals have the right to trample on our flag. it's to cause a reaction, looks like it's working.

GBBob 09-07-2010 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 693375)
sure, he has a right to do this. i'd rather he burned a bunch of copies of james joyces ulysses, but that's just me.
seriously, i find anyone burning books to be ridiculous-but they have a right to do so-just like those dipshits who protest at servicemens funerals have the right to trample on our flag. it's to cause a reaction, looks like it's working.

It's all Constitution based...as long as certain groups want to interpret it literally despite the fact it was written when no one could imagine what the World would be like now, then they better accept it when it doesn't happen to line up with their beliefs..quid pro quo

Danzig 09-07-2010 08:20 PM

everyone seems to have a problem with some part of the constitution-it's why i'm glad they made it difficult to change. it's not supposed to change on a whim; or because a group finds part of it unpopular when their opponent is supported by it! it's just as important now as it was then to protect everyone's rights, not just some. after all, just about every one of us is a member of a group that has been hassled for one reason or another at some point in history. you don't have to be popular to keep your rights.

johnny pinwheel 09-07-2010 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 693273)
Our freedom of speech is more important than the troops.

I'm sick of hearing about the troops. If people really supported the troops then they would be out in the streets protesting ever f.ucking day for them to come home.

It's self-serving horses.hit. Spare me.

amen. why are they over there anyway. war on drugs...war on terror...war on winnie the pooh......lol. these wars the politicians declare are moronic and then they get rich off of them....when people stop using drugs or creating terror in the world, we will all be dust. the left and right are out to lunch in a dream world.....they think we can control the world because we are the united states....good luck dumb shits, its going really ,really well....lol. and this stupid church...yeah, they are making us look so much better than the terrorist.......lol......lol. there are so many idiots in this country it almost makes me feel we deserve it and thats pathetic.

miraja2 09-08-2010 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 693362)
Freedoms are freedoms, whether you believe they are right or not.

Not if David Petraeus and the State Department tell you not to exercise that freedom. In that case....you should get life in prison for burning your own property. :rolleyes:

Antitrust32 09-08-2010 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 693475)
Not if David Petraeus and the State Department tell you not to exercise that freedom. In that case....you should get life in prison for burning your own property. :rolleyes:

I didnt need Patraeus to say a god damn word to know how this will effect the middle east. I was equally pissed off when CNN and Fox and everyone were reporting in depth about how terrible we were in Iraq taking pictures of prisoners.

Dont report it. Its nobody's business to know. Punish the people responsible & keep it under wraps. There is no reason to give the radical muslims more reasons to hate us. I wrote CNN letting them know they have blood on their hands (and the other media outlets).

miraja2 09-08-2010 08:36 AM

I just don't think it makes sense to give up legal freedoms because some other dangerous people don't like it. In my opinion, any person in this country should be free to burn any inanimate object that they rightfully own. Therefore, I strongly disagree with your earlier suggestion that a prison sentence is a suitable punishment for someone engaging in such an act.

Antitrust32 09-08-2010 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 693362)
If you can support the right to build the Mosque, I'm not sure how you can oppose his right to burn Quarans. Freedoms are freedoms, whether you believe they are right or not.

bump for BWS

brianwspencer 09-08-2010 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 693670)
bump for BWS

Are you drinking? I'm glad you bumped a post for me that said exactly what I said in the other thread, since I never said they shouldn't or couldn't burn the Koran.

Danzig 09-08-2010 06:22 PM

im not sure that the zealots could be induced to hate us any more than they do....we've invaded countries and are israels biggest ally...just how much worse could this make it?


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