Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 679699)

What is so silly is that many of you keep making the same silly arguments that you were making last year. You all thought that she wasn't anything special because she wasn't beating much and she wasn't winning by big margins. You all thought she had little or no chance in the BC Classic.
After she stepped up and won the BC Classic, I would have thought that that would be enough for you to realize that you were wrong and that her winning margins and her level of competition are pretty much meaningless. Her win in the BC Classic proved that there's more in the tank than she's showing. And yet here you go again making this same argument that she must not be that good because she's beating mediocre competition by small margins. I just don't get it. The BC Classic proved that that argument is wrong and yet you guys still make that same argument.

I'm not saying that she's the greatest horse ever. I'm simply saying that you can't measure her based on these races because she is clearly capable of doing more as she proved in the BC Classic.

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 680159)

Further, after watching the Whitney yesterday, how exactly could Quality Road win any race in which Rachel was entered? If anything he is the afterthought.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 680164)

And you want to know why people arent flocking to see RA and Z? Because most everyone outside of 7 year old girls and retards are tired of watching glorified exibition races.

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 680159)

Further, after watching the Whitney yesterday, how exactly could Quality Road win any race in which Rachel was entered? If anything he is the afterthought.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 680164)

That really isnt true. Who exactly was the big horse everyone was touting?
The truth is that the people who knock her were right last year and are still right. These arent great races. These arent good races. She is beating crap and looking very ordinary doing it. Spin it how ever you'd like but she is really just a nice horse with quirky habits, a strong closing kick and a cupcake schedule.

Unless you just WANT her to be more than she is. Then you can say she is better than Affirmed or rank her 12 all time or whatever blasphemy you want to go with.

And you want to know why people arent flocking to see RA and Z? Because most everyone outside of 7 year old girls and retards are tired of watching glorified exibition races.

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 680172)

This is silly. He was flat, one time. I pray he comes back in the Woodward, then everything will be fine again.

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 680159)

Further, after watching the Whitney yesterday, how exactly could Quality Road win any race in which Rachel was entered? If anything he is the afterthought.

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV (Post 679967)

Zenyatta is arguably the greatest race horse we will see in our life time, but the day is coming when she no longer wants to race and as a 6 yo mare the day is coming soon.

Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 680176)

Coming to your senses, I see. Good for you. Let's expand this a bit: QR won't be a factor in the CLASSIC --- if he makes it there. Blame eats his lunch whenever he wants.

Rachel who?:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 680175)

Silly? He has never proven he wants that far outside of the silly 9f races at GP where speed has a HUGE advantage. Good luck betting him the rest of the year.

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 680180)

Im not sure I would ever bet him, I mean say he comes back in the Woodward with a few bullets... I would have to assume he would be favored again, no?

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 680184)

Not against Blame obviously. Under what circumstances is he ever beating him at 9f or longer?

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 680153)

How exactly is RA an afterthought?

Because she lost her first two off of a 9 month layoff for a guy who is a statistical deadbeat as a layoff trainer?

If St. Trinians simply broke cleanly in the Vanity - there's no possible way Zenyatta would still be undefeated.

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 680187)

Why cant he have just had a bad day? I think he can beat Blame under the circumstances of JV just letting him roll, let the horse run... 23-46-110 clear lead, he went slow but was pressured from the outside. Maybe I just like him to much, Its hard for me to believe a plodder like Blame is this much better then QR all of the sudden, if this was so obvious why was Blame that price and QR odds on??

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley (Post 680188)

I would be more excited to see a match up in the classic between Zenyatta and Blame than I would be to see Zenyatta and RA in the Distaff. I also think it would be better for the sport and get more publicity if it was the former. Again, it's just my personal opinion.

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 680187)

Why cant he have just had a bad day? I think he can beat Blame under the circumstances of JV just letting him roll, let the horse run... 23-46-110 clear lead, he went slow but was pressured from the outside. Maybe I just like him to much, Its hard for me to believe a plodder like Blame is this much better then QR all of the sudden, if this was so obvious why was Blame that price and QR odds on??

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley (Post 680188)

RA hasn't shown she's the same horse as last year. Blame is the top male in his handicap division at this time. I would be more excited to see a match up in the classic between Zenyatta and Blame than I would be to see Zenyatta and RA in the Distaff. I also think it would be better for the sport and get more publicity if it was the former. Again, it's just my personal opinion.

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 680195)

I have no idea how long you have followed racing so I won't give you too much crap. How often do you see horses at the G1 level "just have a bad day" then revert right back to top form? I'll give you a clue...it isn't very often. But, to be honest, I don't think it was a bad day. I think it was a horse a tad past his best distance getting beaten by a better horse despite having things his own way.

As for your clear lead projection, that rarely works out either. The answer to a speed horse getting run down is not to go faster next time, but good luck with that theory.

Originally Posted by robfla (Post 680193)

:confused::zz:

Originally Posted by letswastemoney (Post 680197)

Casual fans who do not have much knowledge of the game, they do not care about Blame.

Rachel on the other hand draws the attention of thousands of younger fans...even if they aren't on the track, I believe they are following her, much more than Blame at least.