OK that was a fair challenge and I have no comeback. You didn't say mediocre, I did. At the same time, I think you are equally as off by using the word ordinary for Big Brown. At least he's got to be a "good" horse?

But I do pledge this to you and everybody else who is not a believer in Big Brown. If Big Brown wins the Breeders Cup Classic....he will be considered a great horse.

huh?

Not sure why you are stumped? So he would not be great IF he wins two Triple Crown Races, Two Grade One Races, and the BCC?

Why would he be "great" if he beats more bad horses in the BC? The only way you could even make an argument for him being "great" - which in my opinion is a waste of time anyways - is if he were to face Curlin and beat him on dirt. . . which he could never do.

i don't think he's anything special, as i don't think he has proven himself. he's been a beneficiary of a down year. most years he'd be an also ran, so why should he get a pass because he's a brighter spot compared to the rest of the crop this year? it doesn't work that way. some crops are great- the crop which included iron liege, bold ruler and round table for one, the crop which included secretariat and forego is another-or affirmed and alydar to name a few-some are deep-such as last years with three winners in three classics, with any given saturday and hard spun playing spoiler at times. some are like this year, which is absolutely a down year. big brown, when compared to good horses the last few years, is not great, or even very good. as for the classic, unless he faces curlin, and wins, he won't be anything more than ordinary, as we have pretty much conceded that this years older horses (other than curlin) is a joke.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

no. he'll be a multiple grade one winner, but that doesn't automatically make him great. lucky maybe, but not great.


look at it this way...if i win the powerball when it's a quarter of a billion dollars, i'd be rich. does that mean i'm the equivalent of warren buffet?

I'm pretty certain that Big Brown will be in a race featuring the best of the best which is the whole purpose of this race. Hopefully this weeds out the bad horses.

did you bet him in his first start..on the turf ..i did ..hes ok but any top 3 runner in ANY TC RACE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS WOULD SMOKE HIM.

There's no use arguing with a clueless Big Brown groupie like you. . .

Arguing.....Look who's talking Mr. Huh? Great argument on your part. At least you are good at insulting.

I have bet him five races so far. The last five. I missed the Allowance race if I am correct but not sure if that was his first.

If there was a way to bet against your Top 3 TC in the last 10 year statement, I would take some serious cash from you. You are really putting all 30 of those horses or duplicates against beating Big Brown every time? C'mon.

There's no use arguing with you because you don't know what you're talking about. You're so in love with this horse that you bet him at 1/5, and have no historical perspective that would help you understand why Big Brown isn't "great."

HES OK . thats it..this is by far the worst year for good horses ie running even close to normal speed figs as a whole. 95 perc of the tc horses this year cant break a 102 beyer..

So I bet him at 1/5. Is that crazy?...Yes. Did I bet a fortune? No. Did having a little action on him make the race more enjoyable for me to watch on ESPNC? Absolutely! What is wrong with that? Plus he won. And if he didn't, then no big deal because I have won hundreds on him this year. I'd still have a plentiful surplus.

Historical perspective is something I am learning admittedly. I am not comparing him to the greats of the past or the greats of the past that I don't even know about. By standing up for his accomplishments thus far against a tenured crowd who is giving him very little respect is something I choose to believe in. Don't confuse that with being in love with the horse.

But I do love learning about this sport which I prefer over being insulted.

Then don't read it! It can't be too bad if you continue to post. Or you are really bored.

i'm really bored.

So you admit to not knowing what you're talking about, and acknowledge that others know more, but refuse to listen to them when they say this horse isn't great?