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TheSpyder 03-30-2008 08:28 PM

Yea, Kent D. looked very tired after the race and not sure he can handle the Derby distance. After the interview I swear he was limping as he walked away.

Spyder

Cajungator26 03-30-2008 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
My wife has this excessive paranioa
about cooling horses down properly and she kind of got mad.

It bothers me too, but I can't remember seeing a racehorse (especially one that ran lights out like him) NOT blow hard afterwards.

Cannon Shell 03-30-2008 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Payson Dave
I laughed...

More interesting would be the post race breathing patterns of Dutrow. He keeps winning like this he will be borrowing suits from Hank Goldberg

Riot 03-30-2008 08:31 PM

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i just read the write up on t'bred times and they say that his stamina was never depleted. but what about his stretch run? was he weaving like an irishman on st paddys day because he was green? or was he rubber legged because he ran out of gas?
I just watched the replay (again - free on Bloodhorse TCM page, guys) - he didn't weave at all.

He came off the turn 3 wide - and he drove down the center of the track. He came out about 1 path more to a left whip, then the jock took him down to the rail, where he stayed.

Smooth Air is still impressive. More so. Bloodhorse says both are definitely in the Derby. Feet allegedly fine on Big Brown.

Riot 03-30-2008 08:33 PM

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I was trackside and did not see anything done to the track.
It was harrowed (I can tell from the video) - do you know if it was watered?

Riot 03-30-2008 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
More interesting would be the post race breathing patterns of Dutrow. He keeps winning like this he will be borrowing suits from Hank Goldberg

Good lord .....

Payson Dave 03-30-2008 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
More interesting would be the post race breathing patterns of Dutrow. He keeps winning like this he will be borrowing suits from Hank Goldberg

Has he (RD) gotten considerably larger in the past few years??? .....perhaps an overexposure to steroids??

Cajungator26 03-30-2008 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mumtaz
Good lord .....

Yeah, it would be tough to remove the sweaty pit stains from Hank's suits.

pgardn 03-30-2008 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
You actually monitor the post race breathing patterns of Dutrow horses?

You missed the thread.
Dutrow had some other horses mentioned
by some other posters that looked very good winning
implying that this was per usual... that they could run
all day.

pgardn 03-30-2008 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
It bothers me too, but I can't remember seeing a racehorse (especially one that ran lights out like him) NOT blow hard afterwards.

I have seen plenty of horses coming home looking like drunken
sailors and not breathing like that. did you watch the interview
while the horse had to sit there? He needed to move. but most
of the animals I have seen up close, are not what we would call
superior runners. And I have seen interview done live on the horses
with the jock where the horses looked like they could do it all again.

Big brown did not look like he was ready for another ala Ernie Banks.

Cajungator26 03-30-2008 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
I have seen plenty of horses coming home looking like drunken
sailors and not breathing like that. did you watch the interview
while the horse had to sit there? He needed to move.

Yeah, I watched the video... he was blowing hard like most horses do after they run lights out. Did he need to be walked out and cooled down? I think the answer to that should be an obvious YES.

Danzig 03-30-2008 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Yeah it was bad feet. :rolleyes:

bad being latin for slow.

Danzig 03-30-2008 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Yeah, I watched the video... he was blowing hard like most horses do after they run lights out. Did he need to be walked out and cooled down? I think the answer to that should be an obvious YES.

i always roll my eyes a bit at the 'he wouldn't blow out a match' line after a hard race.

pgardn 03-30-2008 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Yeah, I watched the video... he was blowing hard like most horses do after they run lights out. Did he need to be walked out and cooled down? I think the answer to that should be an obvious YES.

I have seen horses run lights at longer distances
that walk around proudly shaking the head still galloping.
Thats all I am saying. He obviously ran very hard. The winning
bravado that some horses display after blowing a field away
was not there. So it was not an effortless
journey by a vastly superior horse. Thats what I mean.
He won by open lengths, he was not chased down.
So it is important to me that it was not a piece of
cake effort for him even though he decimated the field.

Had Big Brown galloped out fully shaking his head asking
for more I would have been totally amazed.

When I saw those fractions coming up I was certain
he was dead meat. I was so wrong.

Cajungator26 03-30-2008 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Seriously?


skippy3481 03-30-2008 10:20 PM

I agree Pgardn.. I bet against the horse and after he took the first half in 45 and change, I thought he would fold like a cheap tent..... While i haven't decided if I would play him in the derby, I do think it was one of the best preps this year and I can't wait to see how he trains up to the derby.

hockey2315 03-30-2008 11:03 PM

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned Big Brown's behavior after the race. He was a little aggressive.

Pedigree Ann 03-31-2008 04:58 AM

I have two words for you guys - Bellamy Road.

I have been around long enough that I try to resist getting too overcome with enthusiasm about a horse based on one superior race. (Remember Daaher?) Good race on a track that didn't seem kind to closers. Too bad he will be given time off to lose condition rather than another race to bring him on before the Derby.


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