Oh no.....no-no-no-no-no.


YOU did that...YOU have been inking about THE FROZEN ONE and how he does no wrong and how weak the team is behind him etc.,etc.,etc.

It wasn't until I shed a little fact on the deal that you backpedaled.


So that's it...rave on,but the work is here for all to see.

So I was the one who started this thread?? I think the first poster of this thread was not me. YOu have your own opinion of James and I defended him to you as I always do. Yes, I have stated the team behind him is not strong. "Average" is the term I used I think. Perhaps I'm wrong on that. I have also always stated the team is much better when those parts are healthy and playing...even Hughes whom I have defended on here despite most Cav fans not agreeing with me. I'm sorry I just think James is the main reason the team is relevant...not the remainder of the team. I will always think that. I am quite certain I never said they were a better team with Z not playing or with Varejao not playing, or with Pavlovic not playing, or with Gibson not playing. I never uttered those words one single time.

Yes, it is here for all to see. I know what I've said. I think he's the best player in the league, I think he's the MVP. Perhaps I'm wrong about that. IF you consider it a vaporization, that is absolutely fine. I have not really been refuted on any points and the fact you have to bring out as your main point of argument that they are 1-0 in their last one game WITH Z, I think you just may be losing this one!!

^^^









0-7 withut James.



Oh really?



Really.



It seems to me without Andy as well.



Oh...right.



And Mr. Pavilic was still trying to zero in on the side of a barn.




Oh....right.






So James out along with 2...not 1----2.....key components ....is that right?







Uh...yes.








So much for reliable "witnesses."





























By the way......I was talking about all threads on this issue...not just this one.



Faulty testimony on your part...as per usual.

Were they without Varejao and without James for an extended period in February?? They were 8-4...again you refused to recognize this issue and statement and fact. But again, that sample doesn't fit your narrow brain. So you ignore it time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time again. I brought it up right away and you ignore it...I ackowledge all the correct facts you brought out. That is the difference between me and you. I am smart and you aren't.

You can't even acknlwledge relevant statements I make...you will not acknlowedge their record without Varejao and with LeBron as 8-4...it doesn't fit your "yeah, but they were 0-7 without LeBron AND Varejao, becuase there is actually a sample with LeBron without V...a lot of them. Actually it is 17-10...they were 9-6 without V and with LeBron in November and December...then 8-4 in Feb without him.

Failure to launch. I provide the facts and you will not accept them.

You can ignore every fact you wish and throw them under the bus...it is simply how you roll. I don't care. they have huge samples of playing with LeBron and without Pavlovic/Varejao/Gibson/Z. For you to base everything that the 0-7 was without LeBron but also without V is beyond the realm of stupidity in debating.

Do you really want to take this to page 11?? I am not sure what your point to all this is??

^^^ Really reaching now....apparently out of ammo about 12 posts ago.






Wait until he sees what I throw up next about THE FROZEN ONE... alittle more insight .


Yes......this same THE BLING who dumped 4 in a row to SA when it REALLY counted.











Mr. "Clutch."


:rolleyes:

And that 8-4 stretch without Varejao was without Varejao AND Pavlovic and with James...so for you to go into the 0-7 was without Varejao AND Pavlovic when Pavlovic was actually playing is about 22 IQ level stuff. You are the dumbest human being on the planet.

They have a sample of going 8-4 with James and without both V and Pavlovic yet you somehow think the 0-7 without James was misleading. You are the dumbest human being on the planet.

Acknowledge their real record as playing without Varejao and Pavlovic at the same time with LeBron on the floor as 8-4. C'mon Avery...it's not hard. Acknowledge that fact as your downfall here. You can't even recognize it. YOu are simply that dumb!! :D

:rolleyes:




As you have already pointed out...it would have been better to play the great Donnyell than Sasha at that time.









Let me know when James can nail a sizzling 80% of his free throws and a drop dead 38% on his 3's.



And play a little defense instead of that 43 man squamish stuff.




Ya might add playing more point and more decoy instead of ball hog at any cost.

Quiz Avery...what was the Cavs record without Varejao and Pavlovic at the same time with LeBron playing??

What was the Cavs record without LeBron playing??

It's quite easy. I have stated it many times here on this page. Can you do it?? Can you answer this quiz?? I play your quiz games...but you can't play can you!!

That is the difference between me and you. I am smart and you are dumb.

You are beyond dumb at this point.

Ok...when you let me know you're not a moron!! Cant' see that as ever happening however.

I'm actually debating with the dumbest person on the planet. I guess I trump him on the dumbness category. I'm vaporized again!!! HOO_RAHHH

I give up with this azzhole already.




Do me a favor and go fucl< the guy then.













OK?

What was their record without both Varejao and Pavlovic with LeBron playing??

Simply can't do it can you!!!!!:D :D :D :D You can't get your little pea brain to state it can you??? It isn't hard.

Vapor trails.

You have really pissed me off ,sir, with your fractured fairy tales.





If this guy played the game Majic Johnson did the Cavs would be a whole lot better...on this very team.THEN 4TH Q play would be TEAM play and not the LeBron James bullsh!it show. THEN players would get use to playing like a team and other guys could contribute heavily and take and make game winning shots.


Until the TEAM takes the game back from the KING---this is what you will continue to get....scoring and triple double leader with no titles.


It don't git much fucl<in' simpler than that.




22 points a game.......14 assists a game and 5-6 rebounds a game and the Cavs beome an elite team.....becuase HE finally chose to play a TEAM and not a ME game.

More fairy tales...what is the Cavs record playing without both V and Pavlovic and with LeBron on the floor since that was the main point of your debate here??

What is their record under those circumstances??

What is their record without LeBron??

Whether there is validity to your 14 assist per game point would make them the best team in the world is for another time. I simply want you to answer me these two questions. Can you do it??

You ran from 0-7!!


I never mentioned it...you did!



And you lied!


Now you run to this mess!....Like ALL WITNESSES do!









Let history tell. If James continues to be selfish...the Cavs will continue to underacheive. You can't have a hotdog shooting 25-30 times a game while the 7-3 center shoots 7-8....for one example.



Let's hear you answer how many nba titles they've won WITH him?

And that answer ain't about to change this year---either.


Booby Knight would throw you IN the chair across the floor.

What is their record without Varejao and Pavlovic with LEBron on the floor??

STate it dumb man. STate it dimwit...State it dim bulb. state it smartman...you really can't do it can you??

(where did I lie??)

By the way Ilgauskas is shooting 47.5 percent not even up to the clangers standards. He is not an 86 percent field goal shooter.

THe hot dog is shooting 22 times per game...not 25-30. But what's 5 shots per game amongst friends!!!