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pgardn 03-19-2007 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
A reason for leaving the seat up, sorry girls.

I wonder if she gets the piss shivers?

Grits 03-19-2007 11:09 PM

I have a dog, I don't have a cat...for God's sake would someone tell me what "piss shivers" are???????????????

I swear I thought I was through with this thread, and here I am at midnight killing over with laughs again.

Pillow you ain't right. I swear you're not. Where do you get this stuff?

LOLOLOL

reese 03-20-2007 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
How are you all hammering my dreams? I'm going to college to be a cardiologist, own a very nice horse, and hang out with some of the biggest names in Thoroughbred racing. I'm already in the middle of everything in the industry living the good life. In other words, I was being very facetious in my previous post...

Balletto's alter ego here:D

Sightseek 03-20-2007 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

:D :D

Sightseek 03-20-2007 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
best leave him there..wouldn't want to pull him out before he is finished doing his business

OMG, this is truly the funniest thread ever.

horseofcourse 03-20-2007 12:03 PM

Let's get back on topic here...

1. Xchanger
2. Rutledge Cat
3. Teuflesberg
4. UD Ghetto
5. Grapelli

blackthroatedwind 03-20-2007 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse
Let's get back on topic here...

1. Xchanger
2. Rutledge Cat
3. Teuflesberg
4. UD Ghetto
5. Grapelli


Spoil sport!


Wait a sec.....I just read your list. Thanks for staying on board.

Bigsmc 03-20-2007 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Spoil sport!


Wait a sec.....I just read your list. Thanks for staying on board.

LOL

Andy, you are on fire the last couple days.

blackthroatedwind 03-20-2007 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
LOL

Andy, you are on fire the last couple days.

That list looked like the line-up for the 2007 Kentucky Derby in Hell.



Do you ever read the Esquire Dubious Achievement Awards? They always have one category that is " Now Showing at the Hell-Plaza Octoplex " where they list the most ridiculous movies of the year.

Bigsmc 03-20-2007 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
That list looked like the line-up for the 2007 Kentucky Derby in Hell.



Do you ever read the Esquire Dubious Achievement Awards? They always have one category that is " Now Showing at the Hell-Plaza Octoplex " where they list the most ridiculous movies of the year.

I've missed the Esquire DA Awards, but that first line was still damn funny.

Sometimes I find myself looking at the tote board before a race and wonder who in the hell is actually putting money on a horse that is hopelessly overmatched (on the board at 20-1 and should be 2000-1)....thankfully, I don't have to wonder anymore.

Withers 03-20-2007 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Not to pile on, but this is about as confused and incorrect opinion as I've read, and considering some of the nonsense in this thread that's saying quite a lot.

What, pray tell, should the industry emphasize on THAT PROVIDES THE MONEY THAT SUPPORTS THE GAME?

Sorry to exercise right of response so late, but really, there are LOADS of sports that operate without betting revenues. What exactly makes horseracing so different? Other sports manage to fund multimillion dollar stadiums. Why? Because of their massive fan base and appeal and the fact that people watch the sport and exert so much pressure on local governments that they put themselves in debt to keep local constituencies happy. Nothing wrong with betting revenues, and yes, they currently support the sport. I'm just suggesting that horseracing, by making betting king, is equating itself to slots...and there's no sport in slots, however much money it generates. People need heroes and human interest stories. When more than 100,000 show up in the pouring rain to watch Funny Cide as they did, it wasn't betting that brought them out, and their support does help the sport. If TV ratings are not important, why does DRF report on them after every single Derby/Preakness/Belmont? Why is Superbowl advertising so important? But don't worry, I'm sure you all are right that betting is all that matters to horseracing's future success. Big handles, big purses, and no TV audience and everything is great...the sport is in full freefall, but of course the current model is working...

Antitrust32 03-20-2007 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Withers
Sorry to exercise right of response so late, but really, there are LOADS of sports that operate without betting revenues. What exactly makes horseracing so different? Other sports manage to fund multimillion dollar stadiums. Why? Because of their massive fan base and appeal and the fact that people watch the sport and exert so much pressure on local governments that they put themselves in debt to keep local constituencies happy. Nothing wrong with betting revenues, and yes, they currently support the sport. I'm just suggesting that horseracing, by making betting king, is equating itself to slots...and there's no sport in slots, however much money it generates. People need heroes and human interest stories. When more than 100,000 show up in the pouring rain to watch Funny Cide as they did, it wasn't betting that brought them out, and their support does help the sport. If TV ratings are not important, why does DRF report on them after every single Derby/Preakness/Belmont? Why is Superbowl advertising so important? But don't worry, I'm sure you all are right that betting is all that matters to horseracing's future success. Big handles, big purses, and no TV audience and everything is great...the sport is in full freefall, but of course the current model is working...

The day i walk into the sports authority and see as many horsey jerseys as football jerseys will be the day blackthroatedwind sees spooky mulder in the HOF.

i can hear it now "Our top selling jersey this year is Stormello - not Carmello"

blackthroatedwind 03-20-2007 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Withers
Sorry to exercise right of response so late, but really, there are LOADS of sports that operate without betting revenues. What exactly makes horseracing so different? Other sports manage to fund multimillion dollar stadiums. Why? Because of their massive fan base and appeal and the fact that people watch the sport and exert so much pressure on local governments that they put themselves in debt to keep local constituencies happy. Nothing wrong with betting revenues, and yes, they currently support the sport. I'm just suggesting that horseracing, by making betting king, is equating itself to slots...and there's no sport in slots, however much money it generates. People need heroes and human interest stories. When more than 100,000 show up in the pouring rain to watch Funny Cide as they did, it wasn't betting that brought them out, and their support does help the sport. If TV ratings are not important, why does DRF report on them after every single Derby/Preakness/Belmont? Why is Superbowl advertising so important? But don't worry, I'm sure you all are right that betting is all that matters to horseracing's future success. Big handles, big purses, and no TV audience and everything is great...the sport is in full freefall, but of course the current model is working...


You are very confused about what makes horseracing work as a day to day business.

Major league sports have substantial broadcasting revenues that racing can never have.

Major league sports derive substantial revenue from ticket sales that racing can never have save a few days a year.

Racing is funded almost solely by takeout from wagering, though now slot money has also been added to the mix, and if you think that racetracks that run even mildly significant meets can survive without gambling you are mistaken. Completely mistaken.

What racetracks need to do is find a better way to educate their fans about wagering. Any fan that does better, or in most cases less poorly, will be inclined to bet more and enjoy him or herself more. This is how they can improve their business ( and, no, I am not suggesting this is easy....but having know-nothing talking heads on between races sure isn't helping ). If someone wants to pay the general admission and walk the grounds, not bet, and enjoy their day that is their prerogative, but make no mistake....they are doing VERY little to help the game.

Withers 03-20-2007 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
The day i walk into the sports authority and see as many horsey jerseys as football jerseys will be the day blackthroatedwind sees spooky mulder in the HOF.

i can hear it now "Our top selling jersey this year is Stormello - not Carmello"

Tee-hee-hee :D :D :D

Coach Pants 03-20-2007 05:38 PM

"Lets go Street Sense!! *clap clap- clap clap clap* Let's go Street Sense!"

"Booooo!! Hey Pletcher wake up ******* you just won the Derby! Someone check for a pulse!!! You suck!!"

"We will, we will cash tickets!! *clap clap clap- clap clap clap* We will, we will....cash tickets!! *air guitar solo*"

Withers 03-20-2007 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You are very confused about what makes horseracing work as a day to day business.

Major league sports have substantial broadcasting revenues that racing can never have.

Major league sports derive substantial revenue from ticket sales that racing can never have save a few days a year.

Racing is funded almost solely by takeout from wagering, though now slot money has also been added to the mix, and if you think that racetracks that run even mildly significant meets can survive without gambling you are mistaken. Completely mistaken.

What racetracks need to do is find a better way to educate their fans about wagering. Any fan that does better, or in most cases less poorly, will be inclined to bet more and enjoy him or herself more. This is how they can improve their business ( and, no, I am not suggesting this is easy....but having know-nothing talking heads on between races sure isn't helping ). If someone wants to pay the general admission and walk the grounds, not bet, and enjoy their day that is their prerogative, but make no mistake....they are doing VERY little to help the game.

I repeat: no one is proposing banning gambling at the tracks. I am not arguing that we should be discouraging gambling (for heaven's sake).

Yes, gambling is extremely important in order to maintain horseracing in its current state. I'm just very doubtful that your emphasis on gambling can safeguard its future. If you feel that horseracing has reached its maximum potential for popularity, ticket sales, and broadcasting in the 21st century, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it...but I disagree.

blackthroatedwind 03-20-2007 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Withers
I repeat: no one is proposing banning gambling at the tracks. I am not arguing that we should be discouraging gambling (for heaven's sake).

Yes, gambling is extremely important in order to maintain horseracing in its current state. I'm just very doubtful that your emphasis on gambling can safeguard its future. If you feel that horseracing has reached its maximum potential for popularity, ticket sales, and broadcasting in the 21st century, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it...but I disagree.

Enlighten me....tell me exactly how racing is going to fund itself in addition to betting revenue and slot revenue. I would love to hear your ideas....seriously.

Coach Pants 03-20-2007 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Withers
I repeat: no one is proposing banning gambling at the tracks. I am not arguing that we should be discouraging gambling (for heaven's sake).

Yes, gambling is extremely important in order to maintain horseracing in its current state. I'm just very doubtful that your emphasis on gambling can safeguard its future. If you feel that horseracing has reached its maximum potential for popularity, ticket sales, and broadcasting in the 21st century, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it...but I disagree.

Well I see where you're coming from on the promoting aspect of the sport. I, for one, have always thought an entertainer like Ludacris would be great to have in a scenario like the derby post parade. Have Luda rap about the horses and their connections instead of the track announcer. Also he can put in a few plugs for Pepsi and other corporate sponsors like Smith & Wesson and Proactiv.

Having someone like Luda promoting the sport would give the game the mass appeal it desperately needs. Maybe have Green Day perform during the presentation ceremony.

blackthroatedwind 03-20-2007 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Well I see where you're coming from on the promoting aspect of the sport. I, for one, have always thought an entertainer like Ludacris would be great to have in a scenario like the derby post parade. Have Luda rap about the horses and their connections instead of the track announcer. Also he can put in a few plugs for Pepsi and other corporate sponsors like Smith & Wesson and Proactiv.

Having someone like Luda promoting the sport would give the game the mass appeal it desperately needs. Maybe have Green Day perform during the presentation ceremony.


I tell you what, having Emmanuelle Beart present the trophy at the 2005 Arc did quite a bit for me!

Cajungator26 03-20-2007 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Well I see where you're coming from on the promoting aspect of the sport. I, for one, have always thought an entertainer like Ludacris would be great to have in a scenario like the derby post parade. Have Luda rap about the horses and their connections instead of the track announcer. Also he can put in a few plugs for Pepsi and other corporate sponsors like Smith & Wesson and Proactiv.

Having someone like Luda promoting the sport would give the game the mass appeal it desperately needs. Maybe have Green Day perform during the presentation ceremony.

LMFAO... I'd actually pay good money to see that.


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