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gales0678
06-13-2006, 12:14 PM
I am going to selcet a player that I think can win who is greater than 50>1.
If one of the big 4/5 beat him so be it.
The player i think can win that can shoot 4 rounds between 68 - 73 on this golf course and finish somewhere around even par is Justin Leonard.
He has the abiltiy to work his driver both ways off the tee, which will be important at Winged Foot since there are doglegs to the right and left.
His short game is world class and if his putter is on , i think he will be right there.
A little inside info - We all know he played great therein '97 and came in 2nd to Davis Love in the PGA. Davis' win was as dominating on a field (with the exception of some of Tigers wins) in a major in the last 10 years.
Also when yous truly was a Gale at Iona , I got to caddie for him at WInged Foot for a day. He played in the all american outing that Bill Fugazy ran up there. Since it was a fun tourney , after the hole was over, and since it was slow, i dropped some balls in some hard places around the greens and watched him time after time get the ball up nad down from some pretty tough spots.
I'm pretty confident he will be in contention come Sunday.
I am going to selcet a player that I think can win who is greater than 50>1.
If one of the big 4/5 beat him so be it.
The player i think can win that can shoot 4 rounds between 68 - 73 on this golf course and finish somewhere around even par is Justin Leonard.
He has the abiltiy to work his driver both ways off the tee, which will be important at Winged Foot since there are doglegs to the right and left.
His short game is world class and if his putter is on , i think he will be right there.
A little inside info - We all know he played great therein '97 and came in 2nd to Davis Love in the PGA. Davis' win was as dominating on a field (with the exception of some of Tigers wins) in a major in the last 10 years.
Also when yous truly was a Gale at Iona , I got to caddie for him at WInged Foot for a day. He played in the all american outing that Bill Fugazy ran up there. Since it was a fun tourney , after the hole was over, and since it was slow, i dropped some balls in some hard places around the greens and watched him time after time get the ball up nad down from some pretty tough spots.
I'm pretty confident he will be in contention come Sunday.
You and I think alike. We are doing a pool here at work and he was the 2nd person I put on my list. The guy is a magician from 100yds and in, so if he misses fairways, I like his chances of making par after chipping back to the fairway.
On a different golf note....Philly Mick has hired a full time PR Aide that is COUNTING THE NUMBER OF AUTOGRAPHS he is signing. He signed 172 in 15 minutes after the Wachovia last week. The is way too funny...is this guy paranoid about his image or what????:eek: :eek:
Seattleallstar
06-13-2006, 12:29 PM
top 3 picks for us open
1.Tiger of course
2.Fred Couples
3.Jose Maria O
whorstman
06-13-2006, 12:44 PM
If Tiger is close to 50% Fairways hit and putts half decent, it's all over.
gales0678
06-13-2006, 03:02 PM
I don't think anyone in the world can win the US Open by ONLY hitting 50% of the fairways
GPK do you agree?
I don't think anyone in the world can win the US Open by ONLY hitting 50% of the fairways
GPK do you agree?
Not with the progressive rough they have there this year. The further off line you hit it, the more penal it will be.
Winner will need to hit at least 65% of his fairways.
Gander
06-13-2006, 03:13 PM
I hope Tiger chips & putts better than he did in that last round in the Masters. He better plan on hitting 90% of his fairways if his short game is like that.
I firmly believe Tiger is sitting on a really big performance. I promise you he is VERY aware that Phil has won the last two majors and he will have none of that. Its constantly clear that his desire is to be the best in the world and the wider margin that he can seperate from #2 in the world the better. People talk about a rival for Tiger, but I'm sure in Tigers mind he is thinking "F that."
Ironic that 6 years ago, the same days, June 15-18 we were witness to the most dominating performance ever witnessed on a golf course. 2000 US Open at Pebble Beach. Would love to see a repeat of that this year at Winged Foot.
Gander
06-13-2006, 03:21 PM
You know how I feel about both golfers Kev, but like it or not I believe Tiger does indeed have a legitimate rival right now in Phil. Tiger had absolutely every chance to win at the Masters. Phil was coming off a huge win in a no name tournament and everybody said he would bounce. You have to give credit where credit is deserved. Phil played magnificient the last day at the Masters.
Phil has now won 3 majors and is owners of the last 2. Tiger has 10. I know thats still quite a gap but Tiger needs to start rolling again for anybody to think Phil isnt a rival.
This coming from me...Tiger = Red Sox, Phil = Yankees (In terms of how I like each).
whorstman
06-13-2006, 03:31 PM
Yeah, 50% was a bit of an exaggeration. I was kind of agreeing w/ GPK with Tiger sitting on a big one. I think his mind will be much clearer and he will hit enough fairways to get by. He is the best scrambler w/ his inventive shot making that even if he misses the fairway, he can still muscle the ball out. I have a feeling that if he brings his "B" game he will win by a few shots. "A" game and he laps the field.
gales0678
06-13-2006, 03:57 PM
I think he had his B game at the Masters this year and did not win.
He said himself that he never hit the ball better tee to green. Putted horribly.
There are others who if they play their A game and he plays his B game he will lose to, maybe a couple of years ago that was not the case, but, today it is. I think the other players have cuaght up to him more thant you think.
Also - He has never lapped the field in a US Open on a tight tree-lined course like Winged Foot. Pebble Beach is not like the Open courses in the East.
1 other fact - of his 10 majors - only 1 is on a par 70 course - Bethpage Black where he won by 3 strokes. Tiger's advantage on a par 70 over the field is not as big as a par 71 or 72. He has won 6/10 majors on Augusta and St Andrew's - two par 72 course that play as par 68's for him and par 72's for 95 % of the other players in the field.
I think he is a bet agianst this week at 5/1 off his layoff and history on par 70
courses.
Gander
06-13-2006, 04:29 PM
I am a huge Tiger fan but yet I get tired of hearing that every time he doesnt get it done, hes only playing his B or C game. You can basically say that about any player. Yes I know Tiger wins more than anyone else with his sub-average efforts but lets be honest... Tiger blew it at the Masters. He had a chance to win and got way out played by Phil.
I am a huge Tiger fan but yet I get tired of hearing that every time he doesnt get it done, hes only playing his B or C game. You can basically say that about any player. Yes I know Tiger wins more than anyone else with his sub-average efforts but lets be honest... Tiger blew it at the Masters. He had a chance to win and got way out played by Phil.
He got out putted by Phil.
Tim...you know how much I dislike Phil, but I am the first person to give credit where it is due. Phil played fantastic at Augusta and Tiger played equally great, if not better, from tee to green. Phil simply putted better.
I know how hard this game is, especially at a high tournament level. I know how draining it is. I don't dislike Phil for his golf game, never have. He is a real talent. I just dislike Phil as a person, not for his golf game. I will always give him credit when he plays well.
Gander
06-13-2006, 04:52 PM
I feel the same way Kev, but when Phil doesnt get it done this week, I will be the first person to say Phil only had his C game. I dont think him nor Tiger will win. Retief should do very well, he is my pick.
I feel the same way Kev, but when Phil doesnt get it done this week, I will be the first person to say Phil only had his C game. I dont think him nor Tiger will win. Retief should do very well, he is my pick.
The 9 players I used for the office pool, in order.
1. Tiger
2. J. Leonard
3. Veeeeej
4. Westwood
5. Furyk
6. Els
7. Goose
8. G. Olgivey
9. Ames
boldruler
06-13-2006, 04:57 PM
Watch out for Padraig Harrington. 50-1 and he wins his major.
Our boy J. Leonard better get on the ball....+3 through 3 holes.
Our boy J. Leonard better get on the ball....+3 through 3 holes.
Goosen is LOCK CITY...not sure what his odds were but he is my tout
Goosen is LOCK CITY...not sure what his odds were but he is my tout
He is proven, thats for sure. He has won 2 Opens already, but I just don't think that he drives it straight enough for this course.
I made the phone call and got him what he needed, ta-ta's in his mouth, he is good to go for this week
I made the phone call and got him what he needed, ta-ta's in his mouth, he is good to go for this week
Son...we gotta get you laid...QUICKLY
No need.....I was making the reference that he needs to get laid....Just becase someone talks about ta-ta's doesn't mean he isn't getting laid
Yeah...tell that to someone that don't know you...
There will be plenty of Ta-ta's in Scav's mouth in 21 days. CHEETAH'S WHAT....Just need to be positive $500 going into Saturday so when I get home Saturday night, bring back two fine ladies that are friends, if you know what I am saying.....
Last woman that tried to pick me up in Vegas whispered in my ear that I could have her for $500. SHe didnt take too kindly to me telling her that I should be the one charging her $500.....LOL
Only time I will ever pay for it is when I am married....and boy did I ever pay for it then..:eek:
$500 for one, that is bootleg...the going rate out there is $300 for 1, $500 for 2, they are salesladies.....I am not 'old' enough for them to approach me yet, I think I might parade around the casino with like 2k stuck to my head and see how long the train can go....
$500 for one, that is bootleg...the going rate out there is $300 for 1, $500 for 2, they are salesladies.....I am not 'old' enough for them to approach me yet, I think I might parade around the casino with like 2k stuck to my head and see how long the train can go....
LMFAOOOOOOOOO.
This chick was sly about it. She sat beside me at the blackjack table and start playing...didnt looking anything like a hooker. 15 minutes later I feel her hand on my leg.
Get this...I told her she was out of luck, I had just checked out of my room. She says thats ok, we can go my car in the parking garage.....I looked at her like and told her she was nuts...$500 to get a piece of ass in a car?? She says "I got tinted windows"...GFY
Goosen +4 after 10 holes....
Gander
06-15-2006, 10:30 AM
Too early for any score to matter Kev. You know the Goose will be there when it matters. I like him to win this but I hope Tiger does.
LMFAOOOOOOOOO.
This chick was sly about it. She sat beside me at the blackjack table and start playing...didnt looking anything like a hooker. 15 minutes later I feel her hand on my leg.
Get this...I told her she was out of luck, I had just checked out of my room. She says thats ok, we can go my car in the parking garage.....I looked at her like and told her she was nuts...$500 to get a piece of ass in a car?? She says "I got tinted windows"...GFY
Yeah, $500 is at least worth spreading out over the bed action
Yeah, $500 is at least worth spreading out over the bed action
I ain't paying $5 for it. Too much out there is free
I'm too lazy....if the opportunity is there, i will waste time with it but if not, just easier that way, get it done and get back to the tables
Tom....there are TONS.....TONS of single horny girls out there on vacation. If you have ANY kind of game whatsoever, you can get laid in Vegas and use that money towards more important things....HORSES...CRAPS...BLACKJACK.
You know though, if I go to a club and go through all of that, I will drop $300 just in drinks and tips.....I am not a stand there and do nothing guy, I like having a table and planning my pursuit, just to sit at a table at a Vegas club is like a c-note,and drinks at $10-$15 now
You need to go with me to Vegas....I will have you laid and the only thing it will cost you is what you spend at the tables...
They need to ban CHRIS BERMAN from doing golf tournaments FOREVER....
Easy, you probably ooze that old man smell which is why all the hoes come your way...I don't have that smell yet
Its called self confidence and sex appeal...lol
Also....chicks dig a guy that can make them laugh. Gotta have the sense of humor.
oracle80
06-15-2006, 12:05 PM
And Mickelson with a very nice round in the clubhouse at even par with Vijay also a nice round at one over. :)
And Mickelson with a very nice round in the clubhouse at even par with Vijay also a nice round at one over. :)
Phil played well...got it up and down nicely when missed greens. Afternoon is gonna be much tougher on everyone with the wind picking up.
gales0678
06-15-2006, 12:12 PM
hope he makes the cut now at least , otherwise i'm dead in the office pool
SCUDSBROTHER
06-15-2006, 09:11 PM
Good God.How can it be that nobody has had the nerve to off this irritating,pompous ass called Donald Trump?
SCUDSBROTHER
06-15-2006, 10:31 PM
Tiger is lucky he didn't take a piece of some old lady's head off(when he hit the ball into the grandstand.)Folks, Tiger is an incredibly honest individual.If he doesn't have it on Thursday,it is rare that he finds it.He always says he is o.k. if he puts in 2 good rounds.Problem is he usually can't play much better on Friday.He can rally with a crippled game for a piece,but not the whole thing.I will tell you this.About 3 yrs. ago I saw a guy get a 2 or 3 shot lead on Saturday afternoon in the PGA CHAMPIONSHIP.He choked hard on the last 2 holes,and fell back into a tie going into Sunday.Many thought this player would continue to choke on Sunday.He did not.He won.His name is Shaun McHEEL(close enough.)I wouldn't be surprised if the player who had a 3 shot lead at one time today(and choked it away,)now goes out and plays like Shaun did on Sunday.The fact of the matter is that one person had enough game to get to -4 today,and to do that,he had to be playing at a very high level.Nobody else came close to playing that well.I think the British Open,and the Masters often do have a fluke 1st round leader that falls away.Sometimes the PGA AS WELL.I think this tournament and the PGA TOURNAMENT OF 2003(THAT McHEEL won)are similiar in that they played very,very hard.I think somebody who gets a 3 shot lead in the Masters in the 1st round can be a quite different situation than somebody getting to -4 in this tournament(in the 1st round.)I think his game (Howell's) had to be very good to do it,and I don't think it was a fluke.Sure,he had a nervous fit out there.It was a very new situation for him(leading a major by 3 shots.)I have seen this cat play.I have tried to beat him.I can tell you that this SOB can sink putt after putt on you.If he got rid of his nerves today(I think it is possibly the case,)then look out.This guy just might be the best putter I have ever seen play.Anyways,David Howell at 12-1 is my choice to win it.
SCUDSBROTHER
06-16-2006, 03:26 AM
Used 4 Players...howell 12/1......odds Really Are Crap Considering The Task At Hand.
K Ferrie150/1(not 125/1)......real Good Ballstriker..poor Putter.
John Cook 125/1...son Caddying.
Kevin Stadler...125/1..streaky As It Gets.
Scuds...I put $$ on 3 players
D. Howell at 16-1 (clearly Europes best chance)
G. Olgivy at 18-1
C. Montgomerie at 20-1
dr. fager
06-16-2006, 06:50 AM
Scuds...I put $$ on 3 players
D. Howell at 16-1 (clearly Europes best chance)
G. Olgivy at 18-1
C. Montgomerie at 20-1
what was furyk at?
I wanna say he was 8-1...but my memory is fading in my old age.
Gander
06-16-2006, 08:24 AM
Monty is 20/1 right now, leading the tournament? How can that be?
I dont think we can assume Tiger would be tearing up this course if he hadnt taken the last 2 months off. Sure he would have probably shot better than +6 but in my opinion based on the other player's scores, I dont think Tiger would have been all that much better. Hes had rounds similar to this in big tournaments, not many, but he has had bad rounds in the past.
I look for Tiger to go for it today and either
1) Shoot 2 or 3 under par and put him in position to be within 3-4 shots from the lead after today.
2) Shoot another high round, maybe +4 or +5 ending his realistic chances to win this weekend, but maybe still making the cut.
SCUDSBROTHER
06-16-2006, 11:34 AM
Kev,Howell is getting frustrated(something you can't allow to happen on a U.S. OPEN Course.)I figure the winner of this tournament is going to be even par or worse.These guys need to stick like glue in the even par to +5 range,and not freak about the bad shot they just made(obviously if only one person is under par,then defense is offense right now.)My guess is Ogilvy will be your lowest score at the end of today.Wow,Howell just hit a beautiful shot to hopefully save par on a par 5.He needs to keep it in the +3 to+5 range (because I think his mind will turn off and quit if he gets to the +6 to +7 range.)
Kev,Howell is getting frustrated(something you can't allow to happen on a U.S. OPEN Course.)I figure the winner of this tournament is going to be even par or worse.These guys need to stick like glue in the even par to +5 range,and not freak about the bad shot they just made(obviously if only one person is under par,then defense is offense right now.)My guess is Ogilvy will be your lowest score at the end of today.Wow,Howell just hit a beautiful shot to hopefully save par on a par 5.He needs to keep it in the +3 to+5 range (because I think his mind will turn off and quit if he gets to the +6 to +7 range.)
That was why I like Ogilvy...hes normally rock solid, emotions wise.
SCUDSBROTHER
06-16-2006, 11:40 AM
If ever there was a track for that boring FURYK to win at,it is this one.The guy simply is unwatchable.Your mind will wonder.He is just simply the most boring player (to watch) who ever played this game.He is the king of hanging around like algae,and that attribute will do you much good at this track.
If ever there was a track for that boring FURYK to win at,it is this one.The guy simply is unwatchable.Your mind will wonder.He is just simply the most boring player (to watch) who ever played this game.He is the king of hanging around like algae,and that attribute will do you much good at this track.
I love him on this track, but I needed better than 8-1 on him.
SCUDSBROTHER
06-16-2006, 11:46 AM
I love him on this track, but I needed better than 8-1 on him.
Yea,I can't bet that algae,but his whole game is about hanging around for a top 5/10,and that can easily become the winner here.
SCUDSBROTHER
06-16-2006, 11:55 AM
Nice to see Striker playing well.Reminds me of a 80k claimer running for 6,250.It ain't about whether the thing is gunna fall apart,but when it will do that. Unfortunately,he is mentally diseased.Not a thing wrong with his game.
SCUDSBROTHER
06-16-2006, 12:17 PM
Howell doubled the par 3 7th hole.LOL..Not tough enough (mentally) to hang in there.Got frustrated,and the swing was that of a 5 year old.He will have many more chances to win a major.
SCUDSBROTHER
06-16-2006, 12:38 PM
Lost 7 shots in 7 holes.No better(mentally)than a weekend hacker.This is the same guy that looked Tiger in the eye in China,and simply would not give an inch? English papers will crucify this guy.
horseofcourse
06-16-2006, 08:46 PM
Nice to see Striker playing well.Reminds me of a 80k claimer running for 6,250.It ain't about whether the thing is gunna fall apart,but when it will do that. Unfortunately,he is mentally diseased.Not a thing wrong with his game.
Stricker's always been a good player. Golf was never a top priority with him. Even full time he never played an overabundance of events and when his wife started having kids and stopped caddying for him, I think his interest waned further. He's playing very well this year. Doesn't have his full time card the last two years and has made about 600 grand on tour this year in only 5 events and he ran away with the sectional qualifier in Chicago shooting something like 63. He's loaded with top 10 finishes in majors. A top 10 in the Masters, two top 5's in the US Open and a 2nd at the PGA. Winning the World Match Play is nice as well even though the field was depleted for the event that year when it was held in Australia. He beat some nice players in that event including Harrington amongst others.
But a guy with multiple PGA tour wins, several top 10s in majors, 9 million in career earnings is hardly an 80k claimer. It is likely he'll fall apart, but I think he is a more likely major winner than Ben Curtis and Todd Hamilton were. You never know.
SCUDSBROTHER
06-17-2006, 04:44 AM
Stricker's always been a good player. Golf was never a top priority with him. Even full time he never played an overabundance of events and when his wife started having kids and stopped caddying for him, I think his interest waned further. He's playing very well this year. Doesn't have his full time card the last two years and has made about 600 grand on tour this year in only 5 events and he ran away with the sectional qualifier in Chicago shooting something like 63. He's loaded with top 10 finishes in majors. A top 10 in the Masters, two top 5's in the US Open and a 2nd at the PGA. Winning the World Match Play is nice as well even though the field was depleted for the event that year when it was held in Australia. He beat some nice players in that event including Harrington amongst others.
But a guy with multiple PGA tour wins, several top 10s in majors, 9 million in career earnings is hardly an 80k claimer. It is likely he'll fall apart, but I think he is a more likely major winner than Ben Curtis and Todd Hamilton were. You never know.
Well,he has talent.Guy lost his card because he was mentally weak.I remember when it happened.He needed to make the cut at the last full field event,and couldn't do it.He said he didn't know what to say.Said he wasn't going to Tour School though.So,this stuff about not being able to play that much is B.S.The guy refused to simply go get his card back at Q SCHOOL.OBVIOUSLY NOTHING HAS BEEN WRONG WITH HIS GAME,and he is getting some confidence back.I will be happy for him if he wins,but the reason he lost his card was blamed on poor driving.So,now he wins on the most demanding driving set up they play?DOUBT IT,BUT yes.I would like to see him win it.
SCUDSBROTHER
06-17-2006, 04:51 AM
"Golf was never a top priority with him. Even full time he never played an overabundance of events and when his wife started having kids and stopped caddying for him, I think his interest waned further."
Again..mentally weak.Look at this guy named Brant Jobe.Plenty of game.Mental weakling though.How can you shoot that well that often,and continually go away on the weekend? Amazing.
SCUDSBROTHER
06-17-2006, 03:52 PM
Hang in there ya fat Ferrie.
SCUDSBROTHER
06-17-2006, 06:11 PM
Stricker's always been a good player. Golf was never a top priority with him. Even full time he never played an overabundance of events and when his wife started having kids and stopped caddying for him, I think his interest waned further. He's playing very well this year. Doesn't have his full time card the last two years and has made about 600 grand on tour this year in only 5 events and he ran away with the sectional qualifier in Chicago shooting something like 63. He's loaded with top 10 finishes in majors. A top 10 in the Masters, two top 5's in the US Open and a 2nd at the PGA. Winning the World Match Play is nice as well even though the field was depleted for the event that year when it was held in Australia. He beat some nice players in that event including Harrington amongst others.
But a guy with multiple PGA tour wins, several top 10s in majors, 9 million in career earnings is hardly an 80k claimer. It is likely he'll fall apart, but I think he is a more likely major winner than Ben Curtis and Todd Hamilton were. You never know.
A 76 on Saturday. I know the mentally handicapped .
That was why I like Ogilvy...hes normally rock solid, emotions wise.
I believe this was after the first round...:cool:
Scuds...I put $$ on 3 players
D. Howell at 16-1 (clearly Europes best chance)
G. Olgivy at 18-1
C. Montgomerie at 20-1
18-1 after the first round I got this guy at....:D
Gander
06-18-2006, 07:47 PM
Nice Kev, did you have $20 on him?
I feel bad for Phil today. Even I cant say that finish made me happy. I didnt want to see the slob win but I didnt want to see him lose like that.
Nice Kev, did you have $20 on him?
I feel bad for Phil today. Even I cant say that finish made me happy. I didnt want to see the slob win but I didnt want to see him lose like that.
I don't like Phil, but I refuse to say anything bad about him today. The pressure in that situation is unreal. He played well all week, but just made a really stupid mistake on 18. After 50+ majors played and 3 wins, you have to know better.
pgardn
06-18-2006, 07:55 PM
Kev how could you possible put money on mentally weak players?
I mean for God's sake, its not like the ball ever rolls the wrong way randomly. The famous Scudsian sports psychiatry clearly states... Jezz Louise that thing could have gone many different ways??? Does it ever say that?
Does everybody in California listen too instructional I LIKE ME tapes?
A few jabs to the face to get the hands high, and then an upper cut to the ribs. Thats called ribbing.
horseofcourse
06-19-2006, 06:27 AM
A 76 on Saturday. I know the mentally handicapped .
Yeah, but he'll be playing in the Masters and US Open in 2007 with his full time PGA card back in hand. I wish I was mentally handicapped at the game as he is.
SCUDSBROTHER
06-19-2006, 06:41 AM
He has a ton of talent,but is a consistent choker.You wish you had his talent,and somebody else's mind.Guy wants to win that crappy Milwaukee open so badly,but chokes every damn year on that simple set-up on that muni course.
horseofcourse
06-19-2006, 06:49 AM
Well,he has talent.Guy lost his card because he was mentally weak.I remember when it happened.He needed to make the cut at the last full field event,and couldn't do it.He said he didn't know what to say.Said he wasn't going to Tour School though.So,this stuff about not being able to play that much is B.S.The guy refused to simply go get his card back at Q SCHOOL.OBVIOUSLY NOTHING HAS BEEN WRONG WITH HIS GAME,and he is getting some confidence back.I will be happy for him if he wins,but the reason he lost his card was blamed on poor driving.So,now he wins on the most demanding driving set up they play?DOUBT IT,BUT yes.I would like to see him win it.
FActs are he lost his card after 2004 season. He was 183,000 short of top 125, he needed to do a heckuva lot more than just make the cut. That means he needed to finish top 3 in last full field event to retain his card. He got in 21 events last year on past champion status, sponsor exemptions etc which is pretty much what he played with his card. His schedule when he was playing well in late 90s through 2003 was always 20-22 events per year. He did not play a lot then. He could have played more but he chose not too. He did go to Q school in 2005 as the longer you go without your card, the harder it is to get sponsor expemptions, so 2004 was the only year he didn't go to Q school and as I said he got into plenty of events as it was. He was like 3 shots short of qualifying this year.
I really don't know about his mental handicaps, but making 9 million dollars playing golf is really a nice mental handicap to have.
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