Super Saturday Play Along

[pointman]

Bel 1

$0.50-$100
1- 4,5,6,10,11
2- 3,8
3- 2,3,5,10
4- 1,2,3,4,9
5- 4

$0.50-$60
1- 4,5,6,8,10,11
2- 3,6,7,8
3- 5
4- 1,2,3,4,9
5- 4

$20W 11

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

heading out to w football gl hooves

Race #6 09/28/2013
Belmont
$2 Pick-6
# 1,2
WT # 1,3
WT # 1
WT # 1,4,6
WT # 1,2,6
WT # 8
$72.00

[herkhorse]

Belmont pic 5

4-5-6-10/35/2-3-7-10/269/4 48.00

good luck

[jms62]

Pick 5

$60

1) 4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11
2) 8
3) 3,5,7,8,10
4) 1,5,6
5) 4

[a_rookie]

Bel R1 # 8

[casp0555]

5$dd
28/8

[South Beach Luv]

Track Name: Belmont (BED)
Race: 1
Pool: P5
Selections: 2, 4, 5, 6, 9, 10/3, 8/3, 10/2, 3/4
Wager Amount: $0.50
Wager Total: $24

GL!

[casp0555]

Bel2 p4 .50
138
39 10
1568
4
$18
Using this phone sux

[pointman]

Bel 2

$20DD 3,8/5

[pointman]

Bel 3

$20W 5
$20DD 5/1,3

[pointman]

Great ride by Lezcano on Veya. :rolleyes:

Obviously he had absolutely no plan for the horse. Picked up right where he left off.

[pointman]

Reggie D at 3-1 as the favorite with 1 win and 7 seconds? Guess those betting him at that price hope the 5th time in this condition is the charm.

[ateamstupid]

Great ride by Lezcano on Veya. :rolleyes:

Obviously he had absolutely no plan for the horse. Picked up right where he left off.

Good Response was much-the-best anyway. Could that move have been any wider?

[casp0555]

Bel 4
$5 q box
3,5,8

[pointman]

Bel 4

$20W 1
$20DD 1,5/4

[pointman]

Good Response was much-the-best anyway. Could that move have been any wider?

Fair point, just frustration from me. No plan to Lezcano's ride, goes for the lead, chokes the horse back and lets the horses he challenged for the lead crawl along, gets stuck in nowheres land between horses and never has an opportunity to make a move. I just don't get that strategy.

Favorites don't get much worse than Reggie D right here.

[pointman]

My god, I can't take much more. What the f*** was Saez doing on the 1? Perfect post to drop right behind the speed and he takes back way behind the field.

How the f*** does the 8 get away like that on a speed favoring track? It has only been the entire meet. What a bunch of dopes out there. :wf:wf:wf

[jms62]

Same **** different day. Track Super needs to be fired at this point as he hasn't a clue on how to straighten this out.

[South Beach Luv]

Done at Belmont :wf, going to enjoy the rest of the races as a fan.

Track Name: Woodbine TB (WOT)
Race: 5
Pool: P3
Selections: 4, 8/1/3, 4, 5, 6, 12
Wager Amount: $1
Wager Total: $10

[pointman]

I am sick looking at how good the will pay is to Royal Delta on the pk5.

I should know better than to leave off a front runner with the way this track is playing :wf

[randallscott35]

Bridge Jumping in effect

[jms62]

Bel 5

$100 Show 2

[JimmyEllis]

Belmont Race 5

$100 DD 4/1
$60 DD 2/1

[casp0555]

AP3
.50 tri box
2,6,9,10
$12

[pointman]

Guess Mike Smith missed the memo on how the track is playing.

I wonder if Ed Stanco still thinks it is best not to supplement and take Princess to California

[jms62]

Wow for a number of reasons

[jms62]

Guess Mike Smith missed the memo on how the track is playing.

Alvarado didnt do Smith any favors

[JimmyEllis]

Woodbine Race 6

$50 ex box 4/6

$10 tri 1/4,6/4,6

[JimmyEllis]

Guess Mike Smith missed the memo on how the track is playing.



What did he do wrong? What's a scenario where he doesn't get crushed? Other than the 2 falls down.

[RockHardTen1985]

Belmont 6

$3 pick 3 wheels

1,5 with 2,3,8 with 1,3,6

1,4,5 with 2,3,8 with 1,6

$108

[JimmyEllis]

Woodbine Race 7

$20 ex box 3,8,13

Damn, wasn't the double to the entry @ BEL paying $30? edit: didn't matter -- a couple of well prepared animals by
Brown and Gold.

[jms62]

Bel 6

$50 DD. 4/2,7

[pointman]

What did he do wrong? What's a scenario where he doesn't get crushed? Other than the 2 falls down.

I am not saying that Royal Delta wins the race if Smith gives the right ride. Rather my point is that Smith did not give Royal Delta the best ride to win considering the pace scenario on paper and the way the track is playing. It is the same point I made on Traver's day about some of his rides that 10 pint whatever jumped down my throat for.

Clearly, Royal Delta's best chance of winning was to go straight to the lead in the rail favoring part of the track, get as big a gap between her and Princess and make Princess come chase her. Instead, he chooses to put the horse in a position that has not worked out very well with how this track is playing. Do you really think Royal Delta could not have outrun the 1 to the lead if Smith wanted? He is vastly overrated.

Having said that, I agree that Princess was probably winning today regardless.

[pointman]

Bel 6

$20W 5
$20DD 5/3,5

[herkhorse]

Belmont 20 win 5

pick 3 5.00 5/15/123

[pointman]

And Lezcano does the same thing again. Do these guys have any clue how favoring the lead on the rail is on this track right now? He had Graydar outrun early. :zz:

[jms62]

You guys that bet Souper Speedy can't be happy with that ride.

[randallscott35]

47 and 1? You better win with that half mile. Unimpressed.

[pointman]

You guys that bet Souper Speedy can't be happy with that ride.

I honestly don't know what to do at this point. My frustration has reached a new level while my account goes into the $hitter.

Why do people think Lezcano is a great rider?

[ateamstupid]

Bel 7
$.50 PK4 2,3,4,5,7,8/1/2,3,4,5/3,6,7,8
$.50 PK4 2,4,5,8/1/2,3,4/6,8
$60

[JimmyEllis]

I honestly don't know what to do at this point. My frustration has reached a new level while my account goes into the $hitter.

Why do people think Lezcano is a great rider?

I've been wondering the same thing for years. I just don't get it.

Meantime, Boulanger runs out of ground, costing me a $92 exacta. Bad ride, after watching the replay. If he just stays outside, he's easily 2nd.

[herkhorse]

Fuc it I'll try SA

pick 5

4-9-12/6-7-9/6-7/4-8-11/1-6-8

[casp0555]

Bel 7
Pk 4 .50
3,5,8
1,3
2,4
2,6,7,8
$24

[pointman]

Bel 7

$1-$120
7- 2,3,4,5,8
8- 1,3,5
9- 1,2,3,4
10- 6,8

$20W 3
$20DD 3,8/1

[herkhorse]

:wf

Race #7 09/28/2013
Belmont
$0.5 Pick-4
# 1,5,8
WT # 1,2,3,4
WT # 2,3
WT # 2,3,6,8
$48.00

[jms62]

Bel 7

$10 ex box 2,7

P4 2,4,7,8/1,3/1,2/1,3,6,8
p4 2,,5,7/1,2,3,6/All/8
p4

[JimmyEllis]

Woodbine race 8

$40 ex 1/2,3,5

$6 tri 1,3/1,2,3,5/1,2,3,5

[jms62]

Story of my ****ing meet:zz::zz: how does he lose that race.

[pointman]

This should be easy, no way the 8 comes down, Justin Phillip got beat fair and square.

[jms62]

This should be easy, no way the 8 comes down, Justin Phillip got beat fair and square.

Yup Johhn V should concentrate on finishing the race he cost him the race.

[JimmyEllis]

He got herded just before the wire, Point. That's what got him beat. But they were both mixing it up and I could see where they keep the 8 up

[pointman]

He got herded just before the wire, Point. That's what got him beat. But they were both mixing it up and I could see where they keep the 8 up

I didn't think the slight bump made much of a difference and agree that they were mixing it up, agree the call is right.

[jms62]

I didn't think the slight bump made much of a difference and agree that they were mixing it up, agree the call is right.

He would have had a case if he didnt bump first.

[JimmyEllis]

I didn't think the slight bump made much of a difference and agree that they were mixing it up, agree the call is right.

We disagree. I think that horses just don't want to pass when they get bumped or carried out. They just can't stride out as fully as they would otherwise. But this bad news for JV. A couple of years ago he was the best finisher in NY and one of the best around. Now, he's behind Rosario and Castellano.

[JimmyEllis]

Woodbine race 8

$40 ex 1/2,3,5

$6 tri 1,3/1,2,3,5/1,2,3,5

$126

I'm laughing at myself

[pointman]

We disagree. I think that horses just don't want to pass when they get bumped or carried out. They just can't stride out as fully as they would otherwise.

I agree with you 100%. As you know I am the first person to go nuts on herding even when the drift out just intimidates a horse from passing (which I believe is an unfair tactic that is often used and never penalized).

I just thought in this situation the 2 came in first and that the 8 didn't really come back in and hit the 2 that much to have an effect on the result particularly since it was so close to the line.

Having said that, I have a great deal of respect for your opinions, particularly on herding, and share the opinion that it does shorten strides and often unfairly does not get called. We just disagree with the effect it had in this instance.

[JimmyEllis]

I respect your opinion, as well.

Belmont Race 8

$10 Pick 3 : 2/2,5/7,8

$40 dd 1,2 / 2,5

[pointman]

Bel 8

$20DD 1/1,3

[pointman]

I respect your opinion, as well.



I appreciate that, Jimmy.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that based upon the JCGC thread in the Paddock that 10 point does not share the same opinion. :D

[jms62]

bel 8
$50 DD 1/1,6

[pointman]

They let Laughing go 1:16 in a Grade I and they thought they could catch her? Wow.

[GPK]

Great betting race here in the 3rd at SA. 8, 12 & 14 all interest me

[pointman]

Am I crazy to think that Imagining is a huge overlay here at the current 11-1?

[JimmyEllis]

Belmont Race 9

$40 dd 2,5/7,8

Woodbine Race 10

$200 win #2

$30 ex 2/8,9,10

$6 tri 2/8,9,10/8,9,10

[pointman]

Bel 7

$1-$120
7- 2,3,4,5,8
8- 1,3,5
9- 1,2,3,4
10- 6,8

$20W 3
$20DD 3,8/1

$210.00

Bel 8

$20W 1
$20DD 1,3/8

[herkhorse]

Bel 9

20.00 DD 3-3

[jms62]

Bel 9

$50 DD 1/1,8

[jms62]

$210.00

Bel 8

$20W 1
$20DD 1,3/8

Nice point. Those are rare today.

[pointman]

Trying to rate King Kreesa. Just when you think the grabbing can't get worse. :zz:

And Little Mike gets me again. :wf

[jms62]

Trying to rate King Kressa. Just when you think the grabbing can't get worse. :zz:

And Little Mike gets me again. :wf

Johnny V nice job contesting the pace with a rabbit in there. His head is up his ass. Haviny said that these sure are some exciting races although i am getting a royal ass kicking

[pointman]

Nice point. Those are rare today.

Thanks, Jim.

I cash once in a blue moon despite my inability to understand race dynamics.

[jms62]

Thanks, Jim.

I cash once in a blue moon despite my inability to understand race dynamics.

It's easy staying in the paddock and acting like you kmow it all. In the selections thread you realize no one knows it all.

[casp0555]

Trying to rate King Kreesa. Just when you think the grabbing can't get worse. :zz:

And Little Mike gets me again. :wf

Me too....f&@k!

[GPK]

Arlington 8th
W/P #9

Belmont Late Double
6, 7/8

[pointman]

It's easy staying in the paddock and acting like you kmow it all. In the selections thread you realize no one knows it all.

:tro:

I don't know whether to laugh or cry as I watch the replay of Irad Ortiz strangling King Kreesa in the first quarter. I have to believe that he did not make that decision on his own.

Why run the horse if you are going to take away his deadly weapon? Who cares if you are chasing a rabbit, If you train King Kreesa don't you think your horse is faster and better than the rabbit? If you are not sure, shouldn't you side with using his best weapon? Why am I trying to inject logic here?

[pointman]

Me too....f&@k!

It's incredible. The whole Texas situation really sucks for you and anyone else there, it is absurd . . . unless they prevent you from wagering on days that Little Mike is racing.

[herkhorse]

Bel 10

10.00 DD 1-3-5/13

[pointman]

Bel 10

$20W 8
$20DD 8/10,13

[jms62]

Bel 10

$20 DD 8/2,6

[RockHardTen1985]

Belmont 10th
$100 win and place #2
$20 exacta box 2,8
$240 total

[pointman]

I am at a loss for words. :zz:

[jms62]

JFC:zz:

[ateamstupid]

What a shitshow.

[jms62]

Look at my double in the 9th. If i had half a brain would have gotten something down on the 1.

[jms62]

this is like betting fairplex

At Fairplex when a trainer has an uncoupled entry both try.

[pointman]

Bel 11

$20W 10

I know I should have my head examined, but I don't think this field is very good outside of the 13 who is washing out. Taking a flyer on the 10 who should get a decent trip on or just off the pace and hoping for the best off the long layoff who looks like she would have beat this field before going to the bench.

[South Beach Luv]

Bel 11

$20W 10

I know I should have my head examined, but I don't think this field is very good outside of the 13 who is washing out. Taking a flyer on the 10 who should get a decent trip on or just off the pace and hoping for the best off the long layoff who looks like she would have beat this field before going to the bench.

I took a shot with the 6 8 on top of 1 5 6 8 in an exacta. GL.

[pointman]

I took a shot with the 6 8 on top of 1 5 6 8 in an exacta. GL.

Race looks like a crapshoot with a very vulnerable favorite in the 11. I respect Servis off the claim, but 7-2 on that horse is tough to stomach IMO. Worth taking a flyer on some prices. GL!

[pointman]

Bel 11

$20W 10

I know I should have my head examined, but I don't think this field is very good outside of the 13 who is washing out. Taking a flyer on the 10 who should get a decent trip on or just off the pace and hoping for the best off the long layoff who looks like she would have beat this field before going to the bench.

At least Franco used the horse's best weapon even if she got into a duel. All in all the run was not that bad off a long layoff. May be worth a look at a price next out especially if in a field that lacks speed.

[South Beach Luv]

Race looks like a crapshoot with a very vulnerable favorite in the 11. I respect Servis off the claim, but 7-2 on that horse is tough to stomach IMO. Worth taking a flyer on some prices. GL!

and of course the favs run 1 2. Don't think the 8 even finished.

[pointman]

and of course the favs run 1 2. Don't think the 8 even finished.

I have to watch it back, but my initial thought is that the 5 got a perfect trip. Stock Fund did what Stock Fund does.

[jms62]

Sa 6

$50 DD 4/6,7

[herkhorse]

Sa 7

12.00 Dd 9/34

[pointman]

Sa 7

$20w 5

[jms62]

Sa 7

$20 DD 6/2,3

[jms62]

Sa 7

$20 DD 6/2,3

Now my horses cant even get out of the fuking gate

[pointman]

Sa 7

12.00 Dd 9/34

Nice call on the 9, Herk! Got the trip I thought the 5 would get. Not really sure what Gomez' strategy was on the 5.

Good Luck getting that DD home!

[South Beach Luv]

Track Name: Santa Anita (SAD)
Race: 8
Pool: P4
Selections: 1, 2/3, 6, 7/6, 7/3, 5, 9, 11
Wager Amount: $0.50
Wager Total: $24

[herkhorse]

thx point!

CD 5

10.00 DD 6/256

[pointman]

Sa 8

$20w 9

[pointman]

Sa 7

12.00 Dd 9/34

Tremendous job, Herk! Congratulations, that is a sweet double. :tro:

What a ridiculous ride Garcia gave the 9. Clown time.

[South Beach Luv]

Nice job Herk :tro:

[herkhorse]

Thanks guys!

733.20

[casp0555]

SA9
$20 w 7

[pointman]

Beholder is a nice horse, but she is a huge underlay here IMO. She has never faced a group this tough. Even money?

SA 9

$20W 6
$20DD 6,8/10

[declansharbor]

SA 9

$20 Ex
7 / 3,8

$5 tri
3,7 / 8 / 3,7
3,7 / 3,7 / 8

$4 tri
3,7,8 / 3,7,8 / 4

[GPK]

F*ck I love Beholder :{>:

[pointman]

I was wrong on Beholder, but think that Authenticity may have won this with a clean start.

[herkhorse]

Race #7 09/28/2013
Churchill Downs
$0.5 Pick-5
# 5
WT # 1,4,5
WT # 5,6,8
WT # 1,3
WT # 5,6,7,8
$36.00

[declansharbor]

SA 10

$1 tri box

1,2,3,8,10

[pointman]

Stevens rode Mucho Macho Man with extreme confidence. With good reason. Impressive.

[pointman]

Sa 11

$20w 6