Tampa Bay 5th

[RockHardTen1985]

#9. I thought the trip/ride was brutal. I did bet the horse so maybe Im biased. Any opinions?

[golfer]

#9. I thought the trip/ride was brutal. I did bet the horse so maybe Im biased. Any opinions?

Unfortunately, on the TBD turf course, you will get a bunch of brutal trip/rides in every race. In this race, however, I think Horvat Clan is the horse you want back. This one was behind the 3 that finished on the wire together at the top of the stretch, and went inside, mostly because of how wide the others were, and was never clear through the stretch.

NBA Money did get a wide trip, but was closing well late, and probably would have won had the race been 5 yards longer.

Now, if you want to see a bad ride, watch #7 Papa Carlos from race 10.

[flipsal]

She pulled her stable down to Gulfstream, seems like the purse structure, and casino competion from south florida, puts this venue on credit watch???
Thoughts??????:confused:

[RockHardTen1985]

Unfortunately, on the TBD turf course, you will get a bunch of brutal trip/rides in every race. In this race, however, I think Horvat Clan is the horse you want back. This one was behind the 3 that finished on the wire together at the top of the stretch, and went inside, mostly because of how wide the others were, and was never clear through the stretch.

NBA Money did get a wide trip, but was closing well late, and probably would have won had the race been 5 yards longer.

Now, if you want to see a bad ride, watch #7 Papa Carlos from race 10.


Not just the wide trip... How about the big time premature move on the backstretch. Then turning for home the horse looks totally empty only to come flying again.

[Dahoss]

Not just the wide trip... How about the big time premature move on the backstretch. Then turning for home the horse looks totally empty only to come flying again.

There was no big premature move on the backstretch. He began pushing the horse when they approached the far turn and was following the flow of the race. He was certainly wide and the horse was an unlucky loser because of the way he finished up.

It almost looked like he was running in spots. He looked finished top of the stretch and then got into the bridle again and finished up fast.

Tough beat? Sure. But I don't know if it was rider error.

[RockHardTen1985]

There was no big premature move on the backstretch. He began pushing the horse when they approached the far turn and was following the flow of the race. He was certainly wide and the horse was an unlucky loser because of the way he finished up.

It almost looked like he was running in spots. He looked finished top of the stretch and then got into the bridle again and finished up fast.

Tough beat? Sure. But I don't know if it was rider error.


I thought he moved early and wide. He was last really early on. I agree though, spots is exactly how I would put it.

[golfer]

I thought he moved early and wide. He was last really early on. I agree though, spots is exactly how I would put it.

That was the flow of the race. Both the 8 and 10 moved at the same time, and they, along with the 9, finished 1-2-3. If your looking for a patient ride at TBD, you are shat out of luck. It happens once in a blue moon.

[clyde]

That was the flow of the race. Both the 8 and 10 moved at the same time, and they, along with the 9, finished 1-2-3. If your looking for a patient ride at TBD, you are shat out of luck. It happens once in a blue moon.

What do you think of My Charming Clyde in Tampa's 10th on Friday?

[golfer]

What do you think of My Charming Clyde in Tampa's 10th on Friday?

I sure like the name, haven't capped the race yet.

[clyde]

Entirely too kind, that's 75% of the battle.



So thanks so much again.

[hud8118]

ok everyone who has commented on the dec 10th tampa 5th and 10th races....many of those horses come back in tampa's 6th on friday...Papa Carlos off a bad ride in MC32 draws the 2 post with same jock....Cause I Said, the early pressured speed in the MC 32 race draws the 3 post...Purincat and NBA Money from the MSW 5th race on the 10th draw posts 4 and 7...throw in 2 more with decent races last in Whereintheworld from post 1 and Delivered from post 10 and 2 firsters who could be live (Yensen from Ness and Bugler from Proctor) and you have one of the most interesting and tough to figure Tampa races so far...would love people's thoughts on this race and how to bet it...my 2 bet back horses were Purincat and NBA Money but now not so sure

[golfer]

Horvat Clan FINALLY returns tomorrow in the 8th against NBA Money (and a handful of others).

[GPK]

Horvat Clan FINALLY returns tomorrow in the 8th against NBA Money (and a handful of others).

FTS Ninja Warrior gonna be awfully tough in there, and may be a nice price too.

[Dahoss]

FTS Ninja Warrior gonna be awfully tough in there, and may be a nice price too.

There are a lot of interesting pedigree plays in there. Tough race.

[GPK]

There are a lot of interesting pedigree plays in there. Tough race.

Yeah. Tough to take a short price on any horse in that race.

[Dahoss]

A few thoughts on the race.

Score One's dam was 6 for 14 on the turf including a listed stake at Tampa.

Chief Redneck's dam was 5 for 23 on turf, and was in the money in 9 other turf starts, winning over 100k.

Ninja Warrior, as Kev mentioned is bred very strongly for grass, being a full to War Monger, who was 4 for 13 on grass and won over 500k. He's also a half to Brickell who won over 300k on grass. Trainer has had success with Danny Coa riding.

Ransom Canyon's dam was 7 for 15 on grass and she was also a half to 6 figure turf earners.

Horvat Clan is the trip horse.

Soul of the Moon's dam is half to Marcavelly who won a couple of grade 3's on the grass.


Horvat Clan is the one to beat and if he repeats his last, he's going to win. I think the 2,3,4 and 5 are all interesting pedigree plays. I give the edge to Ninja Warrior, although maybe the board tells a better story. The real wild card to me is Score One. Sporadic works, but the kind of horse I've seen light up the toteboard. Very interesting race.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Just watched the replay - how in the hell Goncalves not only doesn't go ass over teakettle into the rail coming out of the chute, but manages a closing 4th is beyond any plausible explanation. Well bred firster mentioned by Hossy (Ransom Canyon) gets it done @ 8-1.

[Bigsmc]

Just watched the replay - how in the hell Goncalves not only doesn't go ass over teakettle into the rail coming out of the chute, but manages a closing 4th is beyond any plausible explanation. Well bred firster mentioned by Hossy (Ransom Canyon) gets it done @ 8-1.

Credit to Goncalves for getting back in the irons and persisting with the horse. Many would have stopped riding at that moment and rushed back to the room to change their drawers.

That said, I hope Ian Wilkes keeps NBA Money at the MSW level. He has the look of a longtime maiden, unless he gets some class relief soon. He is running just well enough to take money, which are the types I love to play against.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Credit to Goncalves for getting back in the irons and persisting with the horse. Many would have stopped riding at that moment and rushed back to the room to change their drawers.

That said, I hope Ian Wilkes keeps NBA Money at the MSW level. He has the look of a longtime maiden, unless he gets some class relief soon. He is running just well enough to take money, which are the types I love to play against.

I dunno, Mike - I may beg to differ - I'm betting that cost him dearly...took him completely out of his game and spotted the field 6-8 lengths, still managed to rally, finishing better than anyone else (covering ground-wise)... I was thinking the opposite, he has the look of a career MSW lifer on paper and will be over looked next time out, but I'm thinking he's worth using at a nice price next time

[Bigsmc]

I dunno, Mike - I may beg to differ - I'm betting that cost him dearly...took him completely out of his game and spotted the field 6-8 lengths, still managed to rally, finishing better than anyone else (covering ground-wise)... I was thinking the opposite, he has the look of a career MSW lifer on paper and will be over looked next time out, but I'm thinking he's worth using at a nice price next time

He will not be overlooked next out, unless there are a couple beasts in against him. If he runs against the same type group, he will be one of the favorites.

It's not like he has any speed. The bump knocked him back to last where he was probably going to end up anyway. It's a sucker trouble line when a horse that has no speed gets bothered at the start. He made the same closing move on Dec 10 and the public jumped on him the next out where he couldn't hit the board against arguably a slightly better group that the previous race. The competition is only going to get tougher as some of the late bloomers hit the track, then soon enough, he'll have to beat older horses too.

Speaking in Beyer terms as that seems to be the most common way to compare. He got a 50 for his efforts yesterday so in his three tries at Tampa, he is going backwards from a 59 to a 54 to a troubled 50. You aren't winning a straight 3yr old MSW at Tampa running in the 50's. Closing kick or not.

Unless he gets some class relief, he is not getting a dime of my money.

[Rudeboyelvis]

He will not be overlooked next out, unless there are a couple beasts in against him. If he runs against the same type group, he will be one of the favorites.

It's not like he has any speed. The bump knocked him back to last where he was probably going to end up anyway. It's a sucker trouble line when a horse that has no speed gets bothered at the start. He made the same closing move on Dec 10 and the public jumped on him the next out where he couldn't hit the board against arguably a slightly better group that the previous race. The competition is only going to get tougher as some of the late bloomers hit the track, then soon enough, he'll have to beat older horses too.

Speaking in Beyer terms as that seems to be the most common way to compare. He got a 50 for his efforts yesterday so in his three tries at Tampa, he is going backwards from a 59 to a 54 to a troubled 50. You aren't winning a straight 3yr old MSW at Tampa running in the 50's. Closing kick or not.

Unless he gets some class relief, he is not getting a dime of my money.

Trakus has him moving the 2nd best (to the eventual winner) @ the 7/8th and tiring in the last 1/8th covering 16 more ft than the winner - anyone's guess what that took out of him...Horvat Clan covered 21 more ft and was beaten a length, so that would be another "bad trip type" bet back, though probably no price on him...It will be interesting to see both of them run back - I'll be using both :p

Also worth noting - Chief Redneck, 3rd beaten 1 1/4 lengths - covered 11 less ft than the winner

There is my toss next time he runs

[Dahoss]

Trakus has him moving the 2nd best (to the eventual winner) @ the 7/8th and tiring in the last 1/8th covering 16 more ft than the winner - anyone's guess what that took out of him...Horvat Clan covered 21 more ft and was beaten a length, so that would be another "bad trip type" bet back, though probably no price on him...It will be interesting to see both of them run back - I'll be using both :p

Also worth noting - Chief Redneck, 3rd beaten 1 1/4 lengths - covered 11 less ft than the winner

There is my toss next time he runs

I actually like Chief Redneck going forward. Being hounded by a 60 something to 1 horse a few times, while making his first start going two turns, I thought he ran well. He didn't pack it in either, he fought a bit.

I even think Score One might be worth watching next time because he was the horse that bumped with NBA Money. At the very least you know Score One is going to be a price next time.

[Bigsmc]

After his afternoon swim with Leandro Goncalves on friday :eek:, Exacta Bob reports that Goncalves is still pissed at Mike Allen for running him into the rail.

[golfer]

After his afternoon swim with Leandro Goncalves on friday :eek:, Exacta Bob reports that Goncalves is still pissed at Mike Allen for running him into the rail.

That may be just a little Creepy

[GPK]

That may be just a little Creepy

May?

[Bigsmc]

May?

It's very creepy. That's why I posted it. The thought of Exacta Bob and Goncalves chatting about the days races and future races in the shallow end of the pool is one of the funniest things ever.

For the record, Goncalves showed why he is a jockey and not a trainer by telling Exacta Bob that he didn't know why Ness was bringing Wiki back so quickly on Saturday. I guess he knows why now.

[GPK]

It's very creepy. That's why I posted it. The thought of Exacta Bob and Goncalves chatting about the days races and future races in the shallow end of the pool is one of the funniest things ever.

For the record, Goncalves showed why he is a jockey and not a trainer by telling Exacta Bob that he didn't know why Ness was bringing Wiki back so quickly on Saturday. I guess he knows why now.

Never...ever...





































I mean NEVER....










































doubt the Ness juice.

[Bigsmc]

Never...ever...

I mean NEVER....

doubt the Ness juice.

You and I know that, I think Goncalves does now, after Saturday.

With 1 to 7 day comebackers over the last 5 years, Ness has 44% winners, 80% ITM with a $2.17 ROI from a 44 start sample.

[Bigsmc]

Also worth noting - Chief Redneck, 3rd beaten 1 1/4 lengths - covered 11 less ft than the winner

There is my toss next time he runs

Today's your day to toss.

[Bigsmc]

That said, I hope Ian Wilkes keeps NBA Money at the MSW level. He has the look of a longtime maiden, unless he gets some class relief soon. He is running just well enough to take money, which are the types I love to play against.

:wf:wf

He found the proper field. Firsters second and third behind him.

[GPK]

:wf:wf

He found the proper field. Firsters second and third behind him.

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