Honest opinions concerning paying for info here....

[2MinsToPost]

I take a good bit of the blame for helping create this "firestorm' that is selling picks. First, toss out your pre-conceived notions about me and my past. I'll go on the record here and now and leave this alone. I don't like it, at least on this site. Why, one might ask. Because I feel it is not appropriate from a marketing perspective. Let me expand for a moment and that is all -

I have a new site and am rolling it off the shelf. Things are taking off. Many, many new members, and many of those are posting on the forum, i.e., chat room (mind you I am not talking about a new site by me but rather this site). Now, this is my angle -

Joe blow come to find this site and starts reading. Suddenly, he comes upon the "pay for picks / info link. So he jumps aboard. Suddenly, he realizes that the person who is posting this info is also a regular on the forum / chat room on this board. Two possibilities exist at this point -

1 - This new customer (reader / poster) of the board discovers success thru the information that is provided by such individual at a certain dollar amount. All is well and no question word of mouth will do nothing but help propel the board to new levels of success as well as the person who is posting the info for sale.

2 - This is the "potential" problem in my professional opinion. The above new customer (member / poster) shells out the "amount" required to receive the above mentioned information by a certain individual and does not receive the expected results. So, this new customer takes his business someplace else in frustration.

It is a potential no win. This is a great site with so much potential and it does not need someone who has no people skills via the keyboard to turn away customers but rather a great forum for folks to discuss what they love and brought them here in the first place, Horse Racing. Mike is very brash on the keyboard and if he wishes to pursue his dream of selling his information I for one hope he does it not at Steve's potential expense.

Only your unbiased opinions and don't let my past posts on here and ESPN cloud your response. I don't want Steve to allow this in one way or the other, either a link or a first person endorsement. Just my thoughts. Yours?

[Scav]

Curt, will you just let sleeping dogs lie and knock it off. THERE WILL NEVER BE SOMEONE SELLING THERE PICKS ON HERE, I am sure Steve has told you this via PM....And it is a free F'n country, I don't have to buy them, neither do you. The message board is still going to be here.

Who gives a crap? What you still don't realize is that HOOVES was screwing around when he started that post, a JOKE.

Newsflash, when I am hot at the track, I tell my friends I am going to start selling them my picks, IN JEST or whatever the f'n word is.

Stop trying to cause more crap

[2MinsToPost]

Let me also just say I am not pointing the arrow at Mike but anyone who wants to sell info, on an individual basis.

[Scav]

How about I sell you a train ticket?

[2MinsToPost]

Curt, will you just let sleeping dogs lie and knock it off. THERE WILL NEVER BE SOMEONE SELLING THERE PICKS ON HERE, I am sure Steve has told you this via PM....And it is a free F'n country, I don't have to buy them, neither do you. The message board is still going to be here.

Who gives a crap? What you still don't realize is that HOOVES was screwing around when he started that post, a JOKE.

Newsflash, when I am hot at the track, I tell my friends I am going to start selling them my picks, IN JEST or whatever the f'n word is.

Stop trying to cause more crap

I am not trying to cause crap but rather an honest debate / conversation on this subject Tom. Which I feel holds some merit. This site is ready to take off and it is one that is time sensitive do you think not?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

I am not trying to cause crap but rather an honest debate / conversation on this subject Tom. Which I feel holds some merit. This site is ready to take off and it is one that is time sensitive do you think not?
listen sybil nothing you say holds merit.so save the drama for you momma..:cool: :cool:

[dr. fager]

I am not trying to cause crap but rather an honest debate / conversation on this subject Tom. Which I feel holds some merit. This site is ready to take off and it is one that is time sensitive do you think not?

I really don't see your point, you say you're a friend of the board yet reading you posts here and elsewhere to me seems you're just starting crap.

At one point you say you have the utmost respect for Steve, however after exchanging emails you still bring this up here. Hard to have an honest conversation when a big part was through email and I'd guess 99% of us are wondering what the heck your agenda is.

[2MinsToPost]

I really don't see your point, you say you're a friend of the board yet reading you posts here and elsewhere to me seems you're just starting crap.

At one point you say you have the utmost respect for Steve, however after exchanging emails you still bring this up here. Hard to have an honest conversation when a big part was through email and I'd guess 99% of us are wondering what the heck your agenda is.

agenda - none

topic conversation and debate in a timely fashion today - dead on

problem is I should have known better cause some would rather throw insults my way rather than some good honest conversation

[Scav]

I am not trying to cause crap but rather an honest debate / conversation on this subject Tom. Which I feel holds some merit. This site is ready to take off and it is one that is time sensitive do you think not?

No I don't. You are trying to cause problems when this issue has slowly gone away....Fact is this, Is this your website? if the answer is yes, you can do whatever you want. You could put a horse mounting a mare on the front cover and tell people they have to pay to see it. You could put me f'n naked on the front with a DRF and say "Got winners"

it isn't your site, I am sure steve will take recommendations and such, but all you are doing is causing problems, knock it off

[2MinsToPost]

No I don't. You are trying to cause problems when this issue has slowly gone away....Fact is this, Is this your website? if the answer is yes, you can do whatever you want. You could put a horse mounting a mare on the front cover and tell people they have to pay to see it. You could put me f'n naked on the front with a DRF and say "Got winners"

it isn't your site, I am sure steve will take recommendations and such, but all you are doing is causing problems, knock it off

Tom, not causing problems but rather opening up a line of conversation. If someone other then me had posted the same thread would you respond the same way?

I know what Steve said. I read it. Why would I DISRESPECT HIM TOM IN THIS WAY? Get a reality grip brother, no disrespect. I am opening up a line of communication and debate, not looking for trouble. You are stirring the pot for a change.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

a.talk about anything else
b. talk about anything else
c..professional opinion...you walked into a job and asked for vacation the first day..
cwhen you burn bridges the water gets a little deep...
get it ....

[Scav]

I am not even responding to this anymore...I REALLY wish there was an ignore feature on here....

[Scav]

Steve, I will pose nude with a DRF with the caption "Got Winners?" for the good of the team, if needed

[Danzig]

seems there is an echo in here.

echo echo echo

or you could say, same song, second (thousandth?) verse....

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Tom, not causing problems but rather opening up a line of conversation. If someone other then me had posted the same thread would you respond the same way?

I . Why would I DISRESPECT HIM TOM IN THIS WAY? , You are stirring the pot for a change.


you have got to be the dumbest person ive ever read on a message board..you already did when you went on the other board ...you need to be banned..working out the ol elbow again otis...dude thats your new name otis the drunk....from mayberry...lmfao...

[Exceller]

If someone could document his wins and loses on a daily basis and be a winner over a 60 day period I would buy his/her picks. None of this all over the place stuff though. Just the plays, how much and how much was won or lost.

[2MinsToPost]

you have got to be the dumbest person ive ever read on a message board..you already did when you went on the other board ...you need to be banned..working out the ol elbow again otis...dude thats your new name otis the drunk....from mayberry...lmfao...

and your posts are very well written and well thought out every time. thanks for your insight and honest opinions. I have yet to see you post a thread that showed some intelligence, i.e. a grasp of the english language. oh look at me, I have fallen to your level. my bag hooves.

[Pointg5]

Let it go Curt, Kasept has probably forgotten more about marketing than any of us will ever know...

I would never buy a tip sheet or pay for picks, but I would pay for information like trip notes, workout reports, or bias. This is a service that someone is providing either Hooves or Oracle, have worked hard to get that info, while I am friendly with them on the board and respect their knowledge and I am like a sponge trying to soak up everything I can, they owe me nothing and if I think they are offering a service that offers value when I am going to be betting large sums(for me) of money, it's well worth it. I have no connections and don't have time to watch every race, so whatever edge I can get is well worth it. Again, it would be info, not picks. It's no different than when I buy Thorograph, if I am going big, I will pay for the extra edge. This Saturday, I am going balls out(for me), we have $2 grand in the pot and we'll use every bit of it if we have to.

[Scurlogue Champ]

2min:

What gives with you acting like some diplomatic "opening lines of communication" gentleman one day, and then acting like some belligerent redneck the next.

The reason people don't take you seriously is because you act like a woman. One minute you are gravely serious and trying to be thoughtful, and the next you are a raging incoherent imbecile.

Even it out, man.

I usually don't say anything when you come with this type of ****, but come on!! Straighten up.

[2MinsToPost]

Yup, I got caught up in the emotions. Sorry Steve if you read this. Name calling is no longer my game. My fault for responding to those who felt it necessary to attack.

[Danzig]

I take a good bit of the blame for helping create this "firestorm' that is selling picks. First, toss out your pre-conceived notions about me and my past. I'll go on the record here and now and leave this alone. I don't like it, at least on this site. Why, one might ask. Because I feel it is not appropriate from a marketing perspective. Let me expand for a moment and that is all -

I have a new site and am rolling it off the shelf. Things are taking off. Many, many new members, and many of those are posting on the forum, i.e., chat room (mind you I am not talking about a new site by me but rather this site). Now, this is my angle -

Joe blow come to find this site and starts reading. Suddenly, he comes upon the "pay for picks / info link. So he jumps aboard. Suddenly, he realizes that the person who is posting this info is also a regular on the forum / chat room on this board. Two possibilities exist at this point -

1 - This new customer (reader / poster) of the board discovers success thru the information that is provided by such individual at a certain dollar amount. All is well and no question word of mouth will do nothing but help propel the board to new levels of success as well as the person who is posting the info for sale.

2 - This is the "potential" problem in my professional opinion. The above new customer (member / poster) shells out the "amount" required to receive the above mentioned information by a certain individual and does not receive the expected results. So, this new customer takes his business someplace else in frustration.

It is a potential no win. This is a great site with so much potential and


it does not need someone who has no people skills via the keyboard to turn away customers

but rather a great forum for folks to discuss what they love and brought them here in the first place, Horse Racing. Mike is very brash on the keyboard and if he wishes to pursue his dream of selling his information I for one hope he does it not at Steve's potential expense.

Only your unbiased opinions and don't let my past posts on here and ESPN cloud your response. I don't want Steve to allow this in one way or the other, either a link or a first person endorsement. Just my thoughts. Yours?

my unbiased opinion is you might want to think about the above in bold before you post any more of your supposed thought provoking, convo starting drivel.

oh, and WHY WOULD ANYONE hold all your previous postings against you? lol yeah, only shows your history, your track record.

turning over a new leaf? you've got a hell of a way to show it!!

[Danzig]

Yup, I got caught up in the emotions. Sorry Steve if you read this. Name calling is no longer my game. My fault for responding to those who felt it necessary to attack.


oh great. now the sanctimonious martyr act. oh so wronged 2 mins....

off to bed, hate to leave such excitement! puhhhlease.

[Downthestretch55]

Curt,
Take a deep breath, relax.
The folks that posted responses to your thread said some insightful stuff.
OK..
Take another deep breath, relax.

Nobody is out to "get you".
You "get yourself".

Don't keep putting yourself in these positions...PLEASE.

You only apologize later, again and again.
They responded cause they are showing you some "careing".
It's up to you to help yourself first, before others can possibly help you.

So, take a deep breath, relax.


AND THINK!!! Before the next time you sit down with your keyboard and start typing.

OK????



DTS

[Exceller]

If you were really good at making picks, why would you sell them?

[oracle80]

agenda - none

topic conversation and debate in a timely fashion today - dead on

problem is I should have known better cause some would rather throw insults my way rather than some good honest conversation


Will someone please escort the rambling gentlemen who has had way toomuch to drink off the premises?
Curt, please go back to AA and get help ok? I'm being very serious. You are a few sandwiches short of picnic these days.

[oracle80]

I willl bet we could raise 1 grand easily by offering to ban you if we raised that much.
Curt, get it together or get out. You are embarassing yourself, and all who know you. Put down the beer, and pull up a diet pepsi.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

if you really dont know what you have said and done to the nicest guy in the game....you need to dry out otis.....no one digs your music ..but yourself...thats as nice as i can be.... get help

[oracle80]

I picture this guy right now in a Nascar tshirt, marlboro hat, beer in hand, howling at the moon in his backyard right now!!!!!!!LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kasept]

If you were really good at making picks, why would you sell them?


Exactly...

[dellinger63]

Eldo,
How many times will you make a last post? Go away already. You remind me of a young version of a painter I know. No one will ask you for all that money you're sitting on, don't worry. Go take care of the babies left at ESPN. A new name and identity? Pathetic

[Downthestretch55]

Exactly...
Curt, Tomorrow when you read and think about the thread you started, you'll find that some are getting tired of it.
Are you tired of it yet?
It's getting old...fast.

Find a program.

[Kasept]

If I need to make a statement on this topic, I'll say that there is no intention or interest in "selling" handicapping information here.

This is simply an expanded version of the Yahoo! Groups version of Derby Trail with a more expansive and responsive Forum...

I plan to have a "DT Store" to sell really nice apparell and quality racing memorabilia, but any significant income generated here will be derived from advertising.

Steve

[oracle80]

I say we sell "this is my last post" t shirts!!!!!

[Kasept]

I say we sell "this is my last post" t shirts!!!!!

THAT is a funny line Mikey..

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

I say we sell "this is my last post" t shirts!!!!!
got to admit thats a good idea...

[oracle80]

THAT is a funny line Mikey..
Im serious, a picture of Otis the drunk at a keyboard above the line "this is my last post" Derbytrail.com It would sell like crazy.

[ArlJim78]

In this case, "this is my last post" simply means..Good Night!

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Im serious, a picture of Otis the drunk at a keyboard above the line "this is my last post" Derbytrail.com It would sell like crazy.
oh man ill buy a few

[oracle80]

Hooves I would seriously buy one, Im not kidding.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

id love to see pauliman wear one on hrtv......lmfao.

[oracle80]

Could we design one of those and like give em away as prizes for board contests? Otis with a cold one at a desk in front of a computer that says derbytrail.com in the background? WIth this is my last post underneath, Im not kidding anymore, I think its a great idea!!!

[dellinger63]

put him in a cage at saratoga and have him sign tshirts.

[oracle80]

put him in a cage at saratoga and have him sign tshirts.

LOL!! this might be a good idea!!!

[oracle80]

I could see a cool Spa get together coming up. Curt and Scav will definitely wanna hang out. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KonaNative]

I am not even responding to this anymore...I REALLY wish there was an ignore feature on here....
There is an ignore feature on this thread.
I even put myself on ignore and I wont remove it till I post a winner! :D

[Crown@club]

"2 - This is the "potential" problem in my professional opinion." by - 2mintopost,Eldora,Curt

He did not just say this?! Guy can't even hold a job, and he thinks he knows how to market and run a website? NEXT!!!

[Suffolk Shippers]

I say we sell "this is my last post" t shirts!!!!!

been laughing at this for awhile now lol :cool:

how about ones that say "I Brake for Byk" have a picture of the Bykster on the front?

[Danzig]

I say we sell "this is my last post" t shirts!!!!!


<snicker>

only if you have a pic of a baby sucking his thumb....

[oracle80]

<snicker>

only if you have a pic of a baby sucking his thumb....


LOL!!!
Zieg I was thinking maybe a baby with a budweiser can in his hand who is crying.

[Danzig]

LOL!!!
Zieg I was thinking maybe a baby with a budweiser can in his hand who is crying.


lol
seriously, that would be a cool t-shirt. or maybe along the lines of dennis the menace sitting in the corner with his teddy bear.....


on another note...how about a shirt with derby trail and then maybe list every derby winner on the back. that i would buy. most definitely.

[whorstman]

I really don't know the half of it, but damn, selling picks? Kasept aka Steve posts his stuff on a daily basis, he even offered to toss in a prize package for the winner of a "just for fun" handicapping contest. Wow, I think Hooves put it best with the "save the drama for your mama" post. Grant it, I'm a new guy and I don't know anybody from Adam, but seriously, like it or friggin' lump it dude. This site is an absolute juggernaught when it comes to free info and insight to racing. Jealousy and envy are bad.... um kay! Get a life and get laid already, WTF? You run the gammit of emoticons :mad: :( :eek: :confused:

[Suffolk Shippers]

I really don't know the half of it, but damn, selling picks? Kasept aka Steve posts his stuff on a daily basis, he even offered to toss in a prize package for the winner of a "just for fun" handicapping contest. Wow, I think Hooves put it best with the "save the drama for your mama" post. Grant it, I'm a new guy and I don't know anybody from Adam, but seriously, like it or friggin' lump it dude. This site is an absolute juggernaught when it comes to free info and insight to racing. Jealousy and envy are bad.... um kay! Get a life and get laid already, WTF? You run the gammit of emoticons :mad: :

Getting laid??? Whats that??? Elizabeth, whorstman says we need some action on this board, please put out for me ASAP ;)