New York Breds In BC

[randallscott35]

0-38.

[philcski]

0-38.

But how have West Virginia breds done?


It's a completely irrelevant stat in the current era. Just like when people said Funny Cide couldn't win the Derby- "geldings hadn't won since 1929 and a New York bred had never won". For many years, the NY breeding program wasn't very good. The horses were by crappy backyard sires out of cheap mares- and weren't generally competitive on track with KY breds or even PA breds. But now, as the breeding landscape has changed, more and more NY breds are by top sires out of graded stakes mares.

I would bet even money or less that a NY bred wins a BC race in the next 3 years.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Yeah Phil, where you're bred has little to do with anything.

How many of them have been a short price other than Fleet Indian?

You're talking about a lot of horses who had very little chance going in. She'sastonecoldfox types.

[philcski]

Yeah Phil, where you're bred has little to do with anything.

How many of them have been a short price other than Fleet Indian?

You're talking about a lot of horses who had very little chance going in. She'sastonecoldfox types.

I can't find a complete list... but probably not many. If someone has it, it would be an interesting study.

A lot more NY Breds in the past were bred like Fourstardave: by Compliance (winner of zero races and $1,599) out of Sex Appeal (unraced) rather than Friends Lake (by AP Indy out of a G1 winning mare) or Haynesfield (by Speightstown out of a stakes winning mare.) The chances of success at a Breeders Cup level were very, very low with that type of program. It would be like a Cozar out of a Mountaineer cripple suddenly rising up to win the BC Mile today.

[horseofcourse]

Oklahoma breds win.

[DaTruth]

Labreds usually aren't much, but one had a very good chance in a couple of Distaffs a few years ago.

[RockHardTen1985]

Labreds usually aren't much, but one had a very good chance in a couple of Distaffs a few years ago.


Rip to her.

[Indian Charlie]

Oklahoma breds win.

Lady's Secret is hardly your typical Oklahoma bred.

As for the other one, that's still better bred than your normal Nybred until just 6-7 years ago.

[Linny]

If Franny Freud had not been hurt she'd have been a factor in the F/M Sprint and she's by NY sire Freud, who has Deciphering Dreams in the Juvie Turf. Rightly So (F/M Sprint) is also a NY bred as is Silver Timber who is a legit candidate in the Turf Sprint.

[Pedigree Ann]

As for the other one, that's still better bred than your normal Nybred until just 6-7 years ago.

Cupecoy's Joy (f 1979) wasn't exactly chopped liver. Won the Acorn-G1, Mother Goose-G1, led the Kentucky Derby field for a long way until she wore out. Still finished ahead of Wavering Monarch (Haskell-G1) , Cassaleria (El Camino Real-G2), Bold Style (Rebel H) and Royal Roberto (Everglades-G3).

Mr. Right (c 1963) won the Suburban, Woodward, Santa Anita H and Dwyer, etc. (No grading in those days. People knew what the important races were, they didn't have to be told.)

Gander (g 1996) also dates to more than 6-7 years ago. He could run with the big boys.