11/6 (CD): Breeders' Cup Saturday (Post Draw Fields; ML's)

[Kasept]

JUVENILE TURF (1:50p)

1. Typhoon Slew (M. Maker/J. Leparoux) 15-1
2. Deciphering Dreams (R. Dutrow/R. Dominguez) 20-1
3. Mantoba (B. Meehan/F. Dettori) 5-1
4. Air Support (C. McGaughey/R. Maragh) 8-1
5. Master of Hounds (A. O'Brien/J. Murtagh) 9-2*
6. Utley (J. Gosden/W. Buick) 6-1
7. Willcox Inn (M. Stidham/J. Velazquez) 20-1
8. Banned (T. Proctor/J. Rosario) 10-1
9. Soldat (K. McLaughlin/A. Garcia) 8-1
10. Madman Diaries (W. Ward/J. Sanchez) 12-1
11. Rough Sailing (M. Stidham/R. Napravnik) 15-1
12. Humble and Hungry (I. Correas/O. Peslier) 20-1
13. Pluck (T. Pletcher/G. Gomez) 6-1



SPRINT (2:30p)

1. Big Drama (D. Fawkes/E. Coa) 7-2
2. Girolamo (S. bin Suroor/A. Garcia) 3-1*
3. Wise Dan (C. Lopresti/R. Bejarano) 10-1
4. Hamazing Destiny (W. Lukas/J. Rosario) 20-1
5. Smiling Tiger (J. Bonde/R. Baze) 6-1
6. Pashito the Che (S. Lake/J. Castellano) 15-1
7. Kinsale King (C. O'Callaghan/M. Garcia) 8-1
8. Cash Refund (S. Margolis/J. Velazquez) 20-1
9. Supreme Summit (D. O'Neill/G. Gomez) 15-1
10. Riley Tucker (S. Asmussen/R. Dominguez) 8-1
11. Atta Boy Roy (V. Lund/C. Borel) 12-1
12. Warrior's Reward (I. Wilkes/J. Leparoux) 12-1



TURF SPRINT (3:15p)

1. Chamberlain Bridge (B. Calhoun/J. Theriot) 6-1
2. Central City (R. Werner/R. Albarado) 12-1
3. Stradivinsky (R. Dutrow/J. Velazquez) 10-1
4. Unzip Me (M. Jones/R. Bejarano) 8-1
5. Silver Timber (C. Brown/J. Leparoux) 4-1*
6. Waveline (B. Cecil/F. Dettori) 20-1
7. Bridgetown (K. McPeek/E. Trujillo) 12-1
8. Quick Enough (D. O'Neill/P. Valenzuela) 8-1
9. Rose Catherine (T. Pletcher/J. Castellano) 6-1
10. Due Date (S. Margolis/G. Gomez) 15-1
11. Grand Adventure (M. Frostad/P. Husbands) 12-1
12. California Flag (B. Koriner/V. Espinoza) 12-1
13. Tropic Storm (C. Dollase/D. Flores) 15-1
14. Canadian Ballet (L. Rice/K. Desormeaux) 20-1
AE-15. Yield Bogey (P. Kelly/J-L. Samyn) 50-1



JUVENILE (3:55p)

1. Biondetti (S. bin Suroor/A. Ajtebi) 12-1
2. Boys At Tosconova (R. Dutrow/R. Dominguez) 5-2
3. J. B.'s Thunder (A. Stall/S. Bridgmohan) 12-1
4. J P's Gusto (D. Hofmans/P. Valenzuela) 10-1
5. Riveting Reason (M. Cho/V. Espinoza) 30-1
6. Stay Thirsty (T. Pletcher/J. Castellano) 8-1
7. Uncle Mo (T. Pletcher/J. Velazquez) 7-5*
8. Murjan (J. Suarez/R. Bejarano) 30-1
9. Rogue Romance (K. McPeek/J. Leparoux) 30-1
10. Jaycito (M. Mitchell/M. Smith) 8-1



MILE (4:40p)

1. Beethoven (O'Brien/J. Murtagh) 20-1
2. Society's Chairman (Attfield/J. Leparoux) 20-1
3. Gio Ponti (C. Clement/R. Dominguez) 4-1
4. Court Vision (R. Dutrow/R. Albarado) 12-1
5. Delegator (S. bin Suroor/F. Dettori) 12-1
6. Paco Boy (R. Hannon/R. Moore) 6-1
7. The Usual Q. T. (J. Cassidy/V. Espinoza) 15-1
8. Get Stormy (T. Bush/J. Castellano) 20-1
9. Sidney's Candy (J. Sadler/J. Rosario) 10-1
10. Goldikova (F. Head/O. Peslier) 6-5*
11. Proviso (B. Mott/M. Smith) 12-1



DIRT MILE (5:20p)

1. Dakota Phone (J. Hollendorfer/P. Valenzuela) 30-1
2. Tizway (J. Bond/R. Maragh) 6-1
3. Aikenite (T. Pletcher/G. Gomez) 50-1
4. Mad Flatter (J. Thornbury/J. Court) 12-1
5. Here Comes Ben (C. Lopresti/A. Solis) 6-1
6. Gayego (S. bin Suroor/A. Garcia) 6-1
7. Thiskyhasnolimit (S. Asmussen/S. Bridgmohan) 10-1
8. Crown of Thorns (R. Mandella/R. Bejarano) 4-1
9. Hurricane Ike (J. Sadler/C. Borel) 20-1
10. Morning Line (N. Zito/J. Castellano) 7-2*
11. Mine That Bird (W. Lukas/M. Smith) 20-1
12. Vineyard Haven (S. bin Suroor/A. Garcia) 10-1
13. Cool Coal Man (N. Zito/J. Leparoux) 20-1



TURF (6:00p)

1. Champ Pegasus (R. Mandella/J. Rosario) 10-1
2. Winchester (C. Clement/C. Velasquez) 8-1
3. Telling (S. Hobby/J. Castellano) 20-1
4. Debussy (J. Gosden/W. Buick) 10-1
5. Al Khali (B. Mott/J. Leparoux) 10-1
6. Workforce (M. Stoute/R. Moore) 7-5
7. Behkabad (J. Roget/C. Lemaire) 9-5
8. Dangerous Midge (B. Meehan/F. Dettori) 12-1



CLASSIC (6:45p)

1. Quality Road (T. Pletcher/J. Velazquez) 5-1
2. Paddy O'Prado (D. Romans/Kent Desormeaux) 15-1
3. Haynesfield (S. Asmussen/R. Dominguez) 12-1
4. First Dude (D. Romans/R. Albarado) 15-1
5. Blame (A. Stall/G. Gomez) 9-2
6. Fly Down (N. Zito/J. Leparoux) 15-1
7. Musket Man (D. Ryan/R. Maragh) 20-1
8. Zenyatta (J. Sherriffs/M. Smith) 8-5
9. Pleasant Prince (W. Ward/J. Rosario) 30-1
10. Etched (K. McLaughlin/A. Garcia) 30-1
11. Espoir City (T. Sato) 20-1
12. Lookin At Lucky (B. Baffert/M. Garcia) 6-1

[Betsy]

I'm very surprised that Biondetti's first preference is for the Juvenile and not the Juvy Turf.

[tjfla]

Steve,Get Stormy is in the Mile not Get Serious

I also got a question? In the Classic,Crown of Thorns and Dakota Phone are both entered in the field(as a 2nd choice) does this mean if they want in they are in?

Biondetti and Rogue Romance 1st choice is the Dirt but both made it into the Turf as well

Gio Ponti 1st choice is the Classic with Morning Line 1st Pref and PP 2nd Pref

[tjfla]

Here is the thing from the BC site

http://www.breederscup360.com/breeders-cup-2010-preentries/#t2

[Kasept]

Does Biondetti in bold for the dirt Juvy mean that's their first choice? I was expecting him to go in the Turf...............but that's a huge field and he might not get in?

Biondetti was selected into the J/Turf field. He can run in there if Godolphin wants.

[Betsy]

Biondetti was selected into the J/Turf field. He can run in there if Godolphin wants.

Steve, thanks! I edited my post because I got clarification from the BC site.

I hope he runs in the turf - Unlike with Theyskens' Theory, who is completely bred for the dirt, Biondetti is a 1/2 to a bunch of graded stakes winners on turf.

[tjfla]

So what are they doing with Gran Estreno?? I mean Pleasant Prince:D Is Ramsey paying to run him or did they just pre enter him to say that he was pre entered then he will withdraw before Nov 2?

[Scav]

MILE (4:40p)

1. Goldikova (F. Head/O. Peslier)
2. Paco Boy (R. Hannon/R. Hughes)
3. Court Vision (R. Dutrow/R. Albarado)
4. Proviso (B. Mott/M. Smith)
5. Society's Chairman (Attfield/J. Leparoux)
6. Delegator (S. bin Suroor/F. Dettori)
7. Sidney's Candy (J. Sadler/J. Rosario)
8. Get Stormy (T. Bush)
9. The Usual Q. T. (Cassidy)
10. Beethoven (O'Brien/R. Moore)
11. Gio Ponti (C. Clement/R. Dominguez) -- Classic (*)


All the talk about Goldikova being challenged, not by this field, I don't see how she loses

[gamblin4ever]

All the talk about Goldikova being challenged, not by this field, I don't see how she loses

The only way I see her losing would be if Sidneys Candy gets early lead w/ soft fractions then pulls away second half of race and holds her off.

But I agree w/ you on her not losing.

[slotdirt]

You don't think Paco Boy has at least a chance? There are quite a few Euros out there that still think he's better than her in a sort of Affirmed/Alydar kind of way.

[gamblin4ever]

You don't think Paco Boy has at least a chance? There are quite a few Euros out there that still think he's better than her in a sort of Affirmed/Alydar kind of way.

Every horse has a chance but if goldikova runs her race, I believe she wins. Also doesn't Paco Boy want longer dist.? I don't know much about him, but thought I read he likes running longer, not sure though.

[Linny]

All the talk about Goldikova being challenged, not by this field, I don't see how she loses

Paco Boy (who prefers shorter in Europe) has beaten her and Proviso is a beast. It's better than the bunch she faced last year. Euros often get longer distances in the US because the courses are flatter and they usually get Lasix.

[Indian Charlie]

I think there are a few in here that can beat Goldikova.

[RockHardTen1985]

I think there are a few in here that can beat Goldikova.

Sometimes you just have a feeling, Im not tossing her....But I think she can be beat.

[Kasept]

Saturday now fully correct with un-selected horses listed in preference order and revised race order...

[Revidere]

No Dominguez on Haynesfield? Interesting.

[TouchOfGrey]

No Dominguez on Haynesfield? Interesting.

Isn't he riding Gio Ponti?

[Revidere]

Isn't he riding Gio Ponti?

I guess i should have looked again before speaking. Thank you.

[RolloTomasi]

Paco Boy (who prefers shorter in Europe) has beaten her and Proviso is a beast. It's better than the bunch she faced last year. Euros often get longer distances in the US because the courses are flatter and they usually get Lasix.

Paco Boy has never beaten Goldikova. He has faced her three times this year and had dead aim on her in the stretch in all 3. Even when he seems to be going better than her, she finds a little extra. At their best, he's simply not good enough to beat her. If he gets any serious action on the win-end it should be reminiscent of '88 when people starting raving about Warning as a possible upsetter of Miesque. He was up the track.

Proviso, if you want to get technical, has beaten Goldikova. She was 5th when Goldikova was only 7th in her French debut last season.

[RolloTomasi]

According to Facebook, Garrett Gomez is off Kinsale King and Martin Garcia is on.

[Bigsmc]

According to Facebook, Garrett Gomez is off Kinsale King and Martin Garcia is on.

I just had an Alaazo flashback....

[Princess Doreen]

haven't a clue
Atta Boy Roy
Silver Timber
Uncle Mo
Goldikova
Gayego
Al Khali
even though I really like LAL, I think the Big Z will get it done.

[my miss storm cat]

http://pdfs.thoroughbreddailynews.com/generic_upload/pdf/BreedersCupSaturday2010.pdf

[chucklestheclown]

http://pdfs.thoroughbreddailynews.com/generic_upload/pdf/BreedersCupSaturday2010.pdf

Thanks.

[Port Conway Lane]

The Classic is really shaping up to be a great betting race.

The hype about Zenyetta is only growing- which didnt think possible and this is going to guarantee great prices on just about anyone else. I know there are some players who go by the "picking winners" mentality and that the only thing that matters is looking backwards afterwards and concluding only the winner was a good bet. But for rest of us this is shaping up as a phenomenal value proposition. Not quite once in a lifetime but just a great opportunity.

There is a perceived hype on message boards and outlandish articles written by some but I have a hunch there is a silent majority just waiting to cash in on the value of the "other three" and many of those people are going to be disappointed. There will be value outside of the top four and I'm not convinced she will be favored come post time.

[Coach Pants]

Will someone tell me I'm crazy for wanting to single Here Comes Ben in the Dirt Mile?

[hockey2315]

Will someone tell me I'm crazy for wanting to single Here Comes Ben in the Dirt Mile?

I'm not singling him, but don't think that's crazy at all.

[pweizer]

Will someone tell me I'm crazy for wanting to single Here Comes Ben in the Dirt Mile?

I think he is the most likely winner.

Paul

[Indian Charlie]

Will someone tell me I'm crazy for wanting to single Here Comes Ben in the Dirt Mile?

No, but I can tell you other reasons you are crazy, if you'd like.

:)

[Coach Pants]

Any horse that can get to the winners circle 3 times in a row with Solis on board is what I consider special in this day and age. If I have to crash and burn then this is the race where I'll do so.

[Coach Pants]

No, but I can tell you other reasons you are crazy, if you'd like.

:)
:D

[hockey2315]

She'll obviously be under 3-1.

[pweizer]

She will be under 2-1.

Paul

[tiznowthegreat]

What I want to know is if she will be favored in p3 p4 and p6 pools?

[robfla]

What I want to know is if she will be favored in p3 p4 and p6 pools?


easily

[RockHardTen1985]

Will someone tell me I'm crazy for wanting to single Here Comes Ben in the Dirt Mile?

I dont like him much, not sure Ill even cover him.

[RockHardTen1985]

easily

L@L, will be crushed in those pools.

[Coach Pants]

I dont like him much, not sure Ill even cover him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9dI9U6RH9g

[RockHardTen1985]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9dI9U6RH9g

BEST SHOW ON TV.

[Coach Pants]

BEST SHOW ON TV.
Hard to argue with that. It's a fantastic show. Rick's Restoration show was pretty garbage, however.

[Port Conway Lane]

We will see. The odds on her last year were ridiculously low and that was on her home track. Because she won, the results focused players thought that made her a good bet, but her odds were crazy and think will be even more sothis time considering field is better, and will be on real dirt.

If she is anything under 5-1 (and I would think she will be 3-1 or lower) that pretty much guarantees overlays all around. Personally woulndnt touch her at anything under 12-1

Aren't all of the above reasons why she may not be bet as heavily this year ?

Last year the second and fourth choices were shipping in from europe and the third choice was the best 3YO who had never run on synthetics. There was no contender the public could embrace with confidence other than Zenyatta.
This year there are three strong contenders that people are more familiar with.
One of them consistently runs higher numbers than the field but does have some question marks concerning the added distance.

Another has defeated the first one, appears to have stamina based on his running style and will be at his track.

The third is an improving 3YO, proven on dirt, and the stablemate of a filly who gave the mare all she could handle at 1 1/16 miles.

There is a fourth horse who beat the second one at this distance but won't be taking his track with him.

It may be farfetched for me to believe that she won't be the favorite but choices 2,3,4 this year will be bet stronger than last year's group.

[philcski]

Will someone tell me I'm crazy for wanting to single Here Comes Ben in the Dirt Mile?

I am in love with this guy in this race. You're crazy, but not for singling him :p

[RolloTomasi]

Aren't all of the above reasons why she may not be bet as heavily this year ?

Last year the second and fourth choices were shipping in from europe and the third choice was the best 3YO who had never run on synthetics. There was no contender the public could embrace with confidence other than Zenyatta.
This year there are three strong contenders that people are more familiar with.
One of them consistently runs higher numbers than the field but does have some question marks concerning the added distance.

Another has defeated the first one, appears to have stamina based on his running style and will be at his track.

The third is an improving 3YO, proven on dirt, and the stablemate of a filly who gave the mare all she could handle at 1 1/16 miles.

There is a fourth horse who beat the second one at this distance but won't be taking his track with him.

It may be farfetched for me to believe that she won't be the favorite but choices 2,3,4 this year will be bet stronger than last year's group.

Bob Baffert does not train Switch.

And does this mean that last year's field did suck?

[Port Conway Lane]

Bob Baffert does not train Switch.

And does this mean that last year's field did suck?

My bad,thx for the correction about Switch.

I don't usually think any field "sucks".

It means that last year the choices bettors had other than her weren't as clear cut as they are this year. There had to be some apprehension about the (unfamiliar to US fans) Euro horses and who could wager with confidence on Summer Bird trying synthetic for the first time ? Familiarity and the proven quantity on this year's racing surface will make the wagering more competitive. More like the 2006 Derby.

[RockHardTen1985]

I am in love with this guy in this race. You're crazy, but not for singling him :p

What am I missing on him? I think Tizway ROLLS.

[Dahoss]

I think Hurricane Ike is a live longshot in the Dirt Mile. Was super at Churchill in the Trial. No shot in the King's Bishop off the layoff and that track and too far last time. Like the cutback and I've heard he's been working well at Churchill.

[analyizethis]

Because many of the runners from 2009’s Classic have stayed in training maybe we can use hindsight to judge whether or not the field “sucked”.

So how did they do?

Zenyatta, of course, has started 5 times with 5 wins; Gio Ponti started 6 times with 2 wins and 3 seconds (fourth in the Dubai World Cup), Twice Over had 5 group one starts 2 firsts, 2 seconds and a third, Summer Bird, Einstein and Colonel John all were retired, but except for the fact that Summer Bird was on the wrong surface I would content that they hardly sucked. Richard’s Kid had 2 grade 1 wins and a grade 2 win, Rip Van Winkle had 1 win and 3 seconds in 4 starts, Awesome Gem, Regal Ransom and Mine That Bird were the worse horses in the field and probably did suck and lastly Girolamo had a win in 2 starts this year and will be heavily bet in this year’s sprint although he was clearly in the wrong race in 2009.

So given that the race was on a synthetic surface (although not Zenyatta’s home track), I would conclude that the field didn’t “suck” but in fact was pretty good.

In 2010 on a dirt surface, I think that the field is better and the defending champion mare’s campaign this year really told us nothing about how she will perform that we didn’t already know last year. In terms of fair value her odds should be a little higher than the 2.8 – 1 (representing about 22.25% of the win pool) from last year. (By the way I believe that her odds were about right last year.) This year, although my handicapping isn’t complete, my guess is that she should be about 7 – 2 (or a little less than 20% of the win). As far as the rest I would say that Blame, Quality Road and Lookin at Lucky should all be between 4 – 1 and 6 – 1, Fly Down about 10 -1, Gio Ponti and Haynesfield 15 -1 and everybody else over 20 or 30 to one.

[RockHardTen1985]

Because many of the runners from 2009’s Classic have stayed in training maybe we can use hindsight to judge whether or not the field “sucked”.

So how did they do?

Zenyatta, of course, has started 5 times with 5 wins; Gio Ponti started 6 times with 2 wins and 3 seconds (fourth in the Dubai World Cup), Twice Over had 5 group one starts 2 firsts, 2 seconds and a third, Summer Bird, Einstein and Colonel John all were retired, but except for the fact that Summer Bird was on the wrong surface I would content that they hardly sucked. Richard’s Kid had 2 grade 1 wins and a grade 2 win, Rip Van Winkle had 1 win and 3 seconds in 4 starts, Awesome Gem, Regal Ransom and Mine That Bird were the worse horses in the field and probably did suck and lastly Girolamo had a win in 2 starts this year and will be heavily bet in this year’s sprint although he was clearly in the wrong race in 2009.

So given that the race was on a synthetic surface (although not Zenyatta’s home track), I would conclude that the field didn’t “suck” but in fact was pretty good.

In 2010 on a dirt surface, I think that the field is better and the defending champion mare’s campaign this year really told us nothing about how she will perform that we didn’t already know last year. In terms of fair value her odds should be a little higher than the 2.8 – 1 (representing about 22.25% of the win pool) from last year. (By the way I believe that her odds were about right last year.) This year, although my handicapping isn’t complete, my guess is that she should be about 7 – 2 (or a little less than 20% of the win). As far as the rest I would say that Blame, Quality Road and Lookin at Lucky should all be between 4 – 1 and 6 – 1, Fly Down about 10 -1, Gio Ponti and Haynesfield 15 -1 and everybody else over 20 or 30 to one.


Did you analyizethis?

[Scav]

I think Hurricane Ike is a live longshot in the Dirt Mile. Was super at Churchill in the Trial. No shot in the King's Bishop off the layoff and that track and too far last time. Like the cutback and I've heard he's been working well at Churchill.

My issue with Hurricane Ike is that his Churchill performance was super, but that was third off the layoff on a surface that he was suppose to relish, goes away after that slop effort like alot of them do, and really doesn't do much afterwards.

Mad Flatter is interesting to me. And Cool Coal Man, if ignored, has the numbers to be in the mix.

Although, if Tizway runs his last race, they are probably all running for 2nd.

[ateamstupid]

My issue with Hurricane Ike is that his Churchill performance was super, but that was third off the layoff on a surface that he was suppose to relish, goes away after that slop effort like alot of them do, and really doesn't do much afterwards.

Mad Flatter is interesting to me. And Cool Coal Man, if ignored, has the numbers to be in the mix.

Although, if Tizway runs his last race, they are probably all running for 2nd.

Tizway's probably the horse to beat, but if Crown of Thorns takes to the dirt like I think he will, he'll win. Beyond those two, this is the most wide open race on the card IMO.

[hockey2315]

The three logicals tower over the rest of the field in the mile. . . I'd probably use Aikenite if he got in, though. Call me crazy.

[Dahoss]

My issue with Hurricane Ike is that his Churchill performance was super, but that was third off the layoff on a surface that he was suppose to relish, goes away after that slop effort like alot of them do, and really doesn't do much afterwards.



I assume he had issues after the Derby Trial. I can't imagine the plan was to take 4 months off. I guess he really hasn't done anything since, but he wasn't in great spots IMO. He had no shot in the King's Bishop, against the horse that probably would have been chalk in the sprint had he not gotten injured. And I don't think he wants any part of two turns.

I think he has a shot to fall into a nice trip behind the pace. Tizway is a nice horse, but I'm not crazy about him at a short price and he hasn't exactly run well outside of NY.

[philcski]

What am I missing on him? I think Tizway ROLLS.

He's 7-5-1-1 around 1 turn (undefeated since breaking his maiden), loves CD, can handle multiple pace scenarios, and is one of the fastest in the field. What's not to love?

I'm concerned Tizway will get caught up chasing a crazy pace. Mad Flatter, Morning Line, Thisskyhasnolimit, Tropic Storm, and Vineyard Haven all have tons of speed. That leaves him two options- press with them and potentially get blown up or try to settle farther back which he's already proven to not prefer.

I will key Here Comes Ben with Awesome Gem (assuming he's a big price), Crown of Thorns, Dakota Phone (again need a big price), Gayego, and Hurricane Ike.

I assume he had issues after the Derby Trial. I can't imagine the plan was to take 4 months off. I guess he really hasn't done anything since, but he wasn't in great spots IMO. He had no shot in the King's Bishop, against the horse that probably would have been chalk in the sprint had he not gotten injured. And I don't think he wants any part of two turns.

I think he has a shot to fall into a nice trip behind the pace. Tizway is a nice horse, but I'm not crazy about him at a short price and he hasn't exactly run well outside of NY.

I also think he can get a piece at a nice price- of the 3yo's he's clearly the best choice.

[Bogey]

He's 7-5-1-1 around 1 turn (undefeated since breaking his maiden), loves CD, can handle multiple pace scenarios, and is one of the fastest in the field. What's not to love?

I'm concerned Tizway will get caught up chasing a crazy pace. Mad Flatter, Morning Line, Thisskyhasnolimit, Tropic Storm, and Vineyard Haven all have tons of speed. That leaves him two options- press with them and potentially get blown up or try to settle farther back which he's already proven to not prefer.

I will key Here Comes Ben with Awesome Gem (assuming he's a big price), Crown of Thorns, Dakota Phone (again need a big price), Gayego, and Hurricane Ike.



I also think he can get a piece at a nice price- of the 3yo's he's clearly the best choice.
Confirmed for the Marathon, I thought he was interesting in the Dirt Mile as well.

[VOL JACK]

Confirmed for the Marathon, I thought he was interesting in the Dirt Mile as well.

He could just be a lot better than anything in the Marathon.
Looks like he should be a square price.

[hockey2315]

One of the Euros is bred really well for the Marathon on dirt. He's not very good, but nobody else is either.

[tjfla]

Bloodhorse

Under consideration for a pair of World Championship races, Runnymede Farm team has decided to run homebred Rogue Romance in the the $2 million Grey Goose Breeders’ Cup Juvenile (gr. I) Nov. 6 at Churchill Downs.

[cakes44]

One of the Euros is bred really well for the Marathon on dirt. He's not very good, but nobody else is either.

I assume you are talking about Precision Break. He'll be taking my $$ here, though it won't be much in that garbage race.

[RockHardTen1985]

I assume you are talking about Precision Break. He'll be taking my $$ here, though it won't be much in that garbage race.

Thats my thought on the race... It sucks. Ill narrow it down to 1-2 horses and play some smallish pick 3's.

[VOL JACK]

Thats my thought on the race... It sucks. Ill narrow it down to 1-2 horses and play some smallish pick 3's.

man you love you some pick 3's.

[Bogey]

He could just be a lot better than anything in the Marathon.
Looks like he should be a square price.No doubt

[Fulla Sheets]

Isn't Utley a half to Rainbow View and Just as Well?

[philcski]

From DerbyMedia:
Chamberain Bridge (Turf Sprint) popped an abscess this a.m. & will probably skip his next scheduled breeze. Will return to track tomorrow.

Obviously a big deal as he probably will be a top 3 choice.

[hockey2315]

Isn't Utley a half to Rainbow View and Just as Well?

ya. . .

[philcski]

I know this is probably hyperbole because we all know what she is capable of, but Zenyatta looked just awesome in her work a few minutes ago.

[hockey2315]

I know this is probably hyperbole because we all know what she is capable of, but Zenyatta looked just awesome in her work a few minutes ago.

You kidding?

[Indian Charlie]

I know this is probably hyperbole because we all know what she is capable of, but Zenyatta looked just awesome in her work a few minutes ago.

Well, that cinches it for me, she's definitely HOY!

[Scav]

Anyone have any opinions on the Turf Sprint?

[Indian Charlie]

Anyone have any opinions on the Turf Sprint?

Yes, I do.

They should get rid of it.

[hockey2315]

Anyone have any opinions on the Turf Sprint?

Grand Adventure is the most likely winner.

Ravalo is the value.

[Scav]

Grand Adventure is the most likely winner.

Ravalo is the value.

I'm curious how you can like that horse at 5f. He is either gonna be 7 wide in the turn or he is gonna have to have fight through traffic.

I am not sure what price Bridgetown will be, intrigues me, but whoever I figure to be in the 2nd tier (out of three tiers) will be who I'll be using.

[Dahoss]

Anyone have any opinions on the Turf Sprint?

It's one of the few races I'm really interested in seeing the draw. I've looked at the race about 4 different times and I've come up with a different opinion each time. But, for now I'm interested in Central City, Rose catherine and Grand Adventure.

I'm sure that will change in a day or so.

[declansharbor]

Anyone have any opinions on the Turf Sprint?

Wouldn't play Chamberlain Bridge with monopoly money.

I also think Quick Enough can sit a good one and catch on for a slice.

[Scav]

It's one of the few races I'm really interested in seeing the draw. I've looked at the race about 4 different times and I've come up with a different opinion each time. But, for now I'm interested in Central City, Rose catherine and Grand Adventure.

I'm sure that will change in a day or so.

To me, for a spread player, it is an all race because the traffic trouble in this race will be plentiful, and I'll probably do that on at least a couple tickets.

Right now, if I had to commit to a couple it would be Silver Timber, Bridgetown, Chamberlian Bridge because they will have the tactical speed and still be able to finish.

[hockey2315]

I'm curious how you can like that horse at 5f. He is either gonna be 7 wide in the turn or he is gonna have to have fight through traffic.

I am not sure what price Bridgetown will be, intrigues me, but whoever I figure to be in the 2nd tier (out of three tiers) will be who I'll be using.

He's simply the most talented horse in the field when right. He's tactical enough to be where he needs to be and he was much the best when he lost to Silver Timber by a neck going 5.5f earlier this year. Like you said, the outcome of this race will be very trip dependent, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to take the horse(s) I think are the best or offer the most value just because I'm worried they'll get a bad trip. I don't know why Grand Adventure projects to get a bad one, though.

I don't really get the Bridgetown appeal at all. No horse he has beaten has come back to flatter him enough to suggest he can beat the top ones here. I guess you could say that the pace was a little fast last time and maybe the course was anti-speed, but isn't he going to have a lot more pace to contend with this time?

I'll probably bet Ravalo to win unless Grand Adventure is a higher price than I'm expecting. Then I'll use Ravalo, GA, Silver Timber and Central City in exotics.

[Merlinsky]

Did nobody want to put Calvin Borel on a horse in the Classic going 1 1/4 on a track where he's won 3 of the last 4 Derbies at said distance and Pletcher said he's good everywhere else but he's 5 lengths better at Churchill?

[fantini33]

I will be leaning on Warriors Reward strongly enough that if my opinion is correct there, and yet I whiff on all the other races, I will still make money.

[NoLuvForPletch]

From DerbyMedia:
Chamberain Bridge (Turf Sprint) popped an abscess this a.m. & will probably skip his next scheduled breeze. Will return to track tomorrow.

Obviously a big deal as he probably will be a top 3 choice.

Loved him in this spot as he should be 4-4 on the CD lawn. Obviously the abscess and missed breeze dampen the enthusiasm. Any update on his status would be appreciated. Thanks!

[Scav]

Morning Line as the ML favorite of the Mile. Battaglia smoking some strong stuff

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Did nobody want to put Calvin Borel on a horse in the Classic going 1 1/4 on a track where he's won 3 of the last 4 Derbies at said distance and Pletcher said he's good everywhere else but he's 5 lengths better at Churchill?

Who needs Borel when you can sign up Rajiv Maragh - and his $1.27 ROI in dirt routes over the last five years - from over 1,500+ total mounts.

Borel should be on something in every single dirt race.

[zippyneedsawin]

I can't seem to get to the last page of this thread.. so I figured maybe posting something would work.... let's see....

[Alan07]

Juvenile Male Dirt (3:55)
Post Horse Jockey Trainer Odds
1. Biondetti Ahmed Ajtebi Mahmoud Al Zarooni 12-1
2. Boys At Tosconova Ramon A. Dominguez Richard E. Dutrow, Jr. 5-2
3. J. B.'s Thunder Shaun Bridgmohan Albert M. Stall, Jr. 12-1
4. J P's Gusto Patrick A. Valenzuela David E. Hofmans 10-1
5. Riveting Reason Victor Espinoza Myung Kwon Cho 30-1
6. Stay Thirsty Javier Castellano Todd A. Pletcher 8-1
7. Uncle Mo John R. Velazquez Todd A. Pletcher 7-5
8. Murjan Rafael Bejarano Darrin Miller 30-1
9. Rogue Romance Julien Leparoux Kenneth G. McPeek 30-1
10. Jaycito Mike Smith Mike R. Mitchell 8-1

[robfla]

I can't seem to get to the last page of this thread.. so I figured maybe posting something would work.... let's see....

i had the same problem...fixed now

[Scav]

Morning Line as the ML favorite of the Mile. Battaglia smoking some strong stuff

I'm sorry for being obsessed with this, but could this be the worst ML in the history of BC ML's

The horse has never even won at 8 furlongs, and won a 5 horse Penn Derby.

He has to be banging someone at Churchill to be allowed to keep his job.

[randallscott35]

I'm sorry for being obsessed with this, but could this be the worst ML in the history of BC ML's

The horse has never even won at 8 furlongs, and won a 5 horse Penn Derby.

He has to be banging someone at Churchill to be allowed to keep his job.
Its Battaglia, don't fret it.

[Borntorun]

When will the Past Performances be available from DRF? They still have the advanced PPs on the web-site. Thanks!

[knickslions2]

I'm sorry for being obsessed with this, but could this be the worst ML in the history of BC ML's

The horse has never even won at 8 furlongs, and won a 5 horse Penn Derby.

He has to be banging someone at Churchill to be allowed to keep his job.

It should be good for you if you don't like that horse

[hockey2315]

There's no way Here Comes Ben and Tizway will be 6-1 either. Scav shouldn't be happy because the race won't be bet how Battaglia thinks it will. Morning Line should be like 8-1.

[ateamstupid]

It should be good for you if you don't like that horse

Why? What percentage of the public is going to bet according to the morning line? Battaglia's line is irrelevant, just fun to laugh at.

[parsixfarms]

Why? What percentage of the public is going to bet according to the morning line? Battaglia's line is irrelevant, just fun to laugh at.

A bad morning line helps in horizontal wagers if the horses that you like are considerably higher on the M/L than what their actual odds will be for betting on the race.

[hockey2315]

A bad morning line helps in horizontal wagers if the horses that you like are considerably higher on the M/L than what their actual odds will be for betting on the race.

Not really.

[knickslions2]

Why? What percentage of the public is going to bet according to the morning line? Battaglia's line is irrelevant, just fun to laugh at.

Ya but there are a lot of rookies betting these races and some bet based on morning lines

[ateamstupid]

A bad morning line helps in horizontal wagers if the horses that you like are considerably higher on the M/L than what their actual odds will be for betting on the race.

No, it doesn't. People are going to bet how they're going to bet, horizontal or otherwise. Morning line makes very little difference, if any. It's an estimate that goes out the window once the pools open, especially giant pools like these.

[parsixfarms]

Not really.

Happens all the time, especially with a lot of "casual" money in the pool.

[MinnSkinny]

Bump...

[Kasept]

JUVENILE TURF (1:50p)

1. Typhoon Slew (M. Maker/J. Leparoux) 15-1
2. Deciphering Dreams (R. Dutrow/R. Dominguez) 20-1
3. Mantoba (B. Meehan/F. Dettori) 5-1
4. Air Support (C. McGaughey/R. Maragh) 8-1
5. Master of Hounds (A. O'Brien/J. Murtagh) 9-2*
6. Utley (J. Gosden/W. Buick) 6-1
7. Willcox Inn (M. Stidham/J. Velazquez) 20-1
8. Banned (T. Proctor/J. Rosario) 10-1
9. Soldat (K. McLaughlin/A. Garcia) 8-1
10. Madman Diaries (W. Ward/J. Sanchez) 12-1
11. Rough Sailing (M. Stidham/R. Napravnik) 15-1
12. Humble and Hungry (I. Correas/O. Peslier) 20-1
13. Pluck (T. Pletcher/G. Gomez) 6-1

[Kasept]

SPRINT (2:30p)

1. Big Drama (D. Fawkes/E. Coa) 7-2
2. Girolamo (S. bin Suroor/A. Garcia) 3-1*
3. Wise Dan (C. Lopresti/R. Bejarano) 10-1
4. Hamazing Destiny (W. Lukas/J. Rosario) 20-1
5. Smiling Tiger (J. Bonde/R. Baze) 6-1
6. Pashito the Che (S. Lake/J. Castellano) 15-1
7. Kinsale King (C. O'Callaghan/M. Garcia) 8-1
8. Cash Refund (S. Margolis/J. Velazquez) 20-1
9. Supreme Summit (D. O'Neill/G. Gomez) 15-1
10. Riley Tucker (S. Asmussen/R. Dominguez) 8-1
11. Atta Boy Roy (V. Lund/C. Borel) 12-1
12. Warrior's Reward (I. Wilkes/J. Leparoux) 12-1

[Kasept]

TURF (6:00p)

1. Champ Pegasus (R. Mandella/J. Rosario) 10-1
2. Winchester (C. Clement/C. Velasquez) 8-1
3. Telling (S. Hobby/J. Castellano) 20-1
4. Debussy (J. Gosden/W. Buick) 10-1
5. Al Khali (B. Mott/J. Leparoux) 10-1
6. Workforce (M. Stoute/R. Moore) 7-5
7. Behkabad (J. Roget/C. Lemaire) 9-5
8. Dangerous Midge (B. Meehan/F. Dettori) 12-1

[Kasept]

MILE (4:40p)

1. Beethoven (O'Brien/J. Murtagh) 20-1
2. Society's Chairman (Attfield/J. Leparoux) 20-1
3. Gio Ponti (C. Clement/R. Dominguez) 4-1
4. Court Vision (R. Dutrow/R. Albarado) 12-1
5. Delegator (S. bin Suroor/F. Dettori) 12-1
6. Paco Boy (R. Hannon/R. Moore) 6-1
7. The Usual Q. T. (J. Cassidy/V. Espinoza) 15-1
8. Get Stormy (T. Bush/J. Castellano) 20-1
9. Sidney's Candy (J. Sadler/J. Rosario) 10-1
10. Goldikova (F. Head/O. Peslier) 6-5*
11. Proviso (B. Mott/M. Smith) 12-1

[Kasept]

JUVENILE (3:55p)

1. Biondetti (S. bin Suroor/A. Ajtebi) 12-1
2. Boys At Tosconova (R. Dutrow/R. Dominguez) 5-2
3. J. B.'s Thunder (A. Stall/S. Bridgmohan) 12-1
4. J P's Gusto (D. Hofmans/P. Valenzuela) 10-1
5. Riveting Reason (M. Cho/V. Espinoza) 30-1
6. Stay Thirsty (T. Pletcher/J. Castellano) 8-1
7. Uncle Mo (T. Pletcher/J. Velazquez) 7-5*
8. Murjan (J. Suarez/R. Bejarano) 30-1
9. Rogue Romance (K. McPeek/J. Leparoux) 30-1
10. Jaycito (M. Mitchell/M. Smith) 8-1

[Kasept]

DIRT MILE (5:20p)

1. Dakota Phone (J. Hollendorfer/P. Valenzuela) 30-1
2. Tizway (J. Bond/R. Maragh) 6-1
3. Aikenite (T. Pletcher/G. Gomez) 50-1
4. Mad Flatter (J. Thornbury/J. Court) 12-1
5. Here Comes Ben (C. Lopresti/A. Solis) 6-1
6. Gayego (S. bin Suroor/A. Garcia) 6-1
7. Thiskyhasnolimit (S. Asmussen/S. Bridgmohan) 10-1
8. Crown of Thorns (R. Mandella/R. Bejarano) 4-1
9. Hurricane Ike (J. Sadler/C. Borel) 20-1
10. Morning Line (N. Zito/J. Castellano) 7-2*
11. Mine That Bird (W. Lukas/M. Smith) 20-1
12. Vineyard Haven (S. bin Suroor/A. Garcia) 10-1
13. Cool Coal Man (N. Zito/J. Leparoux) 20-1

[Kasept]

TURF SPRINT (3:15p)

1. Chamberlain Bridge (B. Calhoun/J. Theriot) 6-1
2. Central City (R. Werner/R. Albarado) 12-1
3. Stradivinsky (R. Dutrow/J. Velazquez) 10-1
4. Unzip Me (M. Jones/R. Bejarano) 8-1
5. Silver Timber (C. Brown/J. Leparoux) 4-1*
6. Waveline (B. Cecil/F. Dettori) 20-1
7. Bridgetown (K. McPeek/E. Trujillo) 12-1
8. Quick Enough (D. O'Neill/P. Valenzuela) 8-1
9. Rose Catherine (T. Pletcher/J. Castellano) 6-1
10. Due Date (S. Margolis/G. Gomez) 15-1
11. Grand Adventure (M. Frostad/P. Husbands) 12-1
12. California Flag (B. Koriner/V. Espinoza) 12-1
13. Tropic Storm (C. Dollase/D. Flores) 15-1
14. Canadian Ballet (L. Rice/K. Desormeaux) 20-1
AE-15. Yield Bogey (P. Kelly/J-L. Samyn) 50-1

[philcski]

I'd love to know why the PP's aren't up on any site even though the overnights for both days have been out for over 6 hours now.

[hockey2315]

uhhhh ya

[VOL JACK]

I'd love to know why the PP's aren't up on any site even though the overnights for both days have been out for over 6 hours now.

I know...it's a joke.

[mbahadur]

Why? What percentage of the public is going to bet according to the morning line? Battaglia's line is irrelevant, just fun to laugh at.

12-1 on Provisio and 6-1 on Lookin at Lucky would be great if I can get those odds on Saturday.

[Kasept]

I'd love to know why the PP's aren't up on any site even though the overnights for both days have been out for over 6 hours now.

The PP'S not being out has nothing to do with the providers. It's a Breeders' Cup issue. And it seems to happen annually. The overnights release was premature as there was a problem late this afternoon. They are now officially out and likely getting processed by Equibase. The programs should be out soon.

[philcski]

The PP'S not being out has nothing to do with the providers. It's a Breeders' Cup issue. And it seems to happen annually. The overnights release was premature as there was a problem late this afternoon. They are now officially out and likely getting processed by Equibase. The programs should be out soon.

Agreed. You'd think the BC would want to get them up as soon as possible.

The providers are all tied into the same systems and they are losing revenue because of the delay.

[robfla]

I'd love to know why the PP's aren't up on any site even though the overnights for both days have been out for over 6 hours now.

drf formulator finally has Friday's card

[chucklestheclown]

JUVENILE TURF (1:50p)

1. Typhoon Slew (M. Maker/J. Leparoux) 15-1
2. Deciphering Dreams (R. Dutrow/R. Dominguez) 20-1
3. Mantoba (B. Meehan/F. Dettori) 5-1
4. Air Support (C. McGaughey/R. Maragh) 8-1
5. Master of Hounds (A. O'Brien/J. Murtagh) 9-2*
6. Utley (J. Gosden/W. Buick) 6-1
7. Willcox Inn (M. Stidham/J. Velazquez) 20-1
8. Banned (T. Proctor/J. Rosario) 10-1
9. Soldat (K. McLaughlin/A. Garcia) 8-1
10. Madman Diaries (W. Ward/J. Sanchez) 12-1
11. Rough Sailing (M. Stidham/R. Napravnik) 15-1
12. Humble and Hungry (I. Correas/O. Peslier) 20-1
13. Pluck (T. Pletcher/G. Gomez) 6-1

Pluck is 13??? Pluck...he's plucked.

[CSC]

BC Turf

Euro’s have the advantage here, Workforce, Behkabad and Debussy will be all the rage. All are possible but not liking their probable prices. A very interesting horse is Dangerous Midge, trainer Meehan has reportedly taken his time with him this year, form from his last is very cleverly disguised setting him up for a big race. I wouldn’t be surprised if he runs very well Saturday, best thing about it is no one’s talking about him. 10-1 and beyond is probable. I will back him with some confidence.

[Alan07]

Typhoon Slew out of Juv. Turf

[CSC]

Looking for Utley to get the Euro's off to a good start today.

[CSC]

Paco Boy opens at 9-1, Delegator is at 24-1. Euro's should stay home if they don't do a thing in the upcoming mile.

[letswastemoney]

lol at 9-1 on Mine That Bird...

[RockHardTen1985]

Quality Road is not who I thought he was.

[hockey2315]

Quality Road is not who I thought he was.

I tried to warn you, but obviously you can't judge him off of that performance. He's been cooked for a while. Still ran the best race of the year in the Donn, even if it was in the vacuum that is GP.

[RockHardTen1985]

I tried to warn you, but obviously you can't judge him off of that performance. He's been cooked for a while. Still ran the best race of the year in the Donn, even if it was in the vacuum that is GP.

Hes a POS. I thought he was as good as Ghostzapper.

[Coach Pants]

Hes a POS. I thought he was as good as Ghostzapper.
What? You're bullshi.tting right?

[RockHardTen1985]

What? You're bullshi.tting right?

I thought on occasion he has been as brillant, on occasion he has been the fastest horse since... I was thinking Todd had him ready to turn back all challengers.

[knickslions2]

I thought on occasion he has been as brillant, on occasion he has been the fastest horse since... I was thinking Todd had him ready to turn back all challengers.

QR is a nice horse. This was not the race for him. Would have liked to have him in the mile.

[RockHardTen1985]

QR is a nice horse. This was not the race for him. Would have liked to have him in the mile.

He would have likely been destroyed w/ the way that race was run. Just hoping Todd's ego is hurt a bit and we get to see him one more time in the Cigar Mile...

[RockHardTen1985]

They need to run Z in the Clark, Cigar Mile or that Grade 1 turf festival race at Hollywood.... She needs to run again and take HOY back.

[Port Conway Lane]

They need to run Z in the Clark, Cigar Mile or that Grade 1 turf festival race at Hollywood.... She needs to run again and take HOY back.

We're in the process of laying out her schedule now.
Donn,Dubai World Cup,Santa Anita Handicap,Hollywood Gold Cup,Whitney,Arc and BCC showdown with Uncle Mo.

[RockHardTen1985]

We're in the process of laying out her schedule now.
Donn,Dubai World Cup,Santa Anita Handicap,Hollywood Gold Cup,Whitney,Arc and BCC showdown with Uncle Mo.

Even if she gets beat 5x in a row I would run her till the day she dosent fire. If shes running big seconds and thirds I would push forward. I have a gut feeling she runs again.

[NTamm1215]

They need to run Z in the Clark, Cigar Mile or that Grade 1 turf festival race at Hollywood.... She needs to run again and take HOY back.

:rolleyes:

[RockHardTen1985]

:rolleyes:

Please stop... Next time finish your picks, who skips the biggest pick 3 of the year.

[NTamm1215]

Please stop... Next time finish your picks, who skips the biggest pick 3 of the year.

My selections were available long before post time. I might have been a little "slow" with them though.

[RockHardTen1985]

Not for today... The Mile, Turf and Classic never showed up.

[slotdirt]

Anybody have a BSF for the Classic yet?

[Coach Pants]

Anybody have a BSF for the Classic yet?
97

[CSC]

97

BC Turf

Euro’s have the advantage here, Workforce, Behkabad and Debussy will be all the rage. All are possible but not liking their probable prices. A very interesting horse is Dangerous Midge, trainer Meehan has reportedly taken his time with him this year, form from his last is very cleverly disguised setting him up for a big race. I wouldn’t be surprised if he runs very well Saturday, best thing about it is no one’s talking about him. 10-1 and beyond is probable. I will back him with some confidence.

Posted one full day before the race. Yep that was wrong. You are not only a liar but you are a clueless buffoon.

[Coach Pants]

Posted one full day before the race. Yep that was wrong. You are not only a liar but you are a clueless buffoon.
I had a winner on BC day too. The only problem is I put more opinions out there.


Congratulations on your only opinion of the day, sissy.

[CSC]

I had a winner on BC day too. The only problem is I put more opinions out there.


Congratulations on your only opinion of the day, sissy.

You seem to ignore my pick was a shout, whereas yours was a whimper. Nevertheless congrats, I only wish I meant it.

[Coach Pants]

You seem to ignore my pick was a shout, whereas yours was a whimper. Nevertheless congrats, I only wish I meant it.
Your pick was typical chickens.hit worried about what others think. You gave one horse and didn't post how you were playing the race in exotics or multis. Seriously grow a pair next year and go into detail in the selections forum instead of being a little punk b.itch as usual.

You have no confidence and it's understandable because you are garbage. Just need to work on not giving a s.hit about what others think.

[CSC]

Your pick was typical chickens.hit worried about what others think. You gave one horse and didn't post how you were playing the race in exotics or multis. Seriously grow a pair next year and go into detail in the selections forum instead of being a little punk b.itch as usual.

You have no confidence and it's understandable because you are garbage. Just need to work on not giving a s.hit about what others think.

You're picks are all over the place, they look like last minute touts. It's really hard to take them seriously when on the surface it looks like not too much thought went into them. I will give you this, you are willing to put yourself out there for ridicule. When it comes to picks. I gave 2 picks as my day's best for the BC, one for Fri and one for Sat. One finished last, and the other won. Both were not even money favorites either. I put the necessary time and analysis into my turf picks. You may think I know nothing about racing and you may disagree with my opinions, But when it comes to Euro racing and taking handicapping seriously especially when it comes to Euro racing you are out of your league.

[Coach Pants]

You're picks are all over the place, they look like last minute touts. It's really hard to take them seriously when on the surface it looks like not too much thought went into them. I will give you this, you are willing to put yourself out there for ridicule. When it came to this pick. I gave 2 picks as my day's best for the BC, one for Fri and one for Sat. One finished last, and the other won. Both were not even money favorites either. I put the necessary time and analysis into my turf picks. You may think I know nothing about racing and you may disagree with my opinions, But when it comes to Euro racing and taking handicapping seriously especially when it comes to Euro racing you are out of your league.

Your picks look like a Frenchman's picks because you're too ***** to give a detailed opinion of a race, much less post how you're wagering it.

You're a weak ass trick. You couldn't beat anyone at handicapping.

[CSC]

Your picks look like a Frenchman's picks because you're too ***** to give a detailed opinion of a race, much less post how you're wagering it.

You're a weak ass trick. You couldn't beat anyone at handicapping.

I was man(a word that you are very fond of) enough to make it my day's best, a point I reiterated the day of the race. I posted the day before when I finalized my card. I even hinted to Super Mod no one has mentioned this horse, and a day later posted it. I think that qualifies as a shout.

[Coach Pants]

I was man(a word that you are very fond of) enough to make it my day's best, a point I reiterated the day of the race. I posted the day before when I finalized my card. I even hinted to Super Mod no one has mentioned this horse, and a day later posted it. I think that qualifies as a shout.
Where are your other picks? No where to be found.


You're a sissy. It's ok to be a sissy. Just admit it dude. You're worried about what strangers on the internet think of your weak opinion on horse racing.

Shocking you would pick a Euro in the turf race. Wow you're the best handicapper evar!!















































Not really. You're horrible. Don't jump your shadow, Barney.






















































Just sayin!

[CSC]

Where are your other picks? No where to be found.


You're a sissy. It's ok to be a sissy. Just admit it dude. You're worried about what strangers on the internet think of your weak opinion on horse racing.

Shocking you would pick a Euro in the turf race. Wow you're the best handicapper evar!!














































Not really. You're horrible. Don't jump your shadow, Barney.






















































Just sayin!

Your welcome, glad you piggybacked. That's what you do. Atleast that is more clever than blindly throwing out picks that a blind squrrel will eventually hit. Have a NOT so nice day C.

[Coach Pants]

Your welcome, glad you piggybacked. That's what you do. Atleast that is more clever than blindly throwing out picks that a blind squrrel will eventually hit. Have a NOT so nice day C.
I'd hate to see you if you ever have a winner that pays over $30.

Of course you probably put a dime on the nose eh, sissy?

[CSC]

I'd hate to see you if you ever have a winner that pays over $30.

Of course you probably put a dime on the nose eh, sissy?

I'd like to see you pick a winner that would pay half of that, that didn't resemble Stevie Wonder throwing darts at a board.

[Coach Pants]

I'd like to see you pick a winner that would pay half of that, that didn't resemble Stevie Wonder throwing darts at a board.
"Duhr I like this horse because Meehan has an uncut cock and drinks tea every afternoon. Plus Dettori is the best. I'm betting with confidence."

Ok, best handicapper ever.

[CSC]

"Duhr I like this horse because Meehan has an uncut cock and drinks tea every afternoon. Plus Dettori is the best. I'm betting with confidence."

Ok, best handicapper ever.

You are, I piggyback picks and eventually the blind squirrel will find its nut. Congrats you da best! :)

[Coach Pants]

You are, I piggyback picks and eventually the blind squirrel will find its nut. Congrats you da best! :)
Yeah I don't give detailed analysis like this

Euro’s have the advantage here, Workforce, Behkabad and Debussy will be all the rage. All are possible but not liking their probable prices. A very interesting horse is Dangerous Midge, trainer Meehan has reportedly taken his time with him this year, form from his last is very cleverly disguised setting him up for a big race. I wouldn’t be surprised if he runs very well Saturday, best thing about it is no one’s talking about him. 10-1 and beyond is probable. I will back him with some confidence.

So was Meehan involved with race fixing? Well that's the kind of inside information we're looking for! Can't get much more detailed than that!!

J/K.

You're a ******.




































Just sayin.

[CSC]

Yeah I don't give detailed analysis like this



So was Meehan involved with race fixing? Well that's the kind of inside information we're looking for! Can't get much more detailed than that!!

J/K.

You're a ******.



































Just sayin.

Yours looks more like this...

4567/1234/1234
1234/1234/4567

Let's see how many other bases can I hedge. No I will use a ouiji board. The squirrel will eventually find the nut, after multiple attempts.

Atleast I can formulate an opinion, let's see if you can sport.

[CSC]

Before you respond, just give us a reason why you like a horse, make it your best bet of the day and explain it before you randomly throw out a bunch of multiple numbers when and if you hit.

[Coach Pants]

Instead of telling me what to do why don't we have a handicapping competition over the same races over the span of a month.

Loser is perma-banned.

Then we'll see what you're made of, sissy.

[Coach Pants]

Yours looks more like this...

4567/1234/1234
1234/1234/4567

Let's see how many other bases can I hedge. No I will use a ouiji board. The squirrel will eventually find the nut, after multiple attempts.

Atleast I can formulate an opinion, let's see if you can sport.
That's called gambling. The majority of gamblers use multiple horses in multis and exotics. Grandmothers, habitual liars and newbies just pick a horse to win.

[Dahoss]

Instead of telling me what to do why don't we have a handicapping competition over the same races over the span of a month.

Loser is perma-banned.

Then we'll see what you're made of, sissy.

Got awful quiet in here after this.





Just sayin'

lol

[Indian Charlie]

I don't want to see either Pillow Pants nor CSC1985 banned.

Pillow Pants for the rare trait of calling things as they are (usually!).

CSC1985 for his insane ideas, like how a firm turf course is really sopping wet, or that a sopping wet turf course can be rock hard, or something like that.

[RockHardTen1985]

If Coach goes, I go.

[Dahoss]

Aragorn1985 for the return?

[Coach Pants]

He's probably having afternoon tea. Give him a few hours to think of a way to duck out of it. That's what French-Canadians do.

[RockHardTen1985]

Aragorn1985 for the return?


Eskendereya is a bit better.

[Indian Charlie]

He's probably having afternoon tea. Give him a few hours to think of a way to duck out of it. That's what French-Canadians do.

I've met a lot of French Canadians and they seem pretty cool to me.

I think if you described CSC1985 as an idiot that doesn't know he's one, you'd be more accurate.

[Coach Pants]

I've met a lot of French Canadians and they seem pretty cool to me.

I think if you described CSC1985 as an idiot that doesn't know he's one, you'd be more accurate.
I don't care if they're cool. It's in their genetics to dodge a challenge. And I don't know if he's French or just desperately trying to be one.

[Sightseek]

Can someone dart me?


I don't have the strength to stop reading.

[Indian Charlie]

I don't care if they're cool. It's in their genetics to dodge a challenge. And I don't know if he's French or just desperately trying to be one.

Historically, the French are not the pussies they've been portrayed to be since WW2.

Which was the fault of some arrogant, stupid old men that ran the country and the military from the 20s to the start of the war. Many French fought valiantly against Germany and sacrificed their own lives to help the Allies invasion plans.

Again, I think CSC1985 is just a bit retarded, which explains everything.

[Dahoss]

Can someone dart me?


I don't have the strength to stop reading.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7KK7bXJV2c

[RockHardTen1985]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7KK7bXJV2c


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwqaF8f3VW0

[Sightseek]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7KK7bXJV2c


STFU

[Dahoss]

STFU

:rolleyes:

[Sightseek]

:rolleyes:

Come on you can do better.

[Dahoss]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwqaF8f3VW0



I can only imagine... Please stop, I wont even bother clicking the link. Im asking in public to stop. I have stopped. I was the first to congragulate you on your awful weekend and mush yesterday. Please I really dont look for you, or post after you.... Not like you do to me, please stop.




Just sayin'

[Dahoss]

Come on you can do better.

I'm drained.

[ateamstupid]

Historically, the French are not the pussies they've been portrayed to be since WW2.

Which was the fault of some arrogant, stupid old men that ran the country and the military from the 20s to the start of the war. Many French fought valiantly against Germany and sacrificed their own lives to help the Allies invasion plans.

Again, I think CSC1985 is just a bit retarded, which explains everything.

They also helped us win our first war in a big way.

[Coach Pants]

Historically, the French are not the pussies they've been portrayed to be since WW2.

Which was the fault of some arrogant, stupid old men that ran the country and the military from the 20s to the start of the war. Many French fought valiantly against Germany and sacrificed their own lives to help the Allies invasion plans.

Again, I think CSC1985 is just a bit retarded, which explains everything.I just had 5 consecutive facepalms.

[Indian Charlie]

I just had 5 consecutive facepalms.

Well, you deserve it.

However, nothing I said was worthy of a facepalm.

Well, except that I knew what you were trying to say and probably shouldn't have said anything.

But still. It's like calling someone a weasel or a snake. Why insult a rather harmless animal by associating them with a retarded human?

[Coach Pants]

Well, you deserve it.

However, nothing I said was worthy of a facepalm.

Well, except that I knew what you were trying to say and probably shouldn't have said anything.

But still. It's like calling someone a weasel or a snake. Why insult a rather harmless animal by associating them with a retarded human?
It is what it is.





































Just sayin!

[Princess Doreen]

Just sayin'... Its a cult following, and I'm responsible. I should win an award. I'll give myself one.:tro:

http://i56.tinypic.com/r73gd2.jpg

[CSC]

If Coach goes, I go.

If Dahoss goes, I go. :rolleyes:

[CSC]

Instead of telling me what to do why don't we have a handicapping competition over the same races over the span of a month.

Loser is perma-banned.

Then we'll see what you're made of, sissy.

I hear you like Aussie racing, I'm sure we can arrange something.

[Coach Pants]

I'm fine with 6 Australian races Friday night and 6 American races on Saturday

Also would be fine with Los Al, trotters, donkeys.

[CSC]

I'm fine with 6 Australian races Friday night and 6 American races on Saturday

Also would be fine with Los Al, trotters, donkeys.

I'm fine with a best bet on Fri's, one race to choose from. I have a life, and frankly I don't have the time of a Dahoss to wage war with the multiple contests he is involved with. But this would seem reasonable to me since we both play Aussie races on Fri.

[Dahoss]

I'm fine with a best bet on Fri's, one race to choose from. I have a life, and frankly I don't have the time of a Dahoss to wage war with the multiple contests he is involved with. But this would seem reasonable to me since we both play Aussie races on Fri.

In other words you're a sissy.

[Coach Pants]

I'm fine with a best bet on Fri's, one race to choose from. I have a life, and frankly I don't have the time of a Dahoss to wage war with the multiple contests he is involved with. But this would seem reasonable to me since we both play Aussie races on Fri.Just say you're a sissy and we'll call it even.

[CSC]

Just say you're a sissy and we'll call it even.

You can't cap a race a week sis.

[Dahoss]

You can't cap a race a week sis.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI7ni7zL8qU&feature=related

[RockHardTen1985]

So old and played out.

[Dahoss]

So old and played out.

Yeah...I follow you around. Go cry in your Big Mac.

[RockHardTen1985]

Yeah...I follow you around. Go cry in your Big Mac.


Its true though, more youtube links then anyone in the history of this place.

[Dahoss]

Its true though, more youtube links then anyone in the history of this place.

And you have more fake losing bets than anyone. YAY!!!

[RockHardTen1985]

And you have more fake losing bets than anyone. YAY!!!

Original once again... Your on a big run this morning...
Good luck, Bro!!!!

[Dahoss]

Original once again... Your on a big run this morning...
Good luck, Bro!!!!

How is your stock portfolio looking?

[CSC]

Just say you're a sissy and we'll call it even.

Ok Coach,

These are the rough conditions:

One Best Bet for Fri/Sat's card.

1. Player chooses one race from Track A or B
2. Player that posts the bet 1st gets that horse, no piggybacking. Let's just call it the Dahoss rule so a player cannot protect a lead.
3. We start the first on the first card on Fri of December, ending on the Melbourne Cup card in 2011. This should allow a large enough sample of 48 plays atleast.
4. Only wins bets are cashed
5. $20 a race.

This sounds kinda fun.

[Coach Pants]

Now I'm not calling for a banning...but if this was my forum and you posted some retarded chicken s.hit compromise like that I would ban you.

[hockey2315]

One race a week? Sounds riveting.

[Dahoss]

Ok Coach,

These are the rough conditions:

One Best Bet for Fri/Sat's card.

1. Player chooses one race from Track A or B
2. Player that posts the bet 1st gets that horse, no piggybacking. Let's just call it the Dahoss rule so a player cannot protect a lead.
3. We start the first on the first card on Fri of December, ending on the Melbourne Cup card in 2011. This should allow a large enough sample of 48 plays atleast.
4. Only wins bets are cashed
5. $20 a race.

This sounds kinda fun.

As if any more proof was needed that you aren't a bettor....you should be ashamed to have posted this.

Is it really that hard to come up with 5-10 plays a weekend?

[slotdirt]

Hmmm...now remember, three Melbourne Cups don't equal one Breeders Cup Classic, so you really have to factor in the conversion rate there as well.

[RockHardTen1985]

One race a week? Sounds riveting.

I challenge you.

[hockey2315]

I challenge you.

I did my contest. Let Hoss beat you again.

[RockHardTen1985]

I did my contest. Let Hoss beat you again.

Nice.

[Sightseek]

I'm watching replays now, Paco Boy wasn't going to beat the winner, but from start to finish, he had no breaks. The chart only mentions being walled in on the turn, but it looked like it was rough going early too.