8/28 (DMR) Pacific Classic S. (G1)

[Alan07]

4th (2:36) Del Mar Mile H. (G2)

1 Mile (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 Blue Chagall (FR) Flores D R 118 L
2 Golden Mexico (IRE) Espinoza V 115 L
3 Moudez (IRE) Valenzuela P A 114 L
4 Meteore Bejarano R 115 L
5 Scenic Blast (AUS) Smith M E 121 L
6 Enriched Rosario J 119 L
7 Bruce's Dream Gomez G K 117 L


8th (4:45) Pacific Classic S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Battle of Hastings (GB) Blanc B 124 L
2 Isle of Giant's Valenzuela P A 124 L
3 Dakota Phone Rosario J 124 L
4 Temple City Bejarano R 124 L
5 Unusual Suspect Quinonez A 124 L
6 Richard's Kid Smith M E 124 L
7 Hold Me Back Gomez G K 124 L
8 Crowded House (GB) Nakatani C S 124 L
9 Awesome Gem Flores D R 124 L
10 The Usual Q. T. Espinoza V 124 L


10th (5:50) Pat O'Brien H. (G1)

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Sangaree Pedroza M A 119 L
2 E Z's Gentleman Garcia M 123 L
3 Tropic Storm Flores D R 119 L
4 Kanan Dume John K 119 L
5 Leaving New York Valenzuela P A 116 L
6 Crown of Thorns Bejarano R 119 L
7 Hard Bill (CHI) Gomez G K 119 L
8 Smiling Tiger Espinoza V 120 L
9 New Bay Blanc B 123 Blk-Off L
10 El Brujo Rosario J 119 Blk-Off L

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Wow ... the morning line favorite is 0-for-5 lifetime on synthetics ... four of the five defeats coming in maiden races ... and the other a last place finish in a 9 horse field in a Sunshine Millions race.

When you're last two efforts on synthetic are a 5th beaten 11 lengths in a MSW race - and a 9th place finish behind Bold Chieftan and Palladio .. you shouldn't be favored to win the Pacific Classic.

[Coach Pants]

Looks like one of the greatest Pacific Classics evar!

The sissies were right to sit this one out and run in the Secret.

[Seattleallstar]

yet the spineless connections of Zenyatta wont run her here or go get RA back east, freakin unreal

[10 pnt move up]

yet the spineless connections of Zenyatta wont run her here or go get RA back east, freakin unreal

horse racing sucks in the 21st century........I have come to accept it.

[Indian Charlie]

You rachel lovers are all Z haters.

She can do something never done before, namely, win a race named after herself.

How can you not understand the glory in this? This will surely stamp her as an all time great.

It's sad that you Z haters just can't appreciate her for what she is.

[Pedigree Ann]

Actually, I think Petty Officer (GB, 1967) won the race that was renamed for him after he won it a few times.

[randallscott35]

There are bad Grade 1 fields, and then there is this.

[Seattleallstar]

There are bad Grade 1 fields, and then there is this.

this field is so bad that the grading commission for races would be justified in making this into a grade 3

[eajinabi]

What do you guys want? A race with 4 entries so that you could sit in the granstand munching popcorn as a spectator waiving your Go Zenyatta banners?. Its a great betting race. Too bad the countries best cant make it to the Pacific Classic but thats why there is the Breeders Cup.

[the_fat_man]

yet the spineless connections of Zenyatta wont run her here or go get RA back east, freakin unreal

Didn't see your horse, RA, in the Apple Blossom or the Whitney. What's her excuse?

[Seattleallstar]

Didn't see your horse, RA, in the Apple Blossom or the Whitney. What's her excuse?

Im a Zenyatta fan NOT AN RA fan, notice I said the connections NOT the horse. I love Zenyatta but we are getting ripped off by her connections. RA isnt there cause she obviously isnt good enough or ready to run the race.
Contrary to popular belief Zenyatta has everything to prove in beating RA on a real dirt track

[Clip-Clop]

Im a Zenyatta fan NOT AN RA fan, notice I said the connections NOT the horse. I love Zenyatta but we are getting ripped off by her connections. RA isnt there cause she obviously isnt good enough or ready to run the race.
Contrary to popular belief Zenyatta has everything to prove in beating RA on a real dirt track

Wasn't ready for the AB, obviously. As far as the Whitney, way over her head at the time, also way more difficult race than anything Z or Rachel has faced yet.

[CSC]

You rachel lovers are all Z haters.

She can do something never done before, namely, win a race named after herself.

How can you not understand the glory in this? This will surely stamp her as an all time great.

It's sad that you Z haters just can't appreciate her for what she is.

Hey Guano,

Do you ever have an opinion about a race before the fact, look at the title of the thread. What does this have to do with the Pacific Classic discussion?

[RockHardTen1985]

If anyone was wondering....
I will be picking the Classic 2,4,7 in some order, with the 4 likely being 3rd.

[Coach Pants]

Can't believe this is a grade 1.


Battle of Hastings I guess. Just horrible. God awful.

[Rileyoriley]

2 Isle of Giant's :)

[RockHardTen1985]

Can't believe this is a grade 1.


Battle of Hastings I guess. Just horrible. God awful.

I think this Giants Causeway claimer has a legit shot. Check out the likely pace sceniro.

[clyde]

What's worse than this race ( oh, hi Debbie) are these posts.

[herkhorse]

If anyone was wondering....
I will be picking the Classic 2,4,7 in some order, with the 4 likely being 3rd.

now you have me wondering, is it gonna be 2-7-4 or 7-2-4?

[Rileyoriley]

What's worse than this race ( oh, hi Debbie) are these posts.

(hi hon)

[Coach Pants]

I think this Giants Causeway claimer has a legit shot. Check out the likely pace sceniro.
I would if he was trained by a juicer. Cecil is just horrible. Either he's as honest as they come or retarded.

[clyde]

(hi hon)



I don't take much from you.
















%=====================D

[Dahoss]

I think this Giants Causeway claimer has a legit shot. Check out the likely pace sceniro.

Isn't Temple City going to hamper his chances a bit? As much as I'd like to see a horse win the Pacific Classic 3 races after winning a 25k claimer, he seems outmatched in there.

I want no part of The Usual QT or Awesome Gem. Hold Me Back is interesting and I think he's going to hit the board. I'm between Hold Me Back, Battle of Hastings and I think Crowded House is interesting at a price.

[Scav]

Isn't Temple City going to hamper his chances a bit? As much as I'd like to see a horse win the Pacific Classic 3 races after winning a 25k claimer, he seems outmatched in there.

I want no part of The Usual QT or Awesome Gem. Hold Me Back is interesting and I think he's going to hit the board. I'm between Hold Me Back, Battle of Hastings and I think Crowded House is interesting at a price.

Hold Me Back and Richard's Kid are the only two horses that don't have major flaws in my opinion. From memory because I haven't looked at PP's

1) I think I heard Mullins was O-fer the meet today, all eyes must be on him, No
2) Didn't quit last time but no thank you
3) No
4) Need 7 turns
5) No
6) Win over surface and distance
7) Same as 6 although not the specific Del Mar surface
8) No idea who he even is
9) Trip of a lifetime last time
10) Drugs already talked about him 0-fer

[RockHardTen1985]

now you have me wondering, is it gonna be 2-7-4 or 7-2-4?

I think Hold Me Back is the most likely winner, but the other horse could be like 6x the price.

[herkhorse]

thanks

[RockHardTen1985]

Isn't Temple City going to hamper his chances a bit? As much as I'd like to see a horse win the Pacific Classic 3 races after winning a 25k claimer, he seems outmatched in there.

I want no part of The Usual QT or Awesome Gem. Hold Me Back is interesting and I think he's going to hit the board. I'm between Hold Me Back, Battle of Hastings and I think Crowded House is interesting at a price.

Even though 3 back Temple City went very fast early, look at his last 2 races. He is out there crawling. Plus look at the jock, then think about the Rail Trip debacle. I think Isle of Giants has to clear early from the inside with P Val... Maybe he runs away from them, kinda like Mast Track.

[RockHardTen1985]

Hold Me Back and Richard's Kid are the only two horses that don't have major flaws in my opinion. From memory because I haven't looked at PP's

1) I think I heard Mullins was O-fer the meet today, all eyes must be on him, No
2) Didn't quit last time but no thank you
3) No
4) Need 7 turns
5) No
6) Win over surface and distance
7) Same as 6 although not the specific Del Mar surface
8) No idea who he even is
9) Trip of a lifetime last time
10) Drugs already talked about him 0-fer


Richards Kid is clearly trained by the GOAT 1.....
He can win, but something IMO is not right with him. Maybe the Dubai trip?

[Dahoss]

Even though 3 back Temple City went very fast early, look at his last 2 races. He is out there crawling. Plus look at the jock, then think about the Rail Trip debacle. I think Isle of Giants has to clear early from the inside with P Val... Maybe he runs away from them, kinda like Mast Track.

I hear you. I don't think Temple of City is going to be dueling with Isle of Giants, because of who is riding him as you said. But he'll be close enough. I just don't know if I want a front runner going 10 furlongs on that track. He should be a price at least.

[Dahoss]

He can win, but something IMO is not right with him. Maybe the Dubai trip?

I don't think it was the trip. He just stinks.

[RockHardTen1985]

I don't think it was the trip. He just stinks.


Thats likely.

[Indian Charlie]

Hey Guano,

Do you ever have an opinion about a race before the fact, look at the title of the thread. What does this have to do with the Pacific Classic discussion?

Guano? I'm curious as to how you came up with a term meaning bat excrement as a nickname for me.

To answer your question however, which to most people is entirely obvious, is that your Beloved is dodging this scary race, which was mentioned previously in this thread. I was giving you justification for skipping this race and pointing to the Zenyatta stakes.

Please tell me you really aren't that dumb though and were just teasing me.

[Dahoss]

Even though 3 back Temple City went very fast early, look at his last 2 races. He is out there crawling. Plus look at the jock, then think about the Rail Trip debacle. I think Isle of Giants has to clear early from the inside with P Val... Maybe he runs away from them, kinda like Mast Track.

If that joke of a track is playing like it did today, Isle of Giants has a good shot tomorrow.

[RockHardTen1985]

If that joke of a track is playing like it did today, Isle of Giants has a good shot tomorrow.


Im doing it now, Im picking him on top.

[Dahoss]

Im doing it now, Im picking him on top.

Good to know.

[RockHardTen1985]

Good to know.


I know, its like literally breaking news.

[King Glorious]

I think this Giants Causeway claimer has a legit shot. Check out the likely pace sceniro.

I think Giant's Causeway himself would have a legit shot in this race. Even at 13 and off a 10-year layoff. He'd have to be at least second choice. He's won as many times on the synthetic as the favorite right?

[RockHardTen1985]

How about Baffert at 7-1 for the kid?
Got some nice things going to 2,4,7.

[Sightseek]

How about Baffert at 7-1 for the kid?
Got some nice things going to 2,4,7.

No GOAT?

[Seattleallstar]

Isle of Giants lulls them to sleep and steals the Pacific Classic to top off the P Val comeback at Del Mar.

[RockHardTen1985]

No GOAT?


No GOAT here....2,4,7 equally on everything.

[Sightseek]

No GOAT here....2,4,7 equally on everything.

I used him with the 4 & 7 - hoping 4 is on top....

[RockHardTen1985]

Stop the race, ill take the tri and exacta 2.

[10 pnt move up]

Big Money Rider

[Dahoss]

Big Money Rider

This is getting old, no?

[10 pnt move up]

This is getting old, no?

not for me, or my friends.

[Dahoss]

not for me, or my friends.

I'm just going to bite my tongue. Have a good night.

[freddymo]

Big Money Rider

Is he going to rider RKid in the Classic? lol

[10 pnt move up]

Is he going to rider RKid in the Classic? lol

RK could not beat a donkey on dirt

[Sightseek]

Once upon a time they used to run these two races fast.

[10 pnt move up]

Once upon a time they used to run these two races fast.

Once upon a time horse racing was a sport, now its just a business (a bad business if you bet on them).

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Thankfully both Crowded House and Fly Down picked the absolute right horse to lose to. If they had run 2nd to Dakota Phone and First Dude instead of Richard's Kid and Afleet Express.. I'd be suicidal right now.

I don't know which group of bettors is more hopeless - the ones who bet Admiral Alex to single digit odds or the ones who made The Usual QT a solid favorite off of his pathetic synthetic track form.

[Indian Charlie]

Thankfully both Crowded House and Fly Down picked the absolute right horse to lose to. If they had run 2nd to Dakota Phone and First Dude instead of Richard's Kid and Afleet Express.. I'd be suicidal right now.

I don't know which group of bettors is more hopeless - the ones who bet Admiral Alex to single digit odds or the ones who made The Usual QT a solid favorite off of his pathetic synthetic track form.

Cassidy for running The QT in the wrong race today, he's the most hopeless.

[CSC]

Make that the 6th horse to win a grade 1 out of the 7 that raced in the Classic last year that are still racing in 2010. I think that number is safe, since Mine That Bird is being trained by the antiquated D Wayne Lukas.

[Dahoss]

Make that the 6th horse to win a grade 1 out of the 7 that raced in the Classic last year that are still racing in 2010. I think that number is safe, since Mine That Bird is being trained by the antiquated D Wayne Lukas.

Didn't Richard's Kid win a (in name only) grade 1 last year?

[CSC]

Didn't Richard's Kid win a (in name only) grade 1 last year?

If we all have this mentality, then the Woodward last year would be a grade 1 in name only.

[Dahoss]

If we all have this mentality, then the Woodward last year would be a grade 1 in name only also.

I'm just trying to figure out what you are saying. Are you saying RK was the 6th horse since the Classic to win a grade 1, because I don't think that is the case.

[Dahoss]

Nevermind, you were right. I forgot about Awesome Gem. Can't really blame me there.

[CSC]

I'm just trying to figure out what you are saying. Are you saying RK was the 6th horse since the Classic to win a grade 1, because I don't think that is the case.

DH, I think you know what I was referring to. Anyway I'll say it again RK is the 6th horse to exit the 09 Classic field to win a grade 1 this year out of the 7 that have raced this year. Name me another race last year that can boast that %?

[Dahoss]

DH, I think you know what I was referring to. Anyway I'll say it again RK is the 6th horse to exit the 09 Classic field to win a grade 1 this year out of the 7 that have raced this year. Name me another race last year that can boast that %?

Unless you look at the races they won and who was in them, this stuff really doesn't matter. What person in their right mind would use the results of that trainwreck of a race today as some sort of way to boast about Zenyatta?

[DaTruth]

DH, I think you know what I was referring to. Anyway I'll say it again RK is the 6th horse to exit the 09 Classic field to win a grade 1 this year out of the 7 that have raced this year.

How many of those Grade 1 wins this year have been on real dirt?

[CSC]

Unless you look at the races they won and who was in them, this stuff really doesn't matter. What person in their right mind would use the results of that trainwreck of a race today as some sort of way to boast about Zenyatta?

This has more to do with hearing how crappy the Classic field was last year. Everytime a horse wins a grade 1 that comes out of it, I certainly want to remind people that it was indeed a bad field. :rolleyes:

Furthermore, this Zenyatta thing is old, infact I rarely am the first to bring it. When I said I moved on, I mean't it. And really there is nothing for me to add until she runs in the Classic. Look at the posts here of mine this year, I'll let them speak for themselves. If others phish for a response I may give them one, but this is hardly the reason why I post here.

[CSC]

How many of those Grade 1 wins this year have been on real dirt?

Probably none, but what does this have to do with the field that lined up in the 09 Classic?

[Indian Charlie]

This has more to do with hearing how crappy the Classic field was last year. Everytime a horse wins a grade 1 that comes out of it, I certainly want to remind people that it was indeed a bad field. :rolleyes:

Furthermore, this Zenyatta thing is old, infact I rarely am the first to bring it. When I said I moved on, I mean't it. And really there is nothing for me to add until she runs in the Classic. Look at the posts here of mine this year, I'll let them speak for themselves. If others phish for a response I may give them one, but this is hardly the reason why I post here.

Why do you post here? To torture people that can think for themselves, as opposed to parroting what some idiotic talking heads say on TV?

[Dahoss]

This has more to do with hearing how crappy the Classic field was last year. Everytime a horse wins a grade 1 that comes out of it, I certainly want to remind people that it was indeed a bad field. :rolleyes:

Furthermore, this Zenyatta thing is old, infact I rarely am the first to bring it. When I said I moved on, I mean't it. And really there is nothing for me to add until she runs in the Classic. Look at the posts here of mine this year, I'll let them speak for themselves. If others phish for a response I may give them one, but this is hardly the reason I am here.

Again, when you are using Awesome Gem and Richard's Kid to somehow validate your opinion, something is wrong.

Spare me the nonsense about why you are here.

[DaTruth]

Probably none, but what does this have to do with the field that lined up in the 09 Classic?

The Breeders Cup Classic is one of the most important dirt races in North America. It is a shame if the horses who ran in it cannot compete at the highest levels on real dirt.

[DaTruth]

Again, when you are using Awesome Gem and Richard's Kid to somehow validate your opinion, something is wrong.

Spare me the nonsense about why you are here.

Richard's Kid was an ordinary horse on dirt. He was dusted by Macho Again in the 2009 New Orleans Handicap. He moves to the fake stuff and has now twice won the richest race in California.

[CSC]

Why do you post here? To torture people that can think for themselves, as opposed to parroting what some idiotic talking heads say on TV?

Why do you post here? To make idiotic comments about races
/horses after the fact, or to just name call? It's a tough call but I'll say it's a tie for all of the above.

[CSC]

The Breeders Cup Classic is one of the most important dirt races in North America. It is a shame if the horses who ran in it cannot compete at the highest levels on real dirt.

But aren't half the Major tracks in NA on synth and half on dirt? You can say the same thing this year at CD. Half the horses that should be at CD will not be there or won't be as effective. Does that diminish this year's Classic because of this?

[hockey2315]

But aren't half the Major tracks in NA on synth and half on dirt? You can say the same thing this year at CD. Half the horses that should be at CD will not be there or won't be as effective. Does that diminish this year's Classic because of this?

You can't be serious.

[CSC]

You can't be serious.

What's not serious about this? Or is this a dirt-centric bias working here. Like it or not, racing today is a combination of dirt and synthetics. I have accepted it, you may tell me it is an unfair surface, but seeing a sprinter stretch out on dirt on a speed favoring surface and running like an energizer bunny, is this fair also? Is this a superior/better surface?

[hockey2315]

What's not serious about this? Or is this a dirt-centric bias working here. Like it or not, racing today is a combination of dirt and synthetics. I have accepted it, you may tell me it is an unfair surface, but seeing a sprinter stretch out on dirt on a speed favoring surface and running like an energizer bunny, is this fair also? Is this a superior/better surface?

Racing in America has been dirt-centric for quite some time now. . . like ummm forever. Synthetics are not here to stay and will never compare in any way to a fair dirt track. To put them on equal terms is absurd, but it's to be expected from you.

[Smooth Operator]

Euro runners must really suck since they don't race on "real dirt"...

[CSC]

Racing in America has been dirt-centric for quite some time now. . . like ummm forever. Synthetics are not here to stay and will never compare in any way to a fair dirt track. To put them on equal terms is absurd, but it's to be expected from you.

I think my point was since we have only 3-4 major dirt tracks running at the moment, the form for the classic will come down to these tracks barring the European shippers and we both know they do not race on dirt over there. Just as it was for the Classic in 09. A fact many have stated it was a watered down classic because no dirt horse could succeed over that surface. I have a question, what happens if a synth horse wins the classic? When or if it happens, will the $hit hit the fan here?

[DaTruth]

Euro runners must really suck since they don't race on "real dirt"...

Quarter horse must suck since they don't race very far, and steeplechase horses must suck because they race too far.

[Danzig]

But aren't half the Major tracks in NA on synth and half on dirt? You can say the same thing this year at CD. Half the horses that should be at CD will not be there or won't be as effective. Does that diminish this year's Classic because of this?

no. new york is all dirt, churchill's dirt, so is fla, louisiana, arkansas, md...

and thankfully, one less cali track will be on the fake stuff soon.

[Indian Charlie]

Why do you post here? To make idiotic comments about races
/horses after the fact, or to just name call? It's a tough call but I'll say it's a tie for all of the above.

I've told you this before.

But, to reiterate.

First came the Horse Whisperer.

Next came the Dog Whisperer.

Then the Ghost Whisperer.

I am the Tard Whisperer. My purpose here on Earth is to get tards to see the light.

Clearly I am unqualified when it comes to certain tards though.

[CSC]

I've told you this before.

But, to reiterate.

First came the Horse Whisperer.

Next came the Dog Whisperer.

Then the Ghost Whisperer.

I am the Tard Whisperer. My purpose here on Earth is to get tards to see the light.

Clearly I am unqualified when it comes to certain tards though.

Tard is an appropiate word for you to use, do you want me to add you to my PM list so we can continue you this in private, I'll make a special case for you. I will add your name IC, though right now I can think of better words that fit your profile. No, it doesn't start with Z and ends with A. How about Guano?

[Indian Charlie]

Tard is an appropiate word for you to use, do you want me to add you to my PM list so we can continue you this in private, I'll make a special case for you. I will add your name IC, though right now I can think of better words that fit your profile. No, it doesn't start with Z and ends with A. How about Guano?

Sure. Whatever works for ya.

[CSC]

Sure. Whatever works for ya.

Shall I use your alias or Dahoss's?

[Indian Charlie]

Shall I use your alias or Dahoss's?

DaHoss please.

[cmorioles]

Whopping 95 Beyer for Richard's Kid.

El Brujo, 106.
Enriched, 96.