8/21 (AP): International Festival of Racing

[Alan07]

7th (3:06) Stars and Stripes Turf S. (G3)

1 5/8 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 1 Big Al Jaen A Yanez Moises R 119 L 12-1
2 2 Perfect Shower Dominguez R A Attfield Roger L 119 L 3-1
3 3 Lemonade Kid Leparoux J R Mitchell Anthony 119 L 12-1
4 4 Memorial Maniac Graham J Demeritte Larry 119 L 6-1
5 5 Blushing Bear Karlsson I Dodgen James A 119 L 5-1
6 6 Armstrong Mill Fallon K Clement Christophe 119 L 9-2
7 7 Rumor Has It Baze M C Hinsley David H 119 L 30-1
8 8 Free Fighter Torres F C Block Chris M 121 L 5-2
9 9 Weggie Perez E E Block Chris M 119 L 20-1

$2 Win / Place / Show / $2 Daily Double (7-8) / $2 Exacta / $0.50 Trifecta $0.10 Superfecta / $1 Pick 3 (Races 7-8-9) / $1 Mid Pick 4 (7-8-9-10)



8th (3:37) Secretariat S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 1 Paddy O'Prado Desormeaux K J Romans Dale 126 L 1-1
2 2 Mister Marti Gras Perez E E Block Chris M 123 L 10-1
3 3 Cherokee Lord Felix J E Livesay Charlie 119 L 30-1
4 4 Wigmore Hall (IRE) Spencer J P Bell Michael L 123 FTL 5-1
5 5 Dean's Kitten Leparoux J R Maker Michael J 123 L 8-1
6 6 Two Notch Road Baze M C Thompson Glenn R 119 L 12-1
7 7 Workin for Hops Torres F C Stidham Michael 123 L 5-2

$2 Win / Place / Show / $2 Daily Double (8-9) / $2 Exacta / $0.50 Trifecta $0.10 Superfecta / Festival Pick 3 (Races 8-9-10)


9th (4:24) Beverly D. S. (G1)

1 3/16 Miles (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $750,000

1 1 Pachattack Fallon K Butler Gerard A 123 FTL 8-1
2 2 Hot Cha Cha Graham J Sims Phillip A 123 L 6-1
3 3 Acoma Castanon J L Carroll David 123 L 8-1
4 4 Gypsy's Warning (SAF) Buick W Motion H Graham 123 L 10-1
5 5 Rainbow View Leparoux J R Sheppard Jonathan E 123 L 4-1
6 6 Eclair de Lune (GER) Alvarado J McAnally Ronald 123 L 5-1
7 7 Biased (GB) Benoist G Delzangles Mikel 123 20-1
8 8 Romacaca Baze M C Canani Nick 123 L 20-1
9 9 Treat Gently (GB) Desormeaux K J Mott William I 123 L 9-2
10 10 Ave (GB) Dominguez R A Attfield Roger L 123 L 5-1

$2 Win / Place / Show / $2 Daily Double (9-10) / $2 Exacta / $0.50 Trifecta $0.10 Superfecta / $1 Pick 3 (Races 9-10-11) / $1 Late Pick 4 (Races 9-10-11-12)



10th (5:14) Arlington Million S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 1 Marsh Side Nakatani C S Drysdale Neil 126 L 12-1
2 2 Debussy (IRE) Buick W Gosden John H M 126 FTL 12-1
3 3 General Quarters Graham J McCarthy Thomas R 126 L 8-1
4 4 Just as Well Leparoux J R Sheppard Jonathan E 126 L 5-1
5 5 Quite a Handful Riggs T Hansen Andrew M 126 L 30-1
6 6 Gio Ponti Dominguez R A Clement Christophe 126 L 7-5
7 7 Rahystrada Karlsson I Hughes Byron G 126 L 10-1
8 8 Tajaaweed Baze M C Peitz Daniel C 126 L 15-1
9 9 Tazeez Hills R Gosden John H M 126 FTL 6-1
10 10 Summit Surge (IRE) Fallon K Cumani Luca M 126 FTL 10-1

$2 Win / Place / Show / $2 Daily Double (10-11) / $2 Exacta / $0.50 Trifecta $0.10 Superfecta / $1 Pick 3 (Races 10-11-12) / Super High-5

[RockHardTen1985]

This looks miserable.

[miraja2]

This looks miserable.

So according to you:

last week's Sword Dancer was "horrible."
Kantharos "sucks."
and this trio of races is "miserable."

It might be time for you to find a new hobby my friend.

[Alan07]

The remainder of the Million Day card will be drawn on Wednesday.

[Sightseek]

So according to you:

last week's Sword Dancer was "horrible."
Kantharos "sucks."
and this trio of races is "miserable."

It might be time for you to find a new hobby my friend.

Honestly though, don't you think the races are a bit disappointing this year?

[RockHardTen1985]

So according to you:

last week's Sword Dancer was "horrible."
Kantharos "sucks."
and this trio of races is "miserable."

It might be time for you to find a new hobby my friend.

Maybe they are good betting races, but the quality is not there... IMO.

The Sword Dancer cast would be destroyed by a third string Euro. Can you argue that? When is the last time Telling won? I bet Al Khali, what does he do everytime he steps up? Sure he can win an allowance race....

[miraja2]

Maybe they are good betting races, but the quality is not there... IMO.

The Sword Dancer cast would be destroyed by a third string Euro. Can you argue that? When is the last time Telling won? I bet Al Khali, what does he do everytime he steps up? Sure he can win an allowance race....

The Sword Dancer and the Million have been splitting up the older male turf division for years. Given the usual lack of depth in that division, I honestly don't know that it is reasonable to expect much more. When you have two big G1 races in the same division one week apart, you simply aren't going to get two full fields of outstanding horses. I thought the Sword Dancer field was fine given that fact, as I explained to you on that thread.

[miraja2]

Honestly though, don't you think the races are a bit disappointing this year?Certainly they aren't the best races in the history of Arlington's signature day, but I wouldn't call them "miserable." I think the big Paddy-Workin showdown in the Secretariat makes that race interesting. The Beverly D is a highly competetive race. The Million has the division leader and several intriguing spoilers coming off of very good prep races.
Again, nobody is going to confuse any of these races with the 1978 JCGC, but they aren't bad.

[Clip-Clop]

I really hope Ave is 5-1

[hockey2315]

Were these really great races last year? They look semi-bettable, but who really knows w/o PP's.

[CSC]

I really hope Ave is 5-1

I hope they bet her, though I like Attfield as a trainer, his career record in open grade 1's would make you want to rush to the windows to bet against him.

[NTamm1215]

I hope they bet her, though I like Attfield as a trainer, his career record in open grade 1's would make you want to rush to the windows to bet against him.

So Attfield is 0 for his last 17 in GI races. He also has a positive ROI on the turf over the last five years by a large margin. 98-526 with an ROI of $2.41, that's phenomenal with that kind of sample size.

NT

[eajinabi]

Eclair De Lune looks very intruiging. Came a game second to Tuscan Evening (RIP) last out and McCanaly was very high on this horse from the start and him shipping out of cali is very rare.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I actually think these three races are all pretty interesting races - and atleast two of them should ultimately be good betting races.

[RockHardTen1985]

I actually think these three races are all pretty interesting races - and atleast two of them should ultimately be good betting races.


When I said miserable, I was talking about the quality.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

When I said miserable, I was talking about the quality.

I don't know if I'd agree with that either. Especially considering what we've seen in Gr 1's so far this year.

Two of these races have clearly the best American horse within the divison - and there are some interesting Euro's as well.

[Sightseek]

Certainly they aren't the best races in the history of Arlington's signature day, but I wouldn't call them "miserable." I think the big Paddy-Workin showdown in the Secretariat makes that race interesting. The Beverly D is a highly competetive race. The Million has the division leader and several intriguing spoilers coming off of very good prep races.
Again, nobody is going to confuse any of these races with the 1978 JCGC, but they aren't bad.

I guess if you're speaking relatively to what is running this year..

(what makes you think the Paddy - Hops showdown is going to be any different than their meeting at CNL?)

[SniperSB23]

The Sword Dancer and the Million have been splitting up the older male turf division for years. Given the usual lack of depth in that division, I honestly don't know that it is reasonable to expect much more. When you have two big G1 races in the same division one week apart, you simply aren't going to get two full fields of outstanding horses. I thought the Sword Dancer field was fine given that fact, as I explained to you on that thread.

Plus the Hall of Fame Stakes is taking horses from the Secretariat and the Beverly is competing for horses with the Diana.

[hockey2315]

Paddy isn't unbeatable, but there's no chance that Working for Hops beats him in a fairly run race.

[RockHardTen1985]

Paddy isn't unbeatable, but there's no chance that Working for Hops beats him in a fairly run race.

So then who beats him? Or is he unbeatable in this spot?

[hockey2315]

I don't know much about that euro, so I'll have to wait for the PP's on him. The 2 is semi-live at a price.

[Scav]

So then who beats him? Or is he unbeatable in this spot?

The Irish one says Wigmore Hall is gonna run huge. It screws up my plans because that makes him an auto use for me, two deep, Wigmore Hall and Paddy O Prado

[Scav]

The remainder of the Million Day card will be drawn on Wednesday.

Which probably will be miserable, unless they use this 2 year old race then life will be great! :)

[Scav]

Paddy isn't unbeatable, but there's no chance that Working for Hops beats him in a fairly run race.

Hops is gonna struggle to even run third in this race. All eyes, literally, will be on him. ;)

[RockHardTen1985]

Which probably will be miserable, unless they use this 2 year old race then life will be great! :)



What 2yr old race do you speak of Thomas?

[Scav]

What 2yr old race do you speak of Thomas?

:zz:

You get no answer

[CSC]

So Attfield is 0 for his last 17 in GI races. He also has a positive ROI on the turf over the last five years by a large margin. 98-526 with an ROI of $2.41, that's phenomenal with that kind of sample size.

NT

Was Alydeed his last grade 1 winner? I remember Talkin Man winning the Wood Memorial but I'm pretty sure it wasn't a grade 1 then. He does well with what he has, no argument there, but his horses almost always seem to be short of grade 1 caliber.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Perfect Soul.

[Bigsmc]

What 2yr old race do you speak of Thomas?

One that will be horrible, miserable and suck.

[Clip-Clop]

So Attfield is 0 for his last 17 in GI races. He also has a positive ROI on the turf over the last five years by a large margin. 98-526 with an ROI of $2.41, that's phenomenal with that kind of sample size.

NT

His numbers in these races are not great, I get that. Just thinking the horse will run well, like Ramon too. I will be betting her, for sure. Not enough to affect the odds though.

[RockHardTen1985]

:zz:

You get no answer


Pleaseeee Thomas, talk to Joey.

[CSC]

His numbers in these races are not great, I get that. Just thinking the horse will run well, like Ramon too. I will be betting her, for sure. Not enough to affect the odds though.

In the Dance Smartly she seemed like she was always going to get up but Mekong Melody another Attfield horse held on, the turf course there can be misleading. There is a big misconception that stretch runners have an inordinate advantage on the long stretch. Jambalaya never ran as well on that course as he did at GP and yes Arlington Park. If there is an angle at work for you maybe this is it and she will improve at AP. Still she won't get a nickle from me.

[Clip-Clop]

So Attfield is 0 for his last 17 in GI races. He also has a positive ROI on the turf over the last five years by a large margin. 98-526 with an ROI of $2.41, that's phenomenal with that kind of sample size.

NT

In the Dance Smartly she seemed like she was always going to get up but Mekong Melody another Attfield horse held on, the turf course there can be misleading. There is a big misconception that stretch runners have an inordinate advantage on the long stretch. Jambalaya never ran as well on that course as he did at GP and yes Arlington Park. If there is an angle at work for you maybe this is it and she will improve at AP. Still she won't get a nickle from me.

Kinda what I was hoping for. Who will be getting your nickels that I am hoping will become my nickels?

[CSC]

Kinda what I was hoping for. Who will be getting your nickels that I am hoping will become my nickels?

I've had some goodluck with Euro's throughout the years, that's probably where I am leaning for the Million/Bev D.

[Indian Charlie]

I remember Talkin Man winning the Wood Memorial but I'm pretty sure it wasn't a grade 1 then.

The last time the Wood wasn't g1 was when they didn't have gradings for stakes.

[parsixfarms]

The last time the Wood wasn't g1 was when they didn't have gradings for stakes.

The Wood was a grade II from 1995-2001, which would include the victory by Talkin Man in 1995.

[CSC]

His win in the Grade 2 Gotham over Dahoss was even more impressive one race before the Wood, with Smith aboard. No doubt it was one of the reasons why he chose TM over Thunder Gulch. I thought it was prophetic how Lukas referred to him as Walkin Man leading up to that derby. TG was able to back up Lukas' trash talk.

[GBBob]

Pleaseeee Thomas, talk to Joey.

We are hoping they use this race

SUBSTITUTE RACE NO 1 ALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING S1 Purse $41,480. (Includes $10,980 from the I.O.A. for ICF) For Fillies Two
Years Old Which Have Never Won $8,800 Once Other Than Maiden,
Claiming, Starter, Or State Bred Or Have Never Won Two Races Or
Claiming Price $50,000. (Condition Eligibility)
Weight 120 lbs.
Non-winners Of A Race Since July 21 3 lbs.
Claiming Price $50,000
(Races Where Entered For $35,000 Or Less Not Considered)

[johnny pinwheel]

hot cha cha is as honest as they can be......i'll take a stab at 6-1.

[RockHardTen1985]

We are hoping they use this race

SUBSTITUTE RACE NO 1 ALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING S1 Purse $41,480. (Includes $10,980 from the I.O.A. for ICF) For Fillies Two
Years Old Which Have Never Won $8,800 Once Other Than Maiden,
Claiming, Starter, Or State Bred Or Have Never Won Two Races Or
Claiming Price $50,000. (Condition Eligibility)
Weight 120 lbs.
Non-winners Of A Race Since July 21 3 lbs.
Claiming Price $50,000
(Races Where Entered For $35,000 Or Less Not Considered)


If they do, Good Luck to you guys.

[South Beach Luv]

We are hoping they use this race



Nightcap? :tro:

[GBBob]

Nightcap? :tro:

lol..12 hole AGAIN...can't make it up.

[Scav]

11 out of 12 races on the lawn and suppose to be a beautiful day outside. Throw that in with an open bar and our honorary captain Onebadbeast for the Saturday and it truly is a festival.

If you are handicapping it, make sure you know if they are on the inner or the outer. I am probably just reminding myself though because according to Ateam, no one cares about a million dollar race on the lawn at the most beautiful track on the country.

[ateamstupid]

11 out of 12 races on the lawn and suppose to be a beautiful day outside. Throw that in with an open bar and our honorary captain Onebadbeast for the Saturday and it truly is a festival.

If you are handicapping it, make sure you know if they are on the inner or the outer. I am probably just reminding myself though because according to Ateam, no one cares about a million dollar race on the lawn at the most beautiful track on the country.

http://www.mazeguy.net/symbolic/pacifier.gif

I knew that would stick with you. And that started because you equated being a racing fan in NY to "being onsite and cheering one of those NY bred turf sprints home." As for Arlington being the most beautiful track "on" the country, you sure as hell weren't saying that when you were at Saratoga. http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif

[Scav]

http://www.mazeguy.net/symbolic/pacifier.gif

I knew that would stick with you. And that started because you equated being a racing fan in NY to "being onsite and cheering one of those NY bred turf sprints home." As for Arlington being the most beautiful track "on" the country, you sure as hell weren't saying that when you were at Saratoga. http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif

You didn't ask plant-wise. There is NO track more beautiful structure wise in the United States then Arlington.

Saratoga is a different beast. The 'plant' is old school and I will never argue that the backyard atmosphere is beatable because it isn't, the only thing comparable is Del Mar and I still think Saratoga is better.

I still don't get how being excited and talking about how awesome it was to be onsite to see Zenyatta win the BCC is ball breaking territory. Which is how you started it all

[ateamstupid]

I still don't get how being excited and talking about how awesome it was to be onsite to see Zenyatta win the BCC is ball breaking territory. Which is how you started it all

Because you've allowed it to completely cloud your judgment of her and her campaign. The first time you told me about how the crowd went wild at SA wasn't in response to a question about what it was like at the track that day. It was in response to a question about her place in history and the crowd reaction in the Classic was irrelevant to that discussion.

[NTamm1215]

Because you've allowed it to completely cloud your judgment of her and her campaign. The first time you told me about how the crowd went wild at SA wasn't in response to a question about what it was like at the track that day. It was in response to a question about her place in history and the crowd reaction in the Classic was irrelevant to that discussion.

For what it's worth, the crowd went berserk at Monmouth when Rachel won the Haskell. Not that I want to start one of these arguments...

NT

[ateamstupid]

For what it's worth, the crowd went berserk at Monmouth when Rachel won the Haskell. Not that I want to start one of these arguments...

NT

They went nuts for her at Saratoga too. Therefore I'm just so thankful that they didn't retire her and we get to see her this year. Am I dissatisfied? Sure. But I'm just so grateful and satisfied that we get to see her.

[South Beach Luv]

11 out of 12 races on the lawn and suppose to be a beautiful day outside. Throw that in with an open bar and our honorary captain Onebadbeast for the Saturday and it truly is a festival.

If you are handicapping it, make sure you know if they are on the inner or the outer. I am probably just reminding myself though because according to Ateam, no one cares about a million dollar race on the lawn at the most beautiful track on the country.

My open bar will consist of the two pints of Vodka I sneak in my pants pockets

[ateamstupid]

My open bar will consist of the two pints of Vodka I sneak in my pants pockets

:tro: that's my strategy since they banned booze at the Belmont Stakes.

[intense]

PPs

http://www.arlingtonpark.com/sites/arlingtonpark.com/files/pps_big%203.pdf

[Mike]

Romacocca can't possibly go off at 20-1, can she?:$:

[cakes44]

The Irish one says Wigmore Hall is gonna run huge. It screws up my plans because that makes him an auto use for me, two deep, Wigmore Hall and Paddy O Prado

Why haven't they run him against anyone worth a darn yet?

Another thing that scares me away from that horse...the Jamie Spencer factor. It can never be underestimated.

[NTamm1215]

Why haven't they run him against anyone worth a darn yet?

Another thing that scares me away from that horse...the Jamie Spencer factor. It can never be underestimated.

I was thinking the same thing but his trainer said in the DRF article that since he's a gelding, they've been looking for bigger money spots. He also said that if he were to run him in group company his rating would go up and he'd have to carry more weight.

Here's the story: http://www.drf.com/news/gentler-wigmore-hall-stepping-secretariat

NT

[brianwspencer]

Apparently Rainbow View is out.

?

[jwkniska]

Apparently Rainbow View is out.

?

tendon injury

[jwkniska]

Marsh Side - OUT (didn't make flight today, so AP assuming scratch)
Rainbow View - OUT (tendon)
Two Notch Road - OUT (102 fever)

[Alan07]

Media Advisory: Late Updates on Saturday’s International Festival


ARLINGTON MILLION ENTRANT MARSH SIDE NOT ON BOARD FLIGHT
Robert Evans’ Marsh Side, entered Tuesday for Saturday’s 28th running of the Arlington Million, was not aboard the equine charter from Southern California earlier this week and is not expected to run although no official scratch card had been filed as of mid-Thursday afternoon.


RAINBOW VIEW SCRATCHED FROM SATURDAY’S BEVERLY D. STAKES
Augustin Stable’s Rainbow View, entered Tuesday for Saturday’s Beverly D. Stakes as the sister race to the Arlington Million, has been scratched out of the upcoming filly-and-mare test due to a tendon injury according to word received Thursday in Arlington’s racing office.


TWO NOTCH ROAD WITHDRAWN FROM SATURDAY’S SECRETARIAT STAKES
James Hackman and Glenn Thompson’s Two Notch Road, entered Tuesday for Saturday’s Secretariat Stakes as the final leg of Arlington’s Mid-America Triple, was never shipped from his Monmouth Park base after coming down with a 102-degree temperature, according to word received in Arlington’s racing office from trainer Thompson.

[Scav]

The Bev D might be the best betting race that I have ever seen at Arlington, I'll be using all but Romancaca and Hot Cha Cha.

The Million might be the 2nd best betting race that I have ever seen at Arlington. Word is that Gio Ponti doesn't look all that great, and even on the sheets he is one of many. Should have plenty of opportunities to make some scores.

[RockHardTen1985]

Good luck Thomas.

[jwkniska]

The Bev D might be the best betting race that I have ever seen at Arlington, I'll be using all but Romancaca and Hot Cha Cha.

The Million might be the 2nd best betting race that I have ever seen at Arlington. Word is that Gio Ponti doesn't look all that great, and even on the sheets he is one of many. Should have plenty of opportunities to make some scores.

I hope that means we hit the pick 3, because if GP doesn't win, it should pay a ton better!

[Scav]

Good luck Thomas.

Because I'm a busy boy the next 48 hours

7: 2
8: 1,4
9: 1,3,4,6,7,9,10
10: 2,3,4,7,8,9,10

8: 1,4
9: 1,3,4,6,7,9,10
10: 2,3,4,7,8,9,10

Presses on Paddy

R4 I think Recapturetheglory is a great win bet, should be under the radar with Giant Oak, Gran Estreno, and the one less win Exchanging Kisses.

The rest of the card is better then expected. R1 looks like Catalano and R2 is unbettable.

Last race, I think Tellme All aboutIt could be tough but would use with Catinatree. I also think Surfer Rosa is gonna run a big race. She will be extreme value in the Exacta's and tri's.

[hockey2315]

The more I look the more Paddy just looks like a single.

I'm starting to really like Gypsy's Warning in the Bev D.

I think Debussy is the Euro you want in the Million, but I'll use all three trying to beat Gio, even though I'm a fan.

[RockHardTen1985]

I'm tossing Paddy for Jamie Spencer. I'm tossing Gio for a 5 deep spread, and I don't think the Beverly D is that wide open, I'm leaning on Mott and the 1.

[Scav]

The more I look the more Paddy just looks like a single.

I'm starting to really like Gypsy's Warning in the Bev D.

I think Debussy is the Euro you want in the Million, but I'll use all three trying to beat Gio, even though I'm a fan.

The only person I listen to in regards to handicapping is Brockguy, he tells me this horse can beat him, so I gotta use him, how much will depend on how they bet the horse.

[RockHardTen1985]

The only person I listen to in regards to handicapping is Brockguy, he tells me this horse can beat him, so I gotta use him, how much will depend on how they bet the horse.


I might be calling Saturday for live play by play.

[NTamm1215]

The more I look the more Paddy just looks like a single.

I'm starting to really like Gypsy's Warning in the Bev D.

I think Debussy is the Euro you want in the Million, but I'll use all three trying to beat Gio, even though I'm a fan.

I don't see Debussy at all. He looks like he wants some cut in the ground and seems a little off form. Tactically I think Tazeez is the best of the Euros by far and he's the one I'm using.

NT

[RockHardTen1985]

Goodnight Nickey, Thomas and Brian.

[tiggerv]

Last race, I think Tellme All aboutIt could be tough but would use with Catinatree. I also think Surfer Rosa is gonna run a big race. She will be extreme value in the Exacta's and tri's.

Wow, she got the post in Siberia. :mad:

Wigmore Hall is beating older in England so he is obviously talented. He may be up against it with the closing from the clouds style in a short field and one of the speeds scratching. Assuming Kent has Paddy stalking and getting first jump then he should win. I can't single him though.

[brockguy]

I was thinking the same thing but his trainer said in the DRF article that since he's a gelding, they've been looking for bigger money spots. He also said that if he were to run him in group company his rating would go up and he'd have to carry more weight.

Here's the story: http://www.drf.com/news/gentler-wigmore-hall-stepping-secretariat

NT

Michael Bell has gone up ten fold in my eyes by using my favourite phrase "See you next Tuesday"

Wigmore Hall has a great chance - his RPR are a bit lower than I thought they would be, but he is a rapidly improving 3yo and his last run was mightily impressive!*

[hockey2315]

I don't see Debussy at all. He looks like he wants some cut in the ground and seems a little off form. Tactically I think Tazeez is the best of the Euros by far and he's the one I'm using.

NT

I think it's pretty futile trying to determine which Euros like what type of ground. . . I also don't think he's off form at all. I give him mild excuses for his last two and neither was a terrible try. He'll save ground sitting right behind Tazeez and the 5 and I'd rather have him than a six-year-old gelding. I'm still using all three, though.

[CSC]

Interesting that Gerald Butler 'the trainer' not actor, onced worked for D Wayne Lukas. Pathattack has a good draw and has all the looks of a dangerous Euro, I'll use both her and Summit Surge in the Million and Bev D.

[CSC]

I don't see Debussy at all. He looks like he wants some cut in the ground and seems a little off form. Tactically I think Tazeez is the best of the Euros by far and he's the one I'm using.

NT

Summit Surge needs fast ground, he doesn't like cut in the ground, with 60% chance of precipitation for Sat, hopefully for him if it does rain it will be during the day of the race. There is a big difference from a course that is soaked with rain overnight and a firm course that is exposed to rain during the day of the races, a yielding course can still produce fast times, this is how I judge if a course is truly soft.

[brianwspencer]

I don't see Debussy at all. He looks like he wants some cut in the ground and seems a little off form. Tactically I think Tazeez is the best of the Euros by far and he's the one I'm using.

NT

That's completely how I felt looking at the race on paper, but after seeing the pair of them together in the morning the last two days, I'm not quite as sure as I was before. On paper, I don't see how Debussy gets the job done, but oh my, this guy in the mornings....

One word that describes Debussy since settling into Arlington? Swagger.

[South Beach Luv]

In for the Aaron Vercruysse long shots tonight on HRTV, they preview the races at 7:30 CST

[jwkniska]

got a little rain overnight, but with rain having moved out for the most part... track will be good, drying out to firm turf as soon as the sun comes out.

[PatCummings]

That's completely how I felt looking at the race on paper, but after seeing the pair of them together in the morning the last two days, I'm not quite as sure as I was before. On paper, I don't see how Debussy gets the job done, but oh my, this guy in the mornings....

One word that describes Debussy since settling into Arlington? Swagger.

I've been sucked in by morning work looks before, but totally agree with NTamm. Very few non-accomplished foreign shippers run their career best race in the Arlington Million.

Summit Surge just ran the best race of his career...will he double up? Debussy does not class up to these and was still beaten by Summit Surge last time. Tazeez fits most - his third in the Prince of Wales's was a monster effort in a great race and he gets back to ten furlongs. He'll be the only Euro on my tickets in the race.

[CSC]

1st race in 1:02.04 on yielding-good turf. Not much cut in the ground.

[Sightseek]

Nice win for Mr. D. :)

[CSC]

Summit Surge and Debussy are going off at a nice price, key them to win and over Gio Ponti and you make pick up a slick win/exacta.

[Sightseek]

Good ride in the Million.

[eajinabi]

Summit Surge and Debussy are going off at a nice price, key them to win and over Gio Ponti and you make pick up a slick win/exacta.

Bam! Good Call!

[PatCummings]

I've been sucked in by morning work looks before, but totally agree with NTamm. Very few non-accomplished foreign shippers run their career best race in the Arlington Million.

Summit Surge just ran the best race of his career...will he double up? Debussy does not class up to these and was still beaten by Summit Surge last time. Tazeez fits most - his third in the Prince of Wales's was a monster effort in a great race and he gets back to ten furlongs. He'll be the only Euro on my tickets in the race.

And I'm not betting for...oh, at least two weeks

[the_fat_man]

Incredibly INEXCUSABLE ride by Dominguez. Tons the best and gets the horse beat. Guess he's only good at the save ground-last move ride on claimers.

[eajinabi]

Incredibly INEXCUSABLE ride by Dominguez. Tons the best and gets the horse beat. Guess he's only good at the save ground-last move ride on claimers.

I have been saying that for a while. When real money is on the line he doesnt deliver. However most people on this board thinks he is the greatest turf rider in the last 30 yrs

[tiggerv]

Hard to ask for a better trip from Tazeez and he still couldn't get it done.

Need Perfect Shirl tonight to make it up.

[brockguy]

Buick cut it fine turned a near disastrous ride into a winning one - he is a smashing lad.. would have been fun to cheer him home with the Chicago guys in the stands :)

[horseofcourse]

Incredibly INEXCUSABLE ride by Dominguez. Tons the best and gets the horse beat. Guess he's only good at the save ground-last move ride on claimers.

Just a question...did you actually watch the race?? On what planet is Gio Ponti tons better than Debussy today considering the winners issues?

[NTamm1215]

I don't see Debussy at all.

That's the approach I'm taking with Eclair de Lune and really have no idea why everyone is on her so much.

These pretty much sum up my day.



I think Debussy is the Euro you want in the Million, but I'll use all three trying to beat Gio, even though I'm a fan.

Good call!

NT

[CSC]

Bam! Good Call!

Thanks.

[CSC]

Buick cut it fine turned a near disastrous ride into a winning one - he is a smashing lad.. would have been fun to cheer him home with the Chicago guys in the stands :)

Buick is an up and comer, he rode a blinder in the EP Taylor last year. I like this kid.

[hockey2315]

These pretty much sum up my day.



Good call!

NT

Thanks. . . Had the win, but Eclaire de Lune killed me too. So did the Lemon Drop Kid not getting up in the GIII.

[declansharbor]

Thanks. . . Had the win, but Eclaire de Lune killed me too. So did the Lemon Drop Kid not getting up in the GIII.

I could cry. That was tough to swallow.

Good call in the feature!

[PatCummings]

Hard to ask for a better trip from Tazeez and he still couldn't get it done.


Are you serious? What race were you watching?

Tazeez hopped in the air then swerved out at the start, spotted next to last almost two lengths, then was rushed up under Richard Hills to pass the entire field in the first quarter mile, settled on the rail, then sped up to run a 23.3 third quarter, was sent for home with three furlongs left, and despite all of this, was STILL beaten only 2.5 lengths. He did the most running.

[Bogey]

Are you serious? What race were you watching?

Tazeez hopped in the air then swerved out at the start, spotted next to last almost two lengths, then was rushed up under Richard Hills to pass the entire field in the first quarter mile, settled on the rail, then sped up to run a 23.3 third quarter, was sent for home with three furlongs left, and despite all of this, was STILL beaten only 2.5 lengths. He did the most running.Totally agree after his terrible start took him out of his game. Fine effort. Gosden came loaded this year. Congrats to him for finally getting the win in the MILLION. Class act. Congrats to all connected with Debussy. Probably pointed to the BC Turf at CD according to Gosden.

[tiggerv]

You guys are overrating his trouble at the start. It was no worse a trip than GP being 7 wide or Debussy being blocked the entire turn into the stretch.

[NTamm1215]

You guys are overrating his trouble at the start. It was no worse a trip than GP being 7 wide or Debussy being blocked the entire turn into the stretch.

You're not really trying to say that Tazeez and Debussy had comparably troubled trips are you? I really hope not, Debussy's trip was absolutely AMAZING.

NT

[Bogey]

You guys are overrating his trouble at the start. It was no worse a trip than GP being 7 wide or Debussy being blocked the entire turn into the stretch.He was taken out of his game, he wants to be forwardly placed and made the adjustment.

[PatCummings]

You guys are overrating his trouble at the start. It was no worse a trip than GP being 7 wide or Debussy being blocked the entire turn into the stretch.

Wow. This is the exact opposite of pure genius. Have you watched the replay? Debussy waited for a spot to open at the top of the stretch...and it did. Pretty perfect in my eye. Gio Ponti angled wide at the midpoint of the far turn, he wasn't seven wide the whole way.

Both had easier trips than Tazeez, by far.

[tiggerv]

You're not really trying to say that Tazeez and Debussy had comparably troubled trips are you? I really hope not, Debussy's trip was absolutely AMAZING.

NT

Debussy wins by 5+ if he is not blocked by slugs Quite a Handful and General Quarters on the turn. He was absolutely loaded but had to sit and wait. I wouldn't call any of their trips troubled either. My only point was GP and Debussy likely lost as many lengths as Tazeez did when he reared.

[PatCummings]

Debussy wins by 5+ if he is not blocked by slugs Quite a Handful and General Quarters on the turn. He was absolutely loaded but had to sit and wait. I wouldn't call any of their trips troubled either. My only point was GP and Debussy likely lost as many lengths as Tazeez did when he reared.

When did Debussy lose lengths due to anyone in that race, maybe a length, MAYBE, leaving the backstretch (but that was due to others quickening before he did).

It's not just about losing ground to me, it's about being completely thrown off your game, rushed up, backed down, then asked to run your fastest quarter in the third quarter of a five quarter race, and STILL being in the frame at the end.

[jwkniska]

One word that describes Debussy since settling into Arlington? Swagger.

Brian, great call!

[brianwspencer]

Brian, great call!

Thanks, JW -- wasn't sold on paper, but couldn't count him out after the AM works.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I have been saying that for a while. When real money is on the line he doesnt deliver. However most people on this board thinks he is the greatest turf rider in the last 30 yrs

I don't know about 30 - but he's unquestionably the best turf rider since Bailey retired - and for my money he's better than Bailey ever was in turf races.

[VOL JACK]

Totally agree after his terrible start took him out of his game. Fine effort. Gosden came loaded this year. Congrats to him for finally getting the win in the MILLION. Class act. Congrats to all connected with Debussy. Probably pointed to the BC Turf at CD according to Gosden.


Lock city!!

[Bogey]

[/B]
Lock city!!Let's hope that PG doesn't hop aboard.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

[/B]
Lock city!!

I doubt it.

I would obviously expect a much deeper group of Euro's to show up for the BC Turf than the 3 who came over for the AP Million today.

Running over the top of Gio Ponti isn't exactly impressive when he applies the air breaks like he did. The 3rd place finisher in the Million got a really oddball ride. He reared at the start - pushed the pace - and his rider acted as though the 1/4 pole was really the finish line. That was like vintage Jamie Spencer.

[eajinabi]

I don't know about 30 - but he's unquestionably the best turf rider since Bailey retired - and for my money he's better than Bailey ever was in turf races.

Value wise you are going to get a better price on Dominguez than you would on Bailey. HOWEVER when the going gets tough I would take bailey over Dominguez anyday. Dominguez is a great common every day claiming rider but he is no Bailey.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8a4dDuND-E&feature=search


By the way: Bailey had a ton of caddy's for guys like Mott and Frankel in those big Gr 1 turf races.

[eajinabi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8a4dDuND-E&feature=search


By the way: Bailey had a ton of caddy's for guys like Mott and Frankel in those big Gr 1 turf races.

Nice link. Dominguez wins his lone BC win. What does that prove??

If I could only find the link for Baileys win on Chester House in the 2000 Arlington million as a rebuttal. Brilliant ride!

[-BT-]

When did Debussy lose lengths due to anyone in that race, maybe a length, MAYBE, leaving the backstretch (but that was due to others quickening before he did).

It's not just about losing ground to me, it's about being completely thrown off your game, rushed up, backed down, then asked to run your fastest quarter in the third quarter of a five quarter race, and STILL being in the frame at the end.

excellent ride by the jock, i thought he did lose some lengths when the 5 started backing up, almost thought the five was gonna take him out of the whole race. I literally told myself (no lie) watching the replay if the 2 gets a hole he looks the best, never thought he had the turn of foot to gun down gio ponti though, that horse came flying. one of the most patient rides i've seen in years, much the best today.

-bt-

[GPK]

Anyone have a link to the replays? Calracing doesn't show AP

[The Indomitable DrugS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aW3VqJVgCo

[Bigsmc]

Anyone have a link to the replays? Calracing doesn't show AP

You have to sign up (it's free).

http://www.arlingtonpark.com/video

[GPK]

Free? I like that word.:)

Thanks guys.

[GPK]

Pretty patient ride from that kid. Nice turn of foot by the winner too.

[brockguy]

Pretty patient ride from that kid. Nice turn of foot by the winner too.

I'm not certain it was patient by design! He pretty much had to sit and suffer, but once he got out the acceleration was brilliant! It was an excellent weekend for Buick as he went to France today and won a G1 on a ridiculous outsider!!

[GPK]

I'm not certain it was patient by design! He pretty much had to sit and suffer, but once he got out the acceleration was brilliant! It was an excellent weekend for Buick as he went to France today and won a G1 on a ridiculous outsider!!

He also could have panicked and tried to force something that wasn't there.

[RockHardTen1985]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY_2hGpysrQ&feature=related

[hockey2315]

hahahaha i saw that too

[brockguy]

Anyone else see the irony of the Bev D and Arlington Million winner?? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlvUepMa31o

[RockHardTen1985]

Anyone else see the irony of the Bev D and Arlington Million winner?? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlvUepMa31o


Twilight?

[hockey2315]

Twilight?

DUDE

[Sightseek]

Twilight?

Debussy was a composer - one of his works was Clair de lune.

[RockHardTen1985]

Debussy was a composer - one of his works was Clair de lune.


I know and they refer to it in Twilight, multiple times.
Come on.... Sharpen up on your Twilight....

[RockHardTen1985]

DUDE


Dude what? Im a big fan of the Twilight saga... Edward and Bella.

[Sightseek]

I know and they refer to it in Twilight, multiple times.
Come on.... Sharpen up on your Twilight....

Isn't that for teenage girls?

[RockHardTen1985]

Isn't that for teenage girls?


I think we have gone over this before.

[Indian Charlie]

Go over it again please.

[RockHardTen1985]

Go over it again please.


Its just a great movie series. I love all 3 of them, and am eagerly awaiting the 4th.

[brockguy]

Its just a great movie series. I love all 3 of them, and am eagerly awaiting the 4th.


I have never seen any of them and barely heard of it - can u give me a quick synopsis of what happens?

[Scav]

I have never seen any of them and barely heard of it - can u give me a quick synopsis of what happens?

Its vampires....With your newest FB picture, it is possible you will be like it.

[RockHardTen1985]

I have never seen any of them and barely heard of it - can u give me a quick synopsis of what happens?


Its just an epic tale, an absoulte classic. It makes me tingle.

[brockguy]

Its just an epic tale, an absoulte classic. It makes me tingle.

What is in it for people like me - I thought that only teenage girls who like Gossip Girl watch it??


Its vampires....With your newest FB picture, it is possible you will be like it.

eh.. Thanks :)

[RockHardTen1985]

What is in it for people like me - I thought that only teenage girls who like Gossip Girl watch it??




eh.. Thanks :)

There are hot girls in it, Edwards sister Alice is GORGOUS. I love her hair. Edward is the main vampire.

[clyde]

I read the first book.



I am not gay.

[RockHardTen1985]

I read the first book.



I am not gay.


I knew we had something in common.

[clyde]

Holy Mother of God!!

[RockHardTen1985]

Holy Mother of God!!

Who was your favorite character in the first book?

[clyde]

I didn't read it!!





I lied!

[RockHardTen1985]

I didn't read it!!





I lied!


Typical man....

[brockguy]

There are hot girls in it, Edwards sister Alice is GORGOUS. I love her hair. Edward is the main vampire.

ok thanks, so is it like a grown up version of Harry Potter??

and if you want to get back to racing, is there an American horse who can win the BC Turf. Paddy or The Usual QT???

[RockHardTen1985]

ok thanks, so is it like a grown up version of Harry Potter??

and if you want to get back to racing, is there an American horse who can win the BC Turf. Paddy or The Usual QT???


LOL... Paddy cant.
The Usual QT is OK, but not nearly as good as your turf horses. I would say the Euros have a HUGE ADVANTAGE, even bigger then normal.

[GPK]

ok thanks, so is it like a grown up version of Harry Potter??

and if you want to get back to racing, is there an American horse who can win the BC Turf. Paddy or The Usual QT???

I laughed.

[Bigsmc]

Its just an epic tale, an absoulte classic. It makes me tingle.

Stop it

[RockHardTen1985]

Stop it

Im being serious, Im watching New Moon right now.

[clyde]

Say,isn't that Edward Towers?

[GPK]

Stop it

Come on Bigs. Surely you enjoy people running around and all of a sudden they turn into vampires and wolves so they can fight each other. I mean, it's soooo realistic:rolleyes:

[robfla]

Im being serious, Im watching New Moon right now.

http://i36.tinypic.com/jaji1c.gif

[Bigsmc]

Come on Bigs. Surely you enjoy people running around and all of a sudden they turn into vampires and wolves so they can fight each other. I mean, it's soooo realistic:rolleyes:

Somehow I've managed to miss this phenomenon PG speaks of.

I really thought he was making this up to see what kind of response he'd get. Now that he is claiming to be serious, I'm not sure what to think.

[Bigsmc]

Typical man....

This also perplexes me.

[RockHardTen1985]

This also perplexes me.

LOL

[brockguy]

I laughed.

I actually rate The Usual QT a fair bit - I think if his stamina held out he would have a wicked turn of foot over 12...

I suppose it all depends on what Euros show up. He could get lucky and get a very easy field like in 2007 :)

[RockHardTen1985]

http://i36.tinypic.com/jaji1c.gif

Im not gay.

[Indian Charlie]

I read the first book.

I am not gay.


I knew we had something in common.


What's that? A mistake in your sexual identities?

[RockHardTen1985]

What's that? A mistake in your sexual identities?

I want my software, lets do it tonight.

[GPK]

I actually rate The Usual QT a fair bit - I think if his stamina held out he would have a wicked turn of foot over 12...

I suppose it all depends on what Euros show up. He could get lucky and get a very easy field like in 2007 :)
:tro:
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s6/golfprokev/bc07tu63_ae.jpg

[clyde]

What's that? A mistake in your sexual identities?


Suck my dick..you drag queen.

[Dahoss]

Im being serious, Im watching New Moon right now.

What's your favorite Miley Cyrus song?

[RockHardTen1985]

What's your favorite Miley Cyrus song?


I dont like her, and lets be realistic... We both know you watch Twilight.