8/7 (SAR): Whitney H., Test S. (G1's); Hattie Moseley

[Alan07]

8th (4:42) Hattie Moseley S.

1 Mile (Inner Turf) | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $70,000

1 Ambitoness Garcia Alan 118 L
2 Protesting Leparoux J R 118 L
3 Barracks Road Maragh R 122 L
4 Snow Top Mountain Gomez G K 118 L
5 Sea Road Velasquez C 122 L
6 Hyperlink Dominguez R A 118 L
7 Diosa Indian Velazquez J R 118 L
8 Ultimate Class Castellano J J 118 L
9 Shirley She Can Lezcano J 118 L
10 Ailalea Prado E S 118 Blk-Off L
11 La Cloche Velazquez J R 118 L
12 Olive Eye Castellano J J 118 L
13 Elle Special Mena M 118 L



9th (5:14) Test S. (G1)

7 Furlongs | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 Pica Slew Cruz M R 118 L
2 Buckleupbuttercup Leparoux J R 118 L
3 Champagne d'Oro Mena M 122 L
4 Bonnie Blue Flag Velazquez J R 116 L
5 SCR
6 Lovely Lil Garcia Alan 116 L
7 Belle of the Hall Dominguez R A 116 L
8 Ash Zee Maragh R 116 L
9 Christine Daae Fragoso P 116 Blk-On L
10 Tidal Pool Borel C H 116 L



10th (5:47) Whitney H. (G1)

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $750,000

1 Mine That Bird Borel C H 118 L
2 Blame Gomez G K 121 L
3 Quality Road Velazquez J R 126 L
4 Haynesfield Dominguez R A 116 L
5 Jardim (BRZ) Leparoux J R 113 L
6 Musket Man Maragh R 117 L

[philcski]

Good field for the Test. Looking forward to that one.

[Merlinsky]

C'mon Borel drew the rail? This is a sign, people. A sign, I tells ya. ;) In all seriousness, we joke about Bo-rail but how often does he start on the rail and win on it vs a victory from other post positions? Not that it matters with MTB, he'll be at the back no matter what post he starts at. I was just interested in the stat.

[hockey2315]

Good field for the Test. Looking forward to that one.

Pica Slew in a romp. Probably not a particularly lucrative opinion on its own, though.

It's a shame they took her away from Calascibetta, though.

[philcski]

Pica Slew in a romp. Probably not a particularly lucrative opinion on its own, though.

It's a shame they took her away from Calascibetta, though.

I think you'll get a better price than you think. Maybe as high as 5/1. Don't know what the Thoro number was on the Azalea (yet) but I think between Fanny Freud, Bonnie Blue Flag, and Champagne D'Oro there will be at least 3 others taking money.

I like Buckleupbuttercup a bit if she's the 8-1 I think she'll be.

As for taking her away- it's possible Calascibetta doesn't have a license in New York and they don't want to waste time going through the process. Never seen him run one outside of Florida.

[hockey2315]

As for taking her away- it's possible Calascibetta doesn't have a license in New York and they don't want to waste time going through the process. Never seen him run one outside of Florida.

Ya I thought about that. . . It's possible.

[Scav]

Ya I thought about that. . . It's possible.

And trust me, its a PROCESS. It isn't simple, plus, in terms of a trainer, I think they want you to have full work comp for only one horse.

Would Cruz still be riding if it went to a different trainer? I think Phil's thought is dead on.

[the_fat_man]

Would Cruz still be riding if it went to a different trainer?

BAD idea.

[ateamstupid]

Another outstanding Saturday card put together by NYRA.

[the_fat_man]

Another outstanding Saturday card put together by NYRA.

Now, if only they can keep that SPEED bias going, there should be some bigtime figs.:rolleyes:

[Indian Charlie]

Another outstanding Saturday card put together by NYRA.

Now, if only I could say something that wasn't completely and totally 100% negative about that, or anything for that matter.:rolleyes:

Fixed all your typos again.

[Smooth Operator]

You ain't seen nuthin yet, fats

Wait till RA makes that 10f attempt later in the month

They'll have that strip playing like the German Autobahn.

[the_fat_man]

You ain't seen nuthin yet, fats

Wait till RA makes that 10f attempt later in the month

They'll have that strip playing like the German Autobahn.

And then the same ****ers DEMAND that Z ship in for a race. After the results of the 2 turn races the past few weeks, would you ship in a closer? Sure. Of course.:rolleyes: You ship your horse cross county and then get hit with a speed bias. And if your horse is 17 for 17, 5 years from now, the same ****ers are calling you an idiot. NYRA has a HISTORY of NOT playing FAIR. Screw 'em. Of course, they're real good about 'looking the other way' with Pletcher up there; 'cause, his horses are FAST.

[RockHardTen1985]

Pica Slew in a romp. Probably not a particularly lucrative opinion on its own, though.

It's a shame they took her away from Calascibetta, though.

I dont like her, not at all.

[hockey2315]

Sooo good to know.

[Coach Pants]

I like Ash Zee so be sure to toss her.

[Alan07]

Sunday
8th (4:55) Honorable Miss H. (G2)

6 Furlongs | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 One Smokin' Lady Napravnik A R 115 L
2 Warbling Leparoux J R 119 L
3 Hour Glass Cohen D 118 L
4 Secret Gypsy Theriot J 117 L
5 Pretty Prolific Prado E S 118 L

9th (5:30) A.G. Vanderbilt H. (G1)

6 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 Gayego Garcia Alan 120 L
2 Mambo Meister Cruz M R 117 L
3 Temecula Creek Velasquez C 113 L
4 Big Drama Coa E M 120 L
5 Majesticperfection Bridgmohan S X 116 L
6 Bribon (FR) Gomez G K 120 L
7 Smokey Fire Castellano J J 116 L

[ateamstupid]

Very strong field in the Vanderbilt.

[Indian Charlie]

My sister lives in Temecula. I think Temecula Creek will win the Vandy!

[kgar311]

15-1ml on Christine Daae? im all over that.

[AlreadyHome]

5 Majesticperfection Bridgmohan S X 116 L this is the winner:tro::$:

[my miss storm cat]

Buttercup in the Test.

[Thunder Gulch]

Buttercup in the Test.

I like her too and was going to hook her up with Christine Daae, but early wagering has Buttercup getting hammered down....we'll see.

[my miss storm cat]

I was hoping the odds on Champagne d'Oro would stay where they were... was planning on using her underneath.

Have my win bet in but am still playing around with my super.

Belle of the Hall is at 9/2 right now :eek:... I'm not seeing that at all.

Good luck to you.

[my miss storm cat]

I am so glad I left Belle of the Hall out of my super. :wf

Hope you did well.

[ateamstupid]

I am so glad I left Belle of the Hall out of my super. :wf

Hope you did well.

My three A's ran last, second last and third last, so I doubt you did worse than me.

[tiggerv]

Whoa

[2Hot4TV]

What hoppin?

[ateamstupid]

I do believe we have a new leader in the HOY race. What a gutsy horse Blame is.

[the_fat_man]

He can get 10F. Yeah. No problem. :rolleyes:

Did he go SLOW enough early?

Too bad, for him, this wasn't LAST WEEK'S track.

[Hoist Her Flag]

They needed 2 months off two run2nd

[Rileyoriley]

I do believe we have a new leader in the HOY race. What a gutsy horse Blame is.

Very professional racehorse. Goes out and does what he has to.:tro:

[2Hot4TV]

QR had it his own way and you can see QR shift gears in mid stretch, but it wasnt enough to beat the winner.

[pba1817]

Crawled early and crawled late and got tagged... this isn't Gulfstream Park.

[Travis Stone]

Blame is for real.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

He can get 10F. Yeah. No problem. :rolleyes:

Did he go SLOW enough early?

Too bad, for him, this wasn't LAST WEEK'S track.

Not so tough when he has to 2 turn anywhere other than GULF STREET. Told them that (many times.)

[LARHAGE]

YES!!!!!!

[Travis Stone]

Crawled early and crawled late and got tagged... this isn't Gulfstream Park.

Final three furlogns in 36.96 is nothing to sneeze at, but for Blame, who made up a few lengths while going wide, it's really strong.

[the_fat_man]

Final three furlogns in 36.96 is nothing to sneeze at, but for Blame, who made up a few lengths while going wide, it's really strong.

This was a HUGE run by Blame. 1st of all, Dominguez didn't do his part, getting cute, and not helping with the pace. So, Musket Man is left to get gutted chasing. Then, Gomez is doing his usual herkly/jerky, twirl-the-reins-repeatedly BS in the stretch, never HELPING the horse in the run through the lane. If Cordero is up, for example, BLAME BURIES HIM.

[richard]

He can get 10F. Yeah. No problem. :rolleyes:

Did he go SLOW enough early?

Too bad, for him, this wasn't LAST WEEK'S track.
No question the track has been fairer the end of this week .

[pba1817]

Final three furlogns in 36.96 is nothing to sneeze at, but for Blame, who made up a few lengths while going wide, it's really strong.

Lucky and Zenyatta will eat these two for lunch at 1 1/4...

[NTamm1215]

Lucky and Zenyatta will eat these two for lunch at 1 1/4...

Lookin at Lucky will get his brains bashed in by Blame.

NT

[ateamstupid]

Lucky and Zenyatta will eat these two for lunch at 1 1/4...

WEST COAST RULEZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!11!!!!!!!

[DaTruth]

Blame is for real.

Not a bad performance from a Super Derby runner. :)

[Indian Charlie]

Lookin at Lucky will get his brains bashed in by Blame.

NT

I don't think so, but who knows.

[letswastemoney]

I guess it's time for Mine That Bird to step down in class.

[eajinabi]

I guess it's time for Mine That Bird to step down in class.

Dressage?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

It was the only two-turn dirt route of the entire day.

As for my raw figure for the race ...

96 Pace and 104 Final.

This becomes a tricky figure to make and one you could only make an educated guess at and shouldn't trust.

Either todays track was much slower and more tiring than par - or this group royally sucks. I doubt both the latter and former and the answer is probably somewhere in the middle.

[hockey2315]

I really wasn't impressed by anyone's performance in the race. Guess I missed something. I thought QR was flat and Blame benefitted.

[2Hot4TV]

If everybody stays the coarse and make it to the Breeders Cup Classic it will be a the best yet.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I really wasn't impressed by anyone's performance in the race. Guess I missed something. I thought QR was flat and Blame benefitted.

Most likely.

This was the Quality Road that "showed up" in the Hal's Hope at GP earlier this year. I really hope they have an explanation .. because other than getting hit in the eye repeatedly with a braid bead .. I'm surprised at how awful his race was.

Had he closed his right eye through the stretch or flinched a little more than he did - I would be sold that he might have been distracted, but I doubt that did anything more than just annoy him.

[Travis Stone]

Not a bad performance from a Super Derby runner. :)

I wrote about this on my site, but believe it or not, the list of horses who lost the Super Derby but later won the whitney includes...

Island Whirl
Will's Way
Awesome Again
Lawyer Ron
Blame

[Travis Stone]

I really wasn't impressed by anyone's performance in the race. Guess I missed something. I thought QR was flat and Blame benefitted.

There is some merit here I think. Quality Road was definitely not on his game. I, like many others, was ready to give it to him on the first turn.

I witness first-hand at Gulfstream this year how goofy the track is... it's 9f's but the stretch is short and the jockeys ride it different. You turn for home and you're already at the finish. That helps a horse like Quality Road immensely. Plus, some horses really seem to thrive there... more than the "horse for course" stuff at other tracks.

Regardless though the pace was slow, and Blame was up against it and he still got the job done, and he'll have no problem as the races get longer.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I wrote about this on my site, but believe it or not, the list of horses who lost the Super Derby but later won the whitney includes...

Island Whirl
Will's Way
Awesome Again
Lawyer Ron
Blame

Yeah - I was surprised at how many real good horses haven't fired in the Super Derby and came back strong at 4. Best Pal was off the board in the Super Derby as I'm sure you know.

[Smooth Operator]

Too funny

Yeah, QR sure looks like the "next GZ".



Nuthin like drillin' a horse on synthetic to get them ready for a big dirt race


Lookin At Lucky :tro:

Blame :tro:

[eajinabi]

i wonder if Johnny V looking back 50 times during the race cost him the race.

[Travis Stone]

Yeah - I was surprised at how many real good horses haven't fired in the Super Derby and came back strong at 4. Best Pal was off the board in the Super Derby as I'm sure you know.

Yeah, definiteily. Island Whirl won the Whitney two years later but the rest won it the following season.

[Indian Charlie]

I really wasn't impressed by anyone's performance in the race. Guess I missed something. I thought QR was flat and Blame benefitted.

I could not have said it better myself.

Granted, I didn't expect QR to lose here, but I thought he looked pretty mediocre in the Met. Mediocre might be too strong a word, but I thought the race was intensely overrated. I don't like his action when not running at GP.

[hockey2315]

111 Beyer for Blame (not buying it). . . 97 for Champagne d'Oro. 96 for Brother Bird, six points faster than his Derby winning bro.

[NTamm1215]

111 Beyer for Blame (not buying it). . . 97 for Champagne d'Oro. 96 for Brother Bird, six points faster than his Derby winning bro.

So I'm assuming you're quite skeptical of Champagne d'Oro's figure as well as the decision was clearly made that the track slowed down during the period between the 4th and 9th?

NT

[RockHardTen1985]

Lookin at Lucky will get his brains bashed in by Blame.

NT

Strong from someone who has loved Blame since last year and then does not even pick him on top.

[NTamm1215]

I don't think so, but who knows.

Lookin at Lucky? Are we talking about the same horse? I know you were one of the first to say that Blame's win in the Foster would be overrated but Lookin at Lucky, really?

You must think he's going to do a lot of improving between now and the Breeders' Cup. Blame has run a number of races that are better than Lookin at Lucky's best.

NT

[NTamm1215]

Strong from someone who has loved Blame since last year and then does not even pick him on top.

He was too "slow", right?

NT

[hockey2315]

So I'm assuming you're quite skeptical of Champagne d'Oro's figure as well as the decision was clearly made that the track slowed down during the period between the 4th and 9th?

NT

Ya, sure.

[RockHardTen1985]

Lookin at Lucky? Are we talking about the same horse? I know you were one of the first to say that Blame's win in the Foster would be overrated but Lookin at Lucky, really?

You must think he's going to do a lot of improving between now and the Breeders' Cup. Blame has run a number of races that are better than Lookin at Lucky's best.

NT


This is false, Blame has run 1 race that is better then Luckys best.

[RockHardTen1985]

He was too "slow", right?

NT

Ughh, I think someone in this thread nailed it. QR looked FLAT and Blame took advantage of it. JV should ****ing ride instead of looking back 50x.

[NTamm1215]

This is false, Blame has run 1 race that is better then Luckys best.

Can you reply to the dream thread please?

NT

[RockHardTen1985]

Can you reply to the dream thread please?

NT


Do you know anyone who suggested the dream thread?

[the_fat_man]

Ughh, I think someone in this thread nailed it. QR looked FLAT and Blame took advantage of it. JV should ****ing ride instead of looking back 50x.

Exactly right. Johnny V got the horse beat. The horse is FAST. The horse is the BEST. :rolleyes: The numbers don't lie.

ha ha ha

You should get your ass over to PA and do some damage control with Mike the Eunuch, Da Hoss, CJ, and the rest of the numbers crew.

[tiggerv]

111 Beyer for Blame (not buying it)

So 110 for QR and 108 for MM? Basically the same figures as the Met?

I am sure CJ or someone can justify it, but there is no way that Blame's performance was 8 pts better than the Foster. The track was definitely slow today considering how slow the raw velocity numbers were, but I can't believe it was that slow. Blame basically ran the same race as the Foster where he closed into a slow pace to wear down a loose leader. I figured the number would be closer to 103 which would pair Blame up with the Foster and pair QR up with the Hal's Hope. I don't buy that today was 5 lengths better.

[CSC]

Someone should put a suicide watch at paceadvantage, in particular the owner.

[Dahoss]

Exactly right. Johnny V got the horse beat. The horse is FAST. The horse is the BEST. :rolleyes: The numbers don't lie.

ha ha ha

You should get your ass over to PA and do some damage control with Mike the Eunuch, Da Hoss, CJ, and the rest of the numbers crew.

Admit it, you love me.

[RockHardTen1985]

Admit it, you love me.


I have said that exact same thing to you many times before....

[randallscott35]

Those fractions with that trip there is no reason QR should lose. He's off form or not right or more or a less a miler with an amazing track affinity for GP which allows him to run longer....Don't get me wrong his Gold Cup was good, but he gives me serious pause going longer than a mile.

[Travis Stone]

He's not the next Secretariat, but Mustket Man is pretty cool... 13-for-13 on the board in races from six furlongs to 1 1/4 miles including the Ky. Derby and the Met Mile. Not bad.

[the_fat_man]

Admit it, you love me.

What's comical about the whole thing is that TOM, just about the biggest DOOFUS on the web, actually gets it when it comes to Z and QR and you, CJ, Mike the EUNUCH, and the rest, don't. Hell, even the trip challenged Classhandicapper gets it.

But you all put a lot of effort into it, nonetheless. Keep up the good work.:rolleyes:

[the_fat_man]

He's not the next Secretariat, but Mustket Man is pretty cool... 13-for-13 on the board in races from six furlongs to 1 1/4 miles including the Ky. Derby and the Met Mile is pretty cool.

Come on, Travis. He's a PLUG.

[Travis Stone]

Those fractions with that trip there is no reason QR should lose. He's off form or not right or more or a less a miler with an amazing track affinity for GP which allows him to run longer....Don't get me wrong his Gold Cup was good, but he gives me serious pause going longer than a mile.

When Blame drew alongside Quality Road he did dig in, which counts for something. I don't think he's a router, but more a miler like you said. ntamm1215 said to me something I think is probably spot-on in that they should just let him use his raw speed and not get cute up top... it's almost as if rating him mutes his ability a bit.

[Travis Stone]

Come on, Travis. He's a PLUG.

Who isn't a plug in the game today though?

[randallscott35]

He's not the next Secretariat, but Mustket Man is pretty cool... 13-for-13 on the board in races from six furlongs to 1 1/4 miles including the Ky. Derby and the Met Mile. Not bad.

Completely agree.

[Coach Pants]

Maybe QR needs to take a break and wait for the BCC. :rolleyes:

Why can't horse races run more than 6 times a year?

[Indian Charlie]

Lookin at Lucky? Are we talking about the same horse? I know you were one of the first to say that Blame's win in the Foster would be overrated but Lookin at Lucky, really?

You must think he's going to do a lot of improving between now and the Breeders' Cup. Blame has run a number of races that are better than Lookin at Lucky's best.

NT

I have felt since day 1 that Lookin at Lucky has been an underrated horse.

People assume that since he was the 2yo champ he would not develop into a nice 3yo, but the way I see it, he was your atypical 2yo champion.

I thought that him being a late foal might possibly work to his advantage because he still had maturing to do and had more upside than most 2yo champs going into their three year old year.

I believe this has played out mostly true. If you completely dismiss his 2yo season and treat him as a late to get started 3yo, you'd see that he's a horse still on the improve. He's getting stronger, his races are getting faster and he's winning more easily as well (though getting off that synthetic crap might have a big part of this). If you toss his SA Derby and Ky Derby races, he's shown to have gotten better with each start, with his best two to date being the Preakness and Haskell.

And yeah, I do believe it to be a reasonable thing, tossing his two derbies.

Now, I'm not saying he's the next super horse, but I do believe him to be a really nice horse that does not get the respect that he should.

[Dahoss]

What's comical about the whole thing is that TOM, just about the biggest DOOFUS on the web, actually gets it when it comes to Z and QR and you, CJ, Mike the EUNUCH, and the rest, don't. Hell, even the trip challenged Classhandicapper gets it.

But you all put a lot of effort into it, nonetheless. Keep up the good work.:rolleyes:

Yeah, I've been real involved in all of the discussions lately. :rolleyes:

What's really comical is how fixated you are with what goes on there. Why not just put your tail between your legs, AGAIN, and beg to come back? That way you can take your shots there instead of hiding here (like Zenyatta).

[the_fat_man]

Yeah, I've been real involved in all of the discussions lately. :rolleyes:

What's really comical is how fixated you are with what goes on there. Why not just put your tail between your legs, AGAIN, and beg to come back? That way you can take your shots there instead of hiding here (like Zenyatta).

Funny. When I glanced at the Whitney thread earlier tonight, you were in the middle of it, defending QR and bashing Z (like you usually do).

Fixated? Hardly. There are basically TWO racing related forums online. In between betting, I read some of the posts there and here. As I work out of my house and spend a good portion of the day online, I also frequent a few other forums/sites. This is hardly unusual.

The problem with Mike the Eunuch is that he doesn't play fair. He runs the forum and when things don't go his way, he bans people. His handicapping sucks and so does his opinion. Before he banned me the last time, I sent him a steady stream of PMs with BOMBS I'd posted at other sites. He really got a kick out of that.:rolleyes:

As for my return there last year (or whenever), CJ suggested it. This is hardly the scenario you feel the need to depict. Of course, I could create another ID and post under it, like you were doing here for a while until DrugS busted you. :rolleyes: ha ha ha

Anything else we need to clear up?

You didn't really pick ICE BOX for the Haskel, did you?

you keep me laughing.

[Dahoss]

Funny. When I glanced at the Whitney thread earlier tonight, you were in the middle of it, defending QR and bashing Z (like you usually do).

Fixated? Hardly. There are basically TWO racing related forums online. In between betting, I read some of the posts there and here. As I work out of my house and spend a good portion of the day online, I also frequent a few other forums/sites. This is hardly unusual.

The problem with Mike the Eunuch is that he doesn't play fair. He runs the forum and when things don't go his way, he bans people. His handicapping sucks and so does his opinion. Before he banned me the last time, I sent him a steady stream of PMs with BOMBS I'd posted at other sites. He really got a kick out of that.:rolleyes:

As for my return there last year (or whenever), CJ suggested it. This is hardly the scenario you feel the need to depict. Of course, I could create another ID and post under it, like you were doing here for a while until DrugS busted you. :rolleyes: ha ha ha

Anything else we need to clear up?

You didn't really pick ICE BOX for the Haskel, did you?

you keep me laughing.

That isn't the scenario at all and we both know it. Why you are lying about it is beyond me, but quite funny. The fact you feel the need to make up a long drawn out explanation is hilarious.

The Ice Box stuff is funny. Have you seen what I've done the last two days? Should I detail all of the losers you've put out? Is there enough bandwith here?

You keep me laughing. You might get me one day. Maybe. Pretty big FAIL so far though.

[the_fat_man]

That isn't the scenario at all and we both know it. Why you are lying about it is beyond me, but quite funny. The fact you feel the need to make up a long drawn out explanation is hilarious.

The Ice Box stuff is funny. Have you seen what I've done the last two days? Should I detail all of the losers you've put out? Is there enough bandwith here?

You keep me laughing. You might get me one day. Maybe. Pretty big FAIL so far though.

Check with CJ. He suggested, on this forum, in PM, that I reactivate my account.

Let's do this, since it seems you're focusing on my picks. Go back as long as you want and find 10 picks of yours, that you gave out, that paid OVER $30. When you find them, come back and we'll discuss it some more. Seriously.

I don't need to see what you've done, as I know you can't match my bombs.
The Ice Box pick and your 'misinterpretation' of Jackson Bend's trip in the Preakness were priceless.

10 DaHoss. Get to it. Don't bother me again till then.

[Smooth Operator]

The back and forth between fats and dahoss is one of the best things about this board. :D

[Dahoss]

Check with CJ. He suggested, on this forum, in PM, that I reactivate my account.

Let's do this, since it seems you're focusing on my picks. Go back as long as you want and find 10 picks of yours, that you gave out, that paid OVER $30. When you find them, come back and we'll discuss it some more. Seriously.

I don't need to see what you've done, as I know you can't match my bombs.
The Ice Box pick and your 'misinterpretation' of Jackson Bend's trip in the Preakness were priceless.

10 DaHoss. Get to it. Don't bother me again till then.

You're delusional. No doubt about it. You can't get the best of me, because I'm every bit the handicapper you are and it kills you. Just admit it and move on already.

You have an okay opinion but are a losing player. That much is crystal clear. That is why you spend so much time telling people about how great you are. Feels like you spend a lot of time trying to compensate for shortcomings.

[randallscott35]

Not commenting on who is better b/c I find pissing matches to be no fun. But there is no question that you don't make money in the long term fat man b/c you play far too many races. Sorry.

[the_fat_man]

You're delusional. No doubt about it. You can't get the best of me, because I'm every bit the handicapper you are and it kills you. Just admit it and move on already.

You have an okay opinion but are a losing player. That much is crystal clear. That is why you spend so much time telling people about how great you are. Feels like you spend a lot of time trying to compensate for shortcomings.

I take this to mean that you're not going to be able to come up with those 10 instances of BOMBS. This saddens me to no end. :rolleyes:

[RockHardTen1985]

Not commenting on who is better b/c I find pissing matches to be no fun. But there is no question that you don't make money in the long term fat man b/c you play far too many races. Sorry.


WHy do you have to respond here? LOL and I think just a week ago you said about me " I cant believe your allowed to post hear" You say more total bullshit then anyone, how would you know if he wins LONG TERM? Who knows if he posts all of his plays? I know when Im at work, or out at OTB or racino I NEVER POST THOSE PLAYS ON DT....
As for the one you defend, is it a coincidence all the issues the guy has with people? It used to be me on dt, I have witnessed many arguments with other people, now hes in a contest with some ******* on PA bashing him daily, same old ****.... Its not a pattern?

[stonegossard]

That isn't the scenario at all and we both know it. Why you are lying about it is beyond me, but quite funny. The fact you feel the need to make up a long drawn out explanation is hilarious.

The Ice Box stuff is funny. Have you seen what I've done the last two days? Should I detail all of the losers you've put out? Is there enough bandwith here?

You keep me laughing. You might get me one day. Maybe. Pretty big FAIL so far though.

Whatever happened to TFM's cute little twitter page with his 4 followers. Now that was hilarious. Him whining about bad rides and track surfaces. I guess I would be pretty bent too if I gave out 120 consecutive losing picks.

As far as Ice Box. He has done enough. Especially after winning The Fla Derby at 25-1. Although my late pick 4 bet that I hit that day was beyond lame when I look back.

Why lower yourself to TFM's level. He's a guy with some knowledge of the game, but loses his ass betting. He is an easy target to put on tilt though :rolleyes:

[randallscott35]

WHy do you have to respond here? LOL and I think just a week ago you said about me " I cant believe your allowed to post hear" You say more total bullshit then anyone, how would you know if he wins LONG TERM? Who knows if he posts all of his plays? I know when Im at work, or out at OTB or racino I NEVER POST THOSE PLAYS ON DT....

You wouldn't understand. It wasn't the shot at him you think it was, at all.....Anyone playing that much will lose over the long term. Period. Doug can explain it to you when you sit on his lap.

[RockHardTen1985]

You wouldn't understand. It wasn't the shot at him you think it was, at all.....Anyone playing that much will lose over the long term. Period. Doug can explain it to you when you sit on his lap.


Andy said recently on a PA thread, actually its Hoss contest thread that he has made $ over time. Its pretty clear cut, I actually dont think FM plays that much, and the **** with Doug is getting kinda old... OK MINESHAFT, talk about Zenyatta HOLY **** who is the best horse Mineshaft beat? I liked him, he cant get within 10 lenghts of Point Given.

[randallscott35]

Andy said recently on a PA thread, actually its Hoss contest thread that he has made $ over time. Its pretty clear cut, I actually dont think FM plays that much, and the **** with Doug is getting kinda old... OK MINESHAFT

I brought up Doug b/c he actually understand ROI....I'm not able to comment on the any other aspect of your response. Sorry.

[the_fat_man]

Not commenting on who is better b/c I find pissing matches to be no fun. But there is no question that you don't make money in the long term fat man b/c you play far too many races. Sorry.

Who makes money, here or elsewhere, by playing multiple cards, concurrently (up to 6 tracks at a time), doing no advance handicapping, spending all of a minute or so on a race, watching no replays (for the most part), using NO figures, and playing 30+ races (or so) a day? NOBODY. Unless it's someone who has a black box program -- which I don't.

Now, since I've signficantly increased the number of daily plays I 'make' over the past 6 months, it follows that:

1) I have a reason for doing so
2) I'm not actually betting all these races (and am also not posting all the races I bet)
3) I have a gambling addiction

Whatever the case, I'm still waiting on 10 >$30 bombs for the past year plus from DaHoss.:rolleyes:

[randallscott35]

Just to clarify RH10....my point has to do with scope and plays. I know full well people who can make money. And if you ask them, they aren't playing every race on a card or even every day...Fats is an above average player in my book. This game is hard to beat. We aren't BJ takeout here.

[randallscott35]

Who makes money, here or elsewhere, by playing multiple cards, concurrently (up to 6 tracks at a time), doing no advance handicapping, spending all of a minute or so on a race, watching no replays (for the most part), using NO figures, and playing 30+ races (or so) a day? NOBODY. Unless it's someone who has a black box program -- which I don't.

Now, since I've signficantly increased the number of daily plays I 'make' over the past 6 months, it follows that:

1) I have a reason for doing so
2) I'm not actually betting all these races (and am also not posting all the races I bet)
3) I have a gambling addiction

Whatever the case, I'm still waiting on 10 >$30 bombs for the past year plus from DaHoss.:rolleyes:


Fats which is what I was getting at...God bless you if you are the chosen one who can play 6 tracks every day and make money yearly.

[Dahoss]

As for the one you defend, is it a coincidence all the issues the guy has with people? It used to be me on dt, I have witnessed many arguments with other people, now hes in a contest with some ******* on PA bashing him daily, same old ****.... Its not a pattern?

I have issues with people? Pattern?

You've got balls considering your history.

[randallscott35]

Now you give this board a BetFair like option in the United States? Easily 75% of the serious people on here are good enough to make money yearly on horses. But we don't have that option.

[Indian Charlie]

Whatever happened to TFM's cute little twitter page with his 4 followers. Now that was hilarious. Him whining about bad rides and track surfaces. I guess I would be pretty bent too if I gave out 120 consecutive losing picks.


What??

How dare you say TFF whines!!

Until you go back and find 10 posts of his where he whines, I don't want to hear back from you.

Oh, and you can only go back 11 of his posts to find those 10.

[johnny pinwheel]

You wouldn't understand. It wasn't the shot at him you think it was, at all.....Anyone playing that much will lose over the long term. Period. Doug can explain it to you when you sit on his lap.

the only accurate statment in this pissing contest. these people that bet every race and every track NEVER WIN they are compulsive gamblers NOT handicappers. yesterdays card stunk between the 2nd and 6th race...4 maidens and a claimer. if you lost alot of money before the 7th race...you are not much. of course reading whats on here people think they can hit any race. the test and the whitney were very, very hitable with logic and common sense if you can pick races at all. you guys can fight over those baby races with first time starters and lose all the money you want betting half a dozen different tracks,,,....lol

[hockey2315]

the only accurate statment in this pissing contest. these people that bet every race and every track NEVER WIN they are compulsive gamblers NOT handicappers. yesterdays card stunk between the 2nd and 6th race...4 maidens and a claimer. if you lost alot of money before the 7th race...you are not much. of course reading whats on here people think they can hit any race. the test and the whitney were very, very hitable with logic and common sense if you can pick races at all. you guys can fight over those baby races with first time starters and lose all the money you want betting half a dozen different tracks,,,....lol

This is really funny.

[RockHardTen1985]

the only accurate statment in this pissing contest. these people that bet every race and every track NEVER WIN they are compulsive gamblers NOT handicappers. yesterdays card stunk between the 2nd and 6th race...4 maidens and a claimer. if you lost alot of money before the 7th race...you are not much. of course reading whats on here people think they can hit any race. the test and the whitney were very, very hitable with logic and common sense if you can pick races at all. you guys can fight over those baby races with first time starters and lose all the money you want betting half a dozen different tracks,,,....lol

LOL

[Coach Pants]

What's that beeping noise?


Oh it's the Brinks truck backing into REDBOARD STATION.

[hockey2315]

What's that beeping noise?


Oh it's the Brinks truck backing into REDBOARD STATION.

For a 5-1 and a 3-1 no less.

[RockHardTen1985]

For a 5-1 and a 3-1 no less.



You diden't know? Blame was a huge OVERLAY AT 3-1, just go see for yourself in the dream thread.

[Coach Pants]

I just find it funny how people in the padlock are so smart yet when I look for their picks they are nowhere to be found.

And isn't it great to see someone who doesn't post their picks degrade others with a cheap jab directed at people brave enough to give their opinions before the race.

Obviously it was an easy bet for the chicken s.hits...but not one person in the play along thread put win money on Blame.

So who is the one bs'ing?

[CSC]

6 pages, I don't see what the big deal is? Quality Road ran the same type of race as he did in the Travers last year. No surprise. He's a good horse that is just not as good as many think he is. I don't know why we need a Warren Commision to see the obvious.

[randallscott35]

6 pages, I don't see what the big deal is? Quality Road ran the same type of race as he did in the Travers last year. No surprise. He's a good horse that is just not as good as many think he is. I don't know why we need a Warren Commision to see the obvious.

At Gulfstream he is an exceptional horse.

[CSC]

At Gulfstream he is an exceptional horse.

He is, but that is being a one trick pony. Hey I admit he is a talented horse at 1 turn and in the spring; however to me his hype never matches the odds he goes off at.

[the_fat_man]

For a 5-1 and a 3-1 no less.

Really?

Let's break this down a bit. Say you like Chapagne D'oro instead of the wiseguy horse you were gaga over. Say you also think Blame has a shot against QR. And, you also think Bonnie Blue Flag might get a piece. And, you have a NEGATIVE opinion of Pica Slew.

Then, you just might:

1) hit the $74.00 exacta in the Test (1 punch)
2) hit the $96.50 DD with Blame (for 2 punches)
3) hit the (one number) $18.20 exacta over QR

Of course, the only way to REALLY GET VALUE is Pick3's/4's/6's :rolleyes:

5-1 and 3-1 suddenly take on a new meaning.

[the_fat_man]

6 pages, I don't see what the big deal is? Quality Road ran the same type of race as he did in the Travers last year. No surprise. He's a good horse that is just not as good as many think he is. I don't know why we need a Warren Commision to see the obvious.

Buh buh buh

He's Fastttttttttttttttttttttt:rolleyes:

[stonegossard]

What??

How dare you say TFF whines!!

Until you go back and find 10 posts of his where he whines, I don't want to hear back from you.

Oh, and you can only go back 11 of his posts to find those 10.


He is the classic example of someone who is in way over their head and losing a ton at the track. Just go to to any track and point to the guy who is yelling at the tv......screaming at the jocks..trainers.......stewards.....that is TFM.

[Dahoss]

He is the classic example of someone who is in way over their head and losing a ton at the track. Just go to to any track and point to the guy who is yelling at the tv......screaming at the jocks..trainers.......stewards.....that is TFM.

Yeah but he's getting a lot better at redboarding.

[Smooth Operator]

QR's meltdown at the gate in last year's BC turned out to be a blessing in disguise for him.

Surely would've finished up-the-track in that contest