7/31 (SAR): Diana H. (G1), Jim Dandy S. (G2)

[Alan07]

1st (1:00) William B. Fasig S.

1 1/16 Miles (Inner Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $70,000

1 Chestoria Cohen D 123 L
2 Exclusive Scheme Velazquez J R 119 L
3 Akilina Maragh R 121 L
4 My Magic Moment Dominguez R A 119 L
5 Our Golden Dream Leparoux J R 119 L
6 You Go West Girl Lezcano J 121 L
7 Don't Forget Gil Castellano J J 121 L
8 Gold for the Queen Lezcano J 121 L
9 Big Brownie Hill C 119 L



9th (5:15) Diana S. (G1)

1 1/8 Miles (Mellon Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 Proviso (GB) Smith M E 123 L
2 My Princess Jess Velasquez C 118 L
3 Phola Dominguez R A 120 L
4 Forever Together Leparoux J R 120 L
5 Dynaslew Coa E M 118 L
6 Shared Account Prado E S 118 L
7 Maram Lezcano J 118 L



10th (5:48) Jim Dandy S. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 Steinbeck (IRE) Gomez G K 115 FTL
2 Afleet Express Castellano J J 119 L
3 Stormy's Majesty Prado E S 115 L
4 Aikenite Cohen D 115 L
5 A Little Warm Velazquez J R 115 L
6 Miner's Reserve Borel C H 115 L
7 Winslow Homer Dominguez R A 119 L
8 Friend Or Foe Maragh R 115 L
9 Fly Down Lezcano J 121 L

[RockHardTen1985]

I love the match up in the Diana, we really find out how good Proviso is in this spot.

[Betsy]

I love Fly Down; hate the post, but I don't think it will kill him.

Miner's Reserve is a talented colt in his own right; I would have preferred to see him run in the 3 year old stakes run the day after the Jim Dandy, especially if it turns out Zito is using him as a rabbit for Fly Down.

[RockHardTen1985]

I love Fly Down; hate the post, but I don't think it will kill him.

Miner's Reserve is a talented colt in his own right; I would have preferred to see him run in the 3 year old stakes run the day after the Jim Dandy, especially if it turns out Zito is using him as a rabbit for Fly Down.

I like Fly Down a lot and I think he will move late but not win this race, he would then be dangerous on the stretch out in the Travers likely at over 10-1. The biggest questions in this race for me are, Was Winslow Homer ever that good, and how good is Afleet Express? Winslow Homers last was brutal, but the horse who won that race might be at the top of this class. He should have at least ran second though. Afleet Express IMO might be that good, but he has to prove it in here. A few things I am pretty sure of Friend or Foe wont run well in here, and the 2 horses coming out of the Delware race the 5,6 are not that good, I want them to prove that last number is legit in here, I am not sold at all on either of them. I would actually be shocked if 5,6,8 even hit the board.

[ateamstupid]

Good luck with Steinbeck I guess.

[RockHardTen1985]

Good luck with Steinbeck I guess.

His grandfather was pretty good. Im actually looking at him now, what is he doing here? Gomez picks the mount up, he might be ok.

[hockey2315]

I'm not sure what to do with Steinbeck. You have to like the fact that he's a fresh face facing a weak crop, but his pedigree is just SO turfy.

Afleet Express might be too good for them, but I'm a little worried about the distance.

Does anyone else find it extremely annoying that the last race on this card - and most of the other cards so far - is a cheap claimer? I'd like to play this PK4, but have no desire to handicap this race. I know a lot of people don't like a race with firsters to be after the first leg of a major sequence, but I preferred Saturday's closing race strongly to these $25k's.

[NTamm1215]

I'm not sure what to do with Steinbeck. You have to like the fact that he's a fresh face facing a weak crop, but his pedigree is just SO turfy.

Afleet Express might be too good for them, but I'm a little worried about the distance.

Does anyone else find it extremely annoying that the last race on this card - and most of the other cards so far - is a cheap claimer? I'd like to play this PK4, but have no desire to handicap this race. I know a lot of people don't like a race with firsters to be after the first leg of a major sequence, but I preferred Saturday's closing race strongly to these $25k's.

Don't worry, Gales has your back and says Eddie K's horse can't lose the nightcap.

NT

[ateamstupid]

Does anyone else find it extremely annoying that the last race on this card - and most of the other cards so far - is a cheap claimer? I'd like to play this PK4, but have no desire to handicap this race. I know a lot of people don't like a race with firsters to be after the first leg of a major sequence, but I preferred Saturday's closing race strongly to these $25k's.

I don't really understand the complaint. These are solid, consistent turf horses who run 75-85 Beyers. It's far from a piss poor field. I'd sure as hell prefer this to the standard $25,000-$22,500 maiden claimer that closes out SoCal cards. It's a two-horse race on paper, anyway.

[SniperSB23]

Can anyone find a horse other than Discovery in the Whitney to win a major stakes race at Saratoga three years in a row? Forever Together has the chance in the Diana.

[SniperSB23]

Anyone know the logic behind putting a stakes that drew a solid 9 horses as the 1st race instead of in the late P4? With the three races here in the P4 it would be a must play for me, as it is I will probably skip it.

[parsixfarms]

Anyone know the logic behind putting a stakes that drew a solid 9 horses as the 1st race instead of in the late P4? With the three races here in the P4 it would be a must play for me, as it is I will probably skip it.

There are two MTOs, so it's only a field of seven to start, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a scratch from one of the Badgetts or a horse like Don't Forget Gil if the race stays on turf.

That being said, I'm surprised that the 7th race, a pretty good NW1X isn't in the pic-4 instead of the NY-bred turf maidens.

[SniperSB23]

There are two MTOs, so it's only a field of seven to start, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a scratch from one of the Badgetts or a horse like Don't Forget Gil if the race stays on turf.

That being said, I'm surprised that the 7th race, a pretty good NW1X isn't in the pic-4 instead of the NY-bred turf maidens.

Thanks, that makes more sense although personally I'd still play a 7 horse stakes race over maidens or claimers in a P4. Not sure the point in the MTOs, aside from scattered T'storms tonight it is looking like no rain until Tuesday or Wednesday.

[lemoncrush]

Wasn't Wasted Tears originally pointing for the Diana?
I've been a little out of the loop lately, but figured she would go in this one.

[analyizethis]

I love Fly Down; hate the post, but I don't think it will kill him.

Miner's Reserve is a talented colt in his own right; I would have preferred to see him run in the 3 year old stakes run the day after the Jim Dandy, especially if it turns out Zito is using him as a rabbit for Fly Down.

Nick was originially quoted as saying that Miner's Reserve was pointing for the Curlin, now he shows up here. When he went in the FLA Derby it was at the insistence of his then jockey KD and Bob LaPenta. Nick felt he wasn't ready and wheeling back off a big effort with short rest he was right.

Is there any sense that there is a similar situation here, where Bob has insisted that MR go in this spot (he was pretty soundly beaten by A Little Warm in his last)? Of course, Fly Down is Richard Pell's horse.

[Betsy]

Nick was originially quoted as saying that Miner's Reserve was pointing for the Curlin, now he shows up here. When he went in the FLA Derby it was at the insistence of his then jockey KD and Bob LaPenta. Nick felt he wasn't ready and wheeling back off a big effort with short rest he was right.

Is there any sense that there is a similar situation here, where Bob has insisted that MR go in this spot (he was pretty soundly beaten by A Little Warm in his last)? Of course, Fly Down is Richard Pell's horse.

MR has since been entered in the Curlin stakes - that's where I hope he goes. I like him a lot, but he's not a graded horse at this point - and I'd love to see him get a stakes win.

[ateamstupid]

MR has since been entered in the Curlin stakes - that's where I hope he goes. I like him a lot, but he's not a graded horse at this point - and I'd love to see him get a stakes win.

Are you sure you don't own Zenyatta?

[Betsy]

Are you sure you don't own Zenyatta?

I'm pretty sure I'm not related to the Moss's...........

Are you implying Miner's Reserve has a serious shot in this race? If not, then please explain why he's not better off in the Curlin? I personally don't want him in the race for 2 reasons: 1) I hate to root against one of my favorite horses and that's what would happen here. I'm very confident in Fly Down. 2) I don't think he belongs with these horses yet; what has he shown that makes you think he does? I love the horse, so it's not that I don't think he's not talented.

[tiggerv]

I'm pretty sure that Winslow Homer and MR were only entered in the Jim Dandy in case the Curlin didn't fill. I bet they both scratch out of the Jim Dandy.

[Danzig]

who in there, besides fly down, is a real worry? second money if he manages that is 100k. that's better than a win in the curlin, isn't it? only way to know is to try.

actually, third here pays better then a win there. guess we'll see saturday.

[Danzig]

I'm pretty sure that Winslow Homer and MR were only entered in the Jim Dandy in case the Curlin didn't fill. I bet they both scratch out of the Jim Dandy.
i know they said that about winslow, but i didn't see that said about miner's reserve.

[Betsy]

who in there, besides fly down, is a real worry? second money if he manages that is 100k. that's better than a win in the curlin, isn't it? only way to know is to try.

actually, third here pays better then a win there. guess we'll see saturday.

Wouldn't you want to have a stakes win on your resume? Not that the Curlin would be easy, but obviously it would be easier.

I respect everyone in the field - I guess Afleet Express is the hot horse and will probably be the favorite.

[ateamstupid]

I'm pretty sure I'm not related to the Moss's...........

Are you implying Miner's Reserve has a serious shot in this race? If not, then please explain why he's not better off in the Curlin? I personally don't want him in the race for 2 reasons: 1) I hate to root against one of my favorite horses and that's what would happen here. I'm very confident in Fly Down. 2) I don't think he belongs with these horses yet; what has he shown that makes you think he does? I love the horse, so it's not that I don't think he's not talented.

I get it, it's just that I've never seen you not complain about a spot being too ambitious for a horse you like. There are no monsters in the Dandy. Fly Down? What's he done? Win the Peter Pan and run second in one of the worst Belmonts in history? A Little Warm is probably the best horse in the race and he has distance questions.

[Betsy]

I get it, it's just that I've never seen you not complain about a spot being too ambitious for a horse you like. There are no monsters in the Dandy. Fly Down? What's he done? Win the Peter Pan and run second in one of the worst Belmonts in history? A Little Warm is probably the best horse in the race and he has distance questions.

I posted here initially because I didn't like the idea of him being a rabbit for Fly Down, not because I thought he was overmatched.

In any case, I think Fly Down is the best horse and I am very confident in him; I've said from the beginning of the year that this was a a very good horse - the fact that the Belmont was a slow race does not change my mind about him one bit. I think you mean the Dwyer, not the Peter Pan.

[johnny pinwheel]

I like Fly Down a lot and I think he will move late but not win this race, he would then be dangerous on the stretch out in the Travers likely at over 10-1. The biggest questions in this race for me are, Was Winslow Homer ever that good, and how good is Afleet Express? Winslow Homers last was brutal, but the horse who won that race might be at the top of this class. He should have at least ran second though. Afleet Express IMO might be that good, but he has to prove it in here. A few things I am pretty sure of Friend or Foe wont run well in here, and the 2 horses coming out of the Delware race the 5,6 are not that good, I want them to prove that last number is legit in here, I am not sold at all on either of them. I would actually be shocked if 5,6,8 even hit the board.

i like fly down here too. somehow the program has him at 3-1...i can only hope....lol. i would not sell winslow short, if he goes. the trainer usually does not show up without a shot and i kind of discount losses at those kind of tracks. winlows races have all been bang up besides the last one and hes run good here before. besides that i'm kind of suspect of all these others until they can beat fly down. a little warm looks like a horse that might stop today....the ones out of the pegasus might be nothing...friend or foe has to prove himself here, aikenite was no match for winslow last time they met and the foriegn horse is an unknown. i'm going to try a 9/7 exacta . fly down/ winslow homer.

[Danzig]

Wouldn't you want to have a stakes win on your resume? Not that the Curlin would be easy, but obviously it would be easier.

I respect everyone in the field - I guess Afleet Express is the hot horse and will probably be the favorite.

he has a legit shot in the dandy, there are no singles in here. no guts, no glory. black type looks good, a 75k stakes...not so much. plenty of time for him to get a 75k win under his belt. this race isn't looking to be a tough one. if he's doing well, i see no reason not to try.

[Betsy]

he has a legit shot in the dandy, there are no singles in here. no guts, no glory. black type looks good, a 75k stakes...not so much. plenty of time for him to get a 75k win under his belt. this race isn't looking to be a tough one. if he's doing well, i see no reason not to try.

Good point.........I readily admit I'm conservative when it comes to my favorite horses. I do think he'll be scratched, though...

[Betsy]

And, I was wrong.........only Winslow Homer was scratched.

[Danzig]

Good point.........I readily admit I'm conservative when it comes to my favorite horses. I do think he'll be scratched, though...


it's obvious. one thing you forget, most of these horses nowadays are lightly raced, so it really isn't an angle anymore. most horses don't go thru their conditions these days. if they show ability, they go into stakes races, make a name (hopefully) and go where the money is truly made, the shed.

[Betsy]

it's obvious. one thing you forget, most of these horses nowadays are lightly raced, so it really isn't an angle anymore. most horses don't go thru their conditions these days. if they show ability, they go into stakes races, make a name (hopefully) and go where the money is truly made, the shed.


Also, I hate having 2 favorites in the race because unless they dead heat for the win, one is going to lose............but I would be very happy if Fly Down won and MR ran well. That's my preferred order, but I would take the reverse any day.

You're right about being shifted off to the shed the moment they show some of their potential on the track - and I think that's a shame, particularly with good horses whose pedigrees indicate improvement as they get older.

[Travis Stone]

Forever Together wins that race if she gets going a bit sooner... she didn't get on track until deep stretch then she rolled.

[Hoist Her Flag]

I'm not so sure Travis I. Thought shared act had a worse trip and stll beat her for 2nd she has now lost 6 in a row

[Travis Stone]

I'm not so sure Travis I. Thought shared act had a worse trip and stll beat her for 2nd she has now lost 6 in a row

I have to watch the replay as I didn't really follow Shared Act.

Mid-stretch though Informed Decision looked as though she was on her wrong lead, her head was cocked and she wasn't in stride... then she got clear and started kicking in. I thought she ran big... sure, she might have lost a step, but I thought if she could have found that stride a 16th sooner, she wins.

[Betsy]

Well, I guess I'm glad that MR ran because he ran very well........he would have won the Curlin easily, I think.

[ateamstupid]

Well, I guess I'm glad that MR ran because he ran very well........he would have won the Curlin easily, I think.

Have a little faith in your horses. ;)

[Dahoss]

I like Fly Down a lot and I think he will move late but not win this race, he would then be dangerous on the stretch out in the Travers likely at over 10-1. The biggest questions in this race for me are, Was Winslow Homer ever that good, and how good is Afleet Express? Winslow Homers last was brutal, but the horse who won that race might be at the top of this class. He should have at least ran second though. Afleet Express IMO might be that good, but he has to prove it in here. A few things I am pretty sure of Friend or Foe wont run well in here, and the 2 horses coming out of the Delware race the 5,6 are not that good, I want them to prove that last number is legit in here, I am not sold at all on either of them. I would actually be shocked if 5,6,8 even hit the board.

:tro::tro:

Thanks for the exacta

[Betsy]

Have a little faith in your horses. ;)


I did - in Fly Down, lol. I've loved MR since he broke his maiden, but I sincerely thought he was overmatched at this point. I was wrong - and am glad. He's fast and game - can't complain about him one bit. The Travers is going to be tough because I'm sure another horse will press him, but he's earned a spot in that race.

[Travis Stone]

With every passing race this division gets more wamperjawed.

[miraja2]

:tro::tro:

Thanks for the exacta

His consistency is mind-blowing.

[freddymo]

:tro::tro:

Thanks for the exacta

96 luft balloons

[declansharbor]

:tro::tro:

Thanks for the exacta

I laughed.

[RockHardTen1985]

:tro::tro:

Thanks for the exacta



Even your hero picked Fly Down, I dont think IM the only one who tossed a POS Del Park race, in favor of a Belmont runner up and Afleet Express.

[Dahoss]

Even your hero picked Fly Down, I dont think IM the only one who tossed a POS Del Park race, in favor of a Belmont runner up and Afleet Express.

Come on, you don't find it at all funny that the three horses you thought couldn't hit the board ran 1-2-4?

[RockHardTen1985]

Come on, you don't find it at all funny that the three horses you thought couldn't hit the board ran 1-2-4?

Thats fine, I hit the early pick 4.... Gave it to someone else who hit it, and told 3 people Phola sucked and could not win. LOVED PROVISO. Im confident in my opinion, I LOVE MY OPINION.

[Dahoss]

Thats fine, I hit the early pick 4.... Gave it to someone else who hit it, and told 3 people Phola sucked and could not win. LOVED PROVISO. Im confident in my opinion, I LOVE MY OPINION.

That's fine, I banged 4 models today. Then, tonight I was bored so I banged another 4. Been quite a day.

[Sightseek]

That's fine, I banged 4 models today. Then, tonight I was bored so I banged another 4. Been quite a day.

:D

[NTamm1215]

That's fine, I banged 4 models today. Then, tonight I was bored so I banged another 4. Been quite a day.

He hit the early Pick 4, he gave me his ticket. He was wrong about the Jim Dandy, I was wrong about the Diana. In fact, I was wrong about quite a bit more than the Diana today.

NT

[Dahoss]

He hit the early Pick 4, he gave me his ticket. He was wrong about the Jim Dandy, I was wrong about the Diana. In fact, I was wrong about quite a bit more than the Diana today.

NT

WHo cares what he hit? I certainly don't. I'm sure I'm not alone. It was funny that he nearly gave out the triple of horses he didn't like. Nothing more, nothing less.

I've been wrong more often than not so far this meet.

[RockHardTen1985]

WHo cares what he hit? I certainly don't. I'm sure I'm not alone. It was funny that he nearly gave out the triple of horses he didn't like. Nothing more, nothing less.

I've been wrong more often than not so far this meet.

For what its worth, Im still not sold on the top 2. I learned one thing today, just 1.... I overated AE. He would be a legit Kings Bishop horse if they cut back. He did not run like a 9f horse today.

[slotdirt]

I thought Afleet Express ran fine.

[hockey2315]

Afleet Express turned in a weird performance. He's a tough one to read. It looked like he was under a ride on the far turn and then he came back to close quick at the end. I think he's still figuring it out. . .

[Danzig]

For what its worth, Im still not sold on the top 2. I learned one thing today, just 1.... I overated AE. He would be a legit Kings Bishop horse if they cut back. He did not run like a 9f horse today.

who are you tossing in the haskell tomorrow?

as for afleet express, don't know what to make of his race today.

[Indian Charlie]

:tro::tro:

Thanks for the exacta

He is money.

Those were first, second and fourth, with another horse that he said had to prove it, running third.

He is legend. Super paid $2006.

[Getaway]

Afleet Express is a weird one.....I don't think I'm going out on a limb in saying he's a talented colt, but i just get the feeling that we have yet to see his best. take nothing away from a little warm, he ran a nice race. AE has shown talent, we know he's decent, just hasn't shown up at the big time. He didn't beat much last time, but i feel that he may be a late season surprise, still yet. all expected him to show up today, but i think he still can

[slotdirt]

I don't know, it's not like anybody else was closing like a freight train in that particular race. i thought Afleet Express did well to get third all things considered.

[Danzig]

Afleet Express is a weird one.....I don't think I'm going out on a limb in saying he's a talented colt, but i just get the feeling that we have yet to see his best. take nothing away from miners reserve, he ran a nice race. AE has shown talent, we know he's decent, just hasn't shown up at the big time. He didn't beat much last time, but i feel that he may be a late season surprise, still yet. all expected him to show up today, but i think he still can

or maybe there's no reason to give afleet again a look today.