7/17 (AP): Million Preview Day

[Alan07]

7th (3:22) Modesty H. (G3)

1 3/16 Miles (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Single Solution Baze M C 114
2 Tuscan Evening (IRE) Bejarano R 124
3 Hot Cha Cha Graham J 121
4 Askbut I Won'ttell Perez E E 114
5 Eclair de Lune (GER) Alvarado J 113
6 Rainbow View Leparoux J R 122

8th (3:53) American Derby (G2)

1 3/16 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Formulaforsuccess Alvarado J 119
2 Asphalt Leparoux J R 119
3 Marcello Nakatani C S 119
4 Mint Chip Graham J 119
5 Dream Nettie Castanon J L 121
6 Dean's Kitten Bejarano R 126
7 Workin for Hops Albarado R J 121
8 Gleam of Hope Baird E T 121
9 Mister Marti Gras Perez E E 126

9th (4:24) Arlington H. (G3)

1 1/4 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Imponente Purse (BRZ) Graham J 113
2 Just as Well Leparoux J R 119
3 Rahystrada Karlsson I 119
4 Cross Village Baird E T 112
5 Giant Oak Alvarado J 116
6 Rumor Has It Geroux F 110
7 Marsh Side Albarado R J 122
8 Free Fighter Torres F C 116
9 General Quarters Bejarano R 122
10 Princeville Condo Castanon J L 114
11 Tajaaweed Baze M C 114

[brianwspencer]

7th (3:22) Modesty H. (G3)

1 3/16 Miles (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000

4 Askbut I Won'ttell Perez E E 114
6 Rainbow View Leparoux J R 122

8th (3:53) American Derby (G2)

1 3/16 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $200,000

7 Workin for Hops Albarado R J 121

9th (4:24) Arlington H. (G3)

1 1/4 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000


3 Rahystrada Karlsson I 119
11 Tajaaweed Baze M C 114

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[RockHardTen1985]

I love Rainbow View.

[letswastemoney]

Tuscan Evening has gotten slow fractions in each of her wins this year. I'd be tempted to play Rainbow View here if I knew there was some speed to go with Tuscan Evening. I have not looked at the PPs yet though, so I'm not familiar with those other names

[ateamstupid]

Tuscan Evening has gotten slow fractions in each of her wins this year. I'd be tempted to play Rainbow View here if I knew there was some speed to go with Tuscan Evening. I have not looked at the PPs yet though, so I'm not familiar with those other names

Hot Cha Cha is a Grade I winner.

[VOL JACK]

The G3 Arlington Handicap came up way better than most G1 turf races I have seen this year.

[Scav]

Rainbow View

with

Mint Chip, Dean's Kitten, Mister Mardi Gras

with

Just as Well, Rahystrada, Marsh Side, General Quarters, Tajaaweed

[miraja2]

I think the Catalano runner in the 10th race is an very solid single.
I'd like to play the late pick-4 but wow, the Arlington Handicap (9th) looks extremely tough to narrow down.

[brianwspencer]

I think the Catalano runner in the 10th race is an very solid single.
I'd like to play the late pick-4 but wow, the Arlington Handicap (9th) looks extremely tough to narrow down.

Mam Bird should be running a stakes race right now, if you ask me. Strike while the iron is hot, and that horse is absolutely ridiculous....but he's also got Super Robusto who has looked just as sick winning two starts on the Poly from the same ownership team, so he's just managing to keep them apart right now.

[jwkniska]

I think the Catalano runner in the 10th race is an very solid single.
I'd like to play the late pick-4 but wow, the Arlington Handicap (9th) looks extremely tough to narrow down.

I'm thinking the same thing. If I can sort out the other races after I go get a DRF in a few minutes, the AH may be an 'all' or almost all button for me in it.

[NTamm1215]

Though he may have distance limitations, I still like Asphalt in the Am Derby. I thought he ran a very nice at CD.

The guy on Against the Odds on HRTV also liked Mint Chip. The price is going to be terrific but I can't seem to determine why he did no running in either of those two turf races at CD.

NT

[the_fat_man]

As much as I'm a fan of hers, I can't believe Tuscan Evening is getting 9.5F on a real/fair turf course. Especially if there's some give to it.

Don't any of the other Southern CALI trainers have a turf sprinter they're looking to stretch out (1st time)? This would be a perfect spot.:rolleyes:

[RockHardTen1985]

Rainbow View

with

Mint Chip, Dean's Kitten, Mister Mardi Gras

with

Just as Well, Rahystrada, Marsh Side, General Quarters, Tajaaweed


Now way I would leave Asphalt off. Im playing it just like you with the single in the first leg, I will also lean on the top 2 in the last... Im inclinded to let Marsh Side and General POS beat me.

[miraja2]

Now way I would leave Asphalt off. Im playing it just like you with the single in the first leg, I will also lean on the top 2 in the last... Im inclinded to let Marsh Side and General POS beat me.

I know you almost have to find a single somewhere, and I wish you and Tom the best of luck, but singling against Hot Cha Cha here seems very risky to me. I think she has a HUGE chance.

[RockHardTen1985]

I know you almost have to find a single somewhere, and I wish you and Tom the best of luck, but singling against Hot Cha Cha here seems very risky to me. I think she has a HUGE chance.

She likely does and its a huge risk w/ Rainbow View off her last, Im hoping maybe to get 5-2, because I think she is simply the best horse if shes ok and runs to some of her back races.

[brianwspencer]

She likely does and its a huge risk w/ Rainbow View off her last, Im hoping maybe to get 5-2, because I think she is simply the best horse if shes ok and runs to some of her back races.

You're crazy if you think you're getting 5-2 unless Hot Cha Cha all of the sudden gets tons of respect for the first time in her whole life. But I already told you that on Facebook, and in your defense, you posted this before I called you crazy over there.

[RockHardTen1985]

:tro:You're crazy if you think you're getting 5-2 unless Hot Cha Cha all of the sudden gets tons of respect for the first time in her whole life. But I already told you that on Facebook, and in your defense, you posted this before I called you crazy over there.

After we talked lol... It was like 2 minutes after HAHAHA.
Going to see Inception, ENJOY THE CHAT.

[the_fat_man]

She likely does and its a huge risk w/ Rainbow View off her last, Im hoping maybe to get 5-2, because I think she is simply the best horse if shes ok and runs to some of her back races.

Really? Which of her races make her such a stickout?

[NTamm1215]

Really? Which of her races make her such a stickout?

None, if you ask me, I think her Pimlico win was a complete mirage when Gomez hopelessly sent that Clement horse clear on the turn with the race poised to collapse. She then ran a terrible race at Woodbine and I question who she beat at Keeneland. Not a horse I want at 2-1 or less.

NT

[RockHardTen1985]

None, if you ask me, I think her Pimlico win was a complete mirage when Gomez hopelessly sent that Clement horse clear on the turn with the race poised to collapse. She then ran a terrible race at Woodbine and I question who she beat at Keeneland. Not a horse I want at 2-1 or less.

NT


Are you turning into FatMan? You knock the most likely winner, but dont give a pick or opinion. Who do you like? I give my opinion and if its wrong, its wrong, but its out there. IMO its a lot easier to say 1 horse is going to lose, then to tout the winner. What your doing here, what FatMan does all the time and what CJ did last weekend with Rail Trip.

[the_fat_man]

Are you turning into FatMan? You knock the most likely winner, but dont give a pick or opinion. Who do you like? I give my opinion and if its wrong, its wrong, but its out there. IMO its a lot easier to say 1 horse is going to lose, then to tout the winner. What your doing here, what FatMan does all the time and what CJ did last weekend with Rail Trip.

So, when I talked your silly ass off of ANDINA last week, I was also supposed to discuss who I thought the winner of the race was? It wasn't enough trying to get you to understand why she was a PLUG? ha ha ha (And I was also nice enough to throw you a 3:1 winner.)

You're also on record with an opinion in the Oliver at IND. You liked the Pletcher plug that got put up to 2nd as a result of a DQ. The DQd horse cut off another horse that would've certainly finished ahead of your horse. So you got real ****in' lucky. Your response: "UGHHHHH, CLOSE THOUGH"
Oh, btw, I ventured an 'opinion' in that race: the $41 winner. :rolleyes:

And you expect comprehensive discussion of races from me?

ha ha ha



UGHHHHH, CLOSE THOUGH

I'm still laughing.

[RockHardTen1985]

So, when I talked your silly ass off of ANDINA last week, I was also supposed to discuss who I thought the winner of the race was? It wasn't enough trying to get you to understand why she was a PLUG? ha ha ha (And I was also nice enough to throw you a 3:1 winner.)

You're also on record with an opinion in the Oliver at IND. You liked the Pletcher plug that got put up to 2nd as a result of a DQ. The DQd horse cut off another horse that would've certainly finished ahead of your horse. So you got real ****in' lucky. Your response: "UGHHHHH, CLOSE THOUGH"
Oh, btw, I ventured an 'opinion' in that race: the $41 winner. :rolleyes:

And you expect comprehensive discussion of races from me?

ha ha ha



UGHHHHH, CLOSE THOUGH

I'm still laughing.

You know I respect your opinion, glad you got all this off your chest though.

[the_fat_man]

You know I respect your opinion, glad you got all this off your chest though.

Then I'm glad, as well.

[Indian Charlie]

Wow, pg has gone from being a serling lover, to a drugS lover, now he's a fat man lover.

What's next? Coach?

[Indian Charlie]

I think he's going to throw a curveball next and go after either Danzig or Sighty.

[Sightseek]

I think he's going to throw a curveball next and go after either Danzig or Sighty.

Shut up.

[Indian Charlie]

Shut up.

What?

All this talk of Scav, well, it makes me think maybe PG will stop preying on guys here!

[golfer]

Though he may have distance limitations, I still like Asphalt in the Am Derby. I thought he ran a very nice at CD.

The guy on Against the Odds on HRTV also liked Mint Chip. The price is going to be terrific but I can't seem to determine why he did no running in either of those two turf races at CD.

NT

I had the misfortune of betting him in both of those races. I don't know what exactly what happened the 2nd time, but in his 1st run, Borel tried to save a little ground on the final turn and ended up blasting the horse on his outside, then drifted in badly early stretch, and after that was not perserved with.
He won his return race at Kee, then had no chance last time at Woodbine due to race dynamics. He's going to need to move forward to compete here, but there is no obvious reason why he shouldn't. He seems to be a tough horse to steer, but Graham knows him well.

[brockguy]

In my mind, Rainbow View is very much like Fantasia in that she has plenty of talent but just doesnt always show it on the racecourse. I'd hate to rely on her as a single..

[Scav]

In my mind, Rainbow View is very much like Fantasia in that she has plenty of talent but just doesnt always show it on the racecourse. I'd hate to rely on her as a single..

There is only two horses that can win that race, Tuscan Evening or Rainbow View....Because Tuscan Evening is finally gonna see pace on a non favoring front end surface, Rainbow View is gonna get a perfect trip. She isn't a 8f or 8.5 filly, needs distance and gets it today.

I think McAnally's horse is gonna run a big race also.

[CSC]

There is only two horses that can win that race, Tuscan Evening or Rainbow View....Because Tuscan Evening is finally gonna see pace on a non favoring front end surface, Rainbow View is gonna get a perfect trip. She isn't a 8f or 8.5 filly, needs distance and gets it today.

I think McAnally's horse is gonna run a big race also.

Scavs, I'll take a shot with Hot Cha Cha, she may be the only one with any value in here and she really can't be taken too lightly. TE and RV will be pounded into submission IMO.

[Scav]

Scavs, I'll take a shot with Hot Cha Cha, she may be the only one with any value in here and she really can't be taken too lightly. TE and RV will be pounded into submission IMO.

Don't like her at all. Think she is much better with give in the ground and it is as firm as firm gets right now here in Chicago. Also think she has caught some questionable fields in the past.

We'll see

[Hoist Her Flag]

Free fighter and giant oak for me in the handicap box 358-10

[the_fat_man]

WO R8:

#4, Sharp Secretary, win @ >= 5:1

ebox: 4 / 11

[smuthg]

Tuscan evening is pretty damn impressive...

[Scav]

Tuscan evening is pretty damn impressive...

No doubt she is a very good horse but these f'n jocks are just retarded. Let a Grade 1 filly barely get out of gallop the first 8 furlongs.

Let me also say that I am pretty happy that she won today because I won't play her next time if he ships her back to California and trains her there. If she stays here she will be pretty tough in the Bev D

[Scav]

Albarado doesn't show up for a 200k stakes or the 150k stakes and the public is betting this horse. God help them.

[the_fat_man]

Hard to believe Mint Chip is 11:1 and the 7 is 7:5.

[CSC]

Don't like her at all. Think she is much better with give in the ground and it is as firm as firm gets right now here in Chicago. Also think she has caught some questionable fields in the past.

We'll see

Tuscan Evening was too tough today, no excuses for Hot Cha Cha, thought 7/2 was fair but when you leave a quality animal alone on the front like that, you may as well gift wrap and hand it to her before the gates open.

[Scav]

Hard to believe Mint Chip is 11:1 and the 7 is 7:5.

You know, I kinda hope the 7 gallops today, I have minor minor investments today where Million Day, if he wins, he will be favored in the Secretariat, and he has NO CHANCE of getting 10 furlongs. We'll see

[NTamm1215]

God forbid there's even one iota of pace in the Beverly D and the Secretariat because Tuscan Evening and Workin for Hops couldn't have had it any easier today.

NT

[the_fat_man]

Not hard to believe at all.:rolleyes:

7 gallops, nothing else picks up its feet.

The 4 has TERRIBLE turf action.

[the_fat_man]

God forbid there's even one iota of pace in the Beverly D and the Secretariat because Tuscan Evening and Workin for Hops couldn't have had it any easier today.

NT

Hard to believe isn't it? All these guys entering these horses in these big money races have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the barn that they could enter in the way of ensuring an honest pace.

[Scav]

God forbid there's even one iota of pace in the Beverly D and the Secretariat because Tuscan Evening and Workin for Hops couldn't have had it any easier today.

NT

I'm licking my chops for Million Day right now. Both horses are gonna be heavy favorites most likely, Paddy would be favored here but the other horse would take money.

[CSC]

I almost always look to the Euro's on A Million day anyway so these performances no matter how impressive or NOT mean little to me.

[ateamstupid]

No doubt she is a very good horse but these f'n jocks are just retarded. Let a Grade 1 filly barely get out of gallop the first 8 furlongs.

Let me also say that I am pretty happy that she won today because I won't play her next time if he ships her back to California and trains her there. If she stays here she will be pretty tough in the Bev D

Who the hell was going to go with her on paper? The race played out like it figured to. You said yourself the course was "as firm as firm gets" and you let yourself get beat by a lone speed frontrunner in a six-horse field? They're definitely going to the Beverly D BTW.

[Scav]

Who the hell was going to go with her on paper? The race played out like it figured to. You said yourself the course was "as firm as firm gets" and you let yourself get beat by a lone speed frontrunner in a six-horse field? They're definitely going to the Beverly D BTW.

I know they are definetly going, and I didn't get beat by her (notice post above that said (only two horses that can win are her and Rainbow View). I got beat by Workin for Hops. I said that I would be betting against her if they took her back to California and then shipped back here. I don't like when horses ship back and forth via plane. If they would keep her here, she would probably be lock city depending on who comes over from Europe.

[ateamstupid]

I know they are definetly going, and I didn't get beat by her (notice post above that said (only two horses that can win are her and Rainbow View). I got beat by Workin for Hops. I said that I would be betting against her if they took her back to California and then shipped back here. I don't like when horses ship back and forth via plane. If they would keep her here, she would probably be lock city depending on who comes over from Europe.

I know, but you called the jocks morons as if they were taking back speed horses and letting Tuscan Evening go unexpectedly, when she was lone speed from the entry box. Start betting NYRA turf races with regularity and you'll see some real pace ignorant morons.

[Scav]

I know, but you called the jocks morons as if they were taking back speed horses and letting Tuscan Evening go unexpectedly, when she was lone speed from the entry box. Start betting NYRA turf races with regularity and you'll see some real pace ignorant morons.

:D

[brianwspencer]

I'm licking my chops for Million Day right now. Both horses are gonna be heavy favorites most likely, Paddy would be favored here but the other horse would take money.

Barring some Euro import, what sophomore is going to show up and beat either of them? Paddy is a monster on the lawn right now and Workin For Hops loves this course and will figure to find another tactically perfect pressing spot in the Secretariat.

It's only awesome to have two horses "take money" if there's actually someone in the race that can beat them. Or are we banking on Mint Chip to turn things around in the next six weeks?

I don't follow.

[Scav]

Barring some Euro import, what sophomore is going to show up and beat either of them? Paddy is a monster on the lawn right now and Workin For Hops loves this course and will figure to find another tactically perfect pressing spot in the Secretariat.

It's only awesome to have two horses "take money" if there's actually someone in the race that can beat them. Or are we banking on Mint Chip to turn things around in the next six weeks?

I don't follow.

What I am implying is that Paddy will be 7/5 and Working for Hops will be 2/1 in a race that will have 8-9 horses. Now, Working for Hops has zero shot at finishing ahead of Paddy and would gladly give you 3/2 odds heads up on that happening.

Workin for Hops does not love this course, he loves the absolute two perfect trips he has gotten over it. Do you really believe Albarado had plane trouble today, it is a 5 hour drive up here, he could have been up here by Noon if he REALLY wanted to. He handicapped the race wrong, like I did.

Obviously the card isn't drawn and have 5 weeks to yap, but the only thing Paddy O Prado has to worry about is some Euro coming over, and because Hops is in the race and will take money away from Paddy, I am super excited to get about above even money on a horse that I will probably have 2/5 to win.

And allow me to throw a conspiracy angle out there that Romans also shows up with that Aptitude colt that the name escapes me becuase the horse is done and his brother owns I think. He will certainity keep the pace honest in that race if he does.

[brianwspencer]

He handicapped the race wrong, like I did.

Well this sums it up. You just keep on keepin' on, Tom. You seem to be really on to something here. You think Albarado is stupid enough to think that even though the race set up PERFECTLY for him, it made sense to bail on a paycheck?

You're on fire. 'Cisco Giles could've ridden him to a win today -- good thing Robby 'capped' it right and bailed, sure he's happy he "faked" plane trouble.

Good 'cred, dude.

[Bigsmc]

What I am implying is that Paddy will be 7/5 and Working for Hops will be 2/1 in a race that will have 8-9 horses. Now, Working for Hops has zero shot at finishing ahead of Paddy and would gladly give you 3/2 odds heads up on that happening.

Workin for Hops does not love this course, he loves the absolute two perfect trips he has gotten over it. Do you really believe Albarado had plane trouble today, it is a 5 hour drive up here, he could have been up here by Noon if he REALLY wanted to. He handicapped the race wrong, like I did.

Obviously the card isn't drawn and have 5 weeks to yap, but the only thing Paddy O Prado has to worry about is some Euro coming over, and because Hops is in the race and will take money away from Paddy, I am super excited to get about above even money on a horse that I will probably have 2/5 to win.

And allow me to throw a conspiracy angle out there that Romans also shows up with that Aptitude colt that the name escapes me becuase the horse is done and his brother owns I think. He will certainity keep the pace honest in that race if he does.

Lost Aptitude?

[Bigsmc]

Well this sums it up. You just keep on keepin' on, Tom. You seem to be really on to something here. You think Albarado is stupid enough to think that even though the race set up PERFECTLY for him, it made sense to bail on a paycheck?

You're on fire. 'Cisco Giles could've ridden him to a win today -- good thing Robby 'capped' it right and bailed, sure he's happy he "faked" plane trouble.

Good 'cred, dude.


I don't want to speak for him, but I'm pretty sure Tom doesn't care about "'cred". I'm also going to go out on a limb and say he didn't know Robby had plane trouble (I didn't either) when he made the post you are revelling in trashing.

Personally, I'd like to see more handicapping opinions around here, right or wrong (and Tom's was quite wrong in this instance). It's too bad that we are seeing less and less, but the atmosphere has become so combative and condescending, it is driving the opinions away. It's unfortunate, but it seems to be the way of the internet (not just DT) these days.

[brianwspencer]

I don't want to speak for him, but I'm pretty sure Tom doesn't care about "'cred".

You can say that again. Obviously.


Personally, I'd like to see more handicapping opinions around here, right or wrong (and Tom's was quite wrong in this instance). It's too bad that we are seeing less and less, but the atmosphere has become so combative and condescending, it is driving the opinions away. It's unfortunate, but it seems to be the way of the internet (not just DT) these days.

I'm sorry that I didn't take the high road you so crave, Bigs, because I have always appreciated you and the way you approach things, but perhaps if more people could offer "handicapping opinions" without being ridiculous blowhards, then handicapping would flow more freely and create less combative responses. It's a chicken/egg argument, and in this case, there's no going wrong for me. If Albarado had legit trouble getting to AP, then I'm in the clear. If he didn't, then he's a pisspoor handicapper, and he's clearly not alone. And Tom very clearly is saying that Albarado didn't have legit trouble getting to AP(saying he "knew" he had plane trouble, but calling it a lie and saying he could've made it anyway, re-read it) but decided to take off his mounts in a Grade II race where he was going to ride a heavy favorite (not to mention a legit shot on Marsh Side a half hour later) because he "capped" the race and thought it was a waste of time to show up. FFS, give me a break.

Sorry if that's combative and condescending, but it's not like I'm just swinging for the fences at an average joe who didn't make a post begging for it in the first place.

[Scav]

You can say that again. Obviously.



I'm sorry that I didn't take the high road you so crave, Bigs, because I have always appreciated you and the way you approach things, but perhaps if more people could offer "handicapping opinions" without being ridiculous blowhards, then handicapping would flow more freely and create less combative responses. It's a chicken/egg argument, and in this case, there's no going wrong for me. If Albarado had legit trouble getting to AP, then I'm in the clear. If he didn't, then he's a pisspoor handicapper, and he's clearly not alone. And Tom very clearly is saying that Albarado didn't have legit trouble getting to AP(saying he "knew" he had plane trouble, but calling it a lie and saying he could've made it anyway, re-read it) but decided to take off his mounts in a Grade II race where he was going to ride a heavy favorite (not to mention a legit shot on Marsh Side a half hour later) because he "capped" the race and thought it was a waste of time to show up. FFS, give me a break.

Sorry if that's combative and condescending, but it's not like I'm just swinging for the fences at an average joe who didn't make a post begging for it in the first place.

I heard in the morning that he wasn't showing up. Why didn't Albarado drive? For 350k in purse action you better believe those guys get to places regardless of HOW if they are 'live'. Do you think he is going to say "Well I think I have no shot so **** it, I am not coming"

There is a total of 6 flights from Louisville to O'Hare and Midway before noon, it is a one hour flight. He could have been on one of the flights if he REALLY wanted to. 9 times out of 10 they have 25 people on, with 40 empty seats. Both areas has crystal clear mornings also. You are telling me that 400 people flew out of Louisville to Chicago before noon yesterday.

How come Julien Leproux didn't have trouble, or Torres? They sure got here yesterday.

[Scav]

Chris Emigh facebook update: GOOD NEWS! Ride 3 today in the Claiming Crown at Cantebury! BAD NEWS! My flight got cancelled and all other flights booked full cuz of the huge storm that went thru Chicago! Now I'm racing the six hour trip to Minneapolis in my SUV!! I'LL miss the 1st one but might pick up some races late cuz I think a lot of people r... stranded all over the country

Shane Sellers and Florent Geroux sat on a plane on the tarmac delayed for only 3 hours and still went and stayed

ET Baird reserved THREE FLIGHTS just to make sure he got there (two were cancelled)

Guess Albarado just didn't need the opportunity to ride a even money shot for 12k (after he rode the horse at Arlington before so it wasn't like he didn't know the horse) and the opportunity at another 9k on Marsh Side

Crystal blue sky in both locations and plane trouble yet a deluge of rain at O'Hare, one jock drives 6 hours through weather to get up there(and its a stiff and not easy six hours because I have made the trip), and a couple others sit on a plane for hours and instead of just coming back like they were going to, they stayed.

L O L