View Full Version : 7/17-18 (HOL): A Gleam H. & Swaps S. (G2's); Sunset H. (G3)
Kasept
07-14-2010, 03:52 PM
4th (2:32) A Gleam H. (G2)
7 Furlongs (All Weather Track) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000
1 Will O Way Baze T C 114 L
2 Moon de French Garcia M 114 L
3 Emmy Darling Rosario J 115 L
4 Free Flying Soul Smith M E 122 L
5 Made for Magic Berrio O A 117 L
6 Sweet August Moon Espinoza V 116 L
9th (5:05) Swaps S. (G2)
1 1/8 Miles (All Weather Track) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $200,000
1 Alphie's Bet Smith M E 120 L
2 Summer Movie Garcia M 112 L
1 Sidney's Candy Talamo J 122 L
3 Skipshot Rosario J 114 L
1A Twirling Candy Espinoza V 112 L
A-Coupled: Sidney's Candy and Twirling Candy
RolloTomasi
07-14-2010, 04:00 PM
Bob Baffert had mentioned the possibility of wheeling Concord Point right back for this race after Golden Itiz bailed.
At the very least, you'd think he'd throw Game On Dude in there, who has been working regularly over at Santa Anita.
Furthermore, I'd imagine Twirling Candy will come out to await the restricted Oceanside at Del Mar on turf, reducing this to a 4-horse joke.
Of course, I think the last 15 runnings of the Swaps have had, at most, 5-horse fields.
10 pnt move up
07-14-2010, 05:26 PM
Bob Baffert had mentioned the possibility of wheeling Concord Point right back for this race after Golden Itiz bailed.
At the very least, you'd think he'd throw Game On Dude in there, who has been working regularly over at Santa Anita.
Furthermore, I'd imagine Twirling Candy will come out to await the restricted Oceanside at Del Mar on turf, reducing this to a 4-horse joke.
Of course, I think the last 15 runnings of the Swaps have had, at most, 5-horse fields.
I wish the graded stakes committee could cut half the stakes gradings and make it so there is some coherent structure to the race schedule and force a few more horses to run because there is less opportunities to win Grade 1 and Grade 2 events.
RolloTomasi
07-14-2010, 06:02 PM
I wish the graded stakes committee could cut half the stakes gradings and make it so there is some coherent structure to the race schedule and force a few more horses to run because there is less opportunities to win Grade 1 and Grade 2 events.
That would be good. What's also distressing though is these barns with multiple top class horses aren't even running at all, never mind pitting their charges against each other. Baffert has at least 3 horses eligible for this race, yet none show up. Where the hell is Todd Pletcher with Exhi?
Sidney's Candy vs. Exhi? Sadly, considering the rest of the racing landscape, that could have been an interesting matchup.
Is the mighty American Lion still alive? He was working regularly up through last month. Why is a Grade 3 horse biding his time?
tjfla
07-14-2010, 06:45 PM
Seems since Drosselmeyer is out of the Jim Dandy,a few horses are begin talked about for it
Concord Point and Game on Dude as 2 names discussed
hockey2315
07-14-2010, 06:49 PM
Ya I'm sure lots of connections were going to dodge Drosselmeyer.
10 pnt move up
07-14-2010, 09:35 PM
Ya I'm sure lots of connections were going to dodge Drosselmeyer.
(:
RockHardTen1985
07-14-2010, 10:03 PM
Seems since Drosselmeyer is out of the Jim Dandy,a few horses are begin talked about for it
Concord Point and Game on Dude as 2 names discussed
I think he is coming to the Jim Dandy with Concord Point.
knickslions2
07-15-2010, 12:21 PM
Bob Baffert had mentioned the possibility of wheeling Concord Point right back for this race after Golden Itiz bailed.
At the very least, you'd think he'd throw Game On Dude in there, who has been working regularly over at Santa Anita.
Furthermore, I'd imagine Twirling Candy will come out to await the restricted Oceanside at Del Mar on turf, reducing this to a 4-horse joke.
Of course, I think the last 15 runnings of the Swaps have had, at most, 5-horse fields.
I think Twirling Candy wins this
10 pnt move up
07-15-2010, 01:30 PM
I think Twirling Candy wins this
That would be interesting from the barn.
knickslions2
07-15-2010, 01:41 PM
That would be interesting from the barn.
Most definitely. Twirling looked realy sharp last race and is giving 10 less pounds here than Sidney. I'm sure the barn will probably move him out of this race but one can hope he stays here.
RolloTomasi
07-15-2010, 09:36 PM
Most definitely. Twirling looked realy sharp last race and is giving 10 less pounds here than Sidney. I'm sure the barn will probably move him out of this race but one can hope he stays here.
I haven't seen Twirling Candy's races, but doesn't he have the same running style as Sidney's Candy? Also, he hasn't raced further than 7f in 2 starts.
Either way, both horses starting in this race seems highly unlikely.
Kasept
07-16-2010, 08:13 AM
9th (5:05) Sunset H. (G3)
1 1/2 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $100,000
1 Great Siege (IRE) Baze T C 114 L
2 Oil Man (IRE) Garcia M 115 L
3 Dynamic Range Bejarano R 115 L
4 Champ Pegasus Talamo J 113 L
5 Buenos Dias (IRE) Blanc B 115 L
6 Unusual Suspect Nakatani C S 114 L
7 Marlang Rosario J 115 L
SCUDSBROTHER
07-16-2010, 11:59 PM
6 horses..5 horses..7 horses...Close that place up. It offers close to zero entertainment value.
knickslions2
07-17-2010, 09:30 AM
Twirling Candy scratched as suspected
knickslions2
07-17-2010, 08:23 PM
Skipshot wins
SCUDSBROTHER
07-17-2010, 10:30 PM
Sidney's Candy was clear n' couldn't get home. Gunna be better as a 1 turn /miler type. Drugs, didn't we discuss this here.... Aim for the Malibu etc.
Rupert Pupkin
07-18-2010, 05:45 PM
Sidney's Candy was clear n' couldn't get home. Gunna be better as a 1 turn /miler type. Drugs, didn't we discuss this here.... Aim for the Malibu etc.
He won the SA Derby (which is 1 1/8 miles) by 8 lengths. He gets beat yesterday when he obviously didn't fire and you think that proves that he can't go 1 1/8 miles?
the_fat_man
07-18-2010, 05:49 PM
He fired. It's just that his jock can't finish and got PUNKED by a stronger rider.
RockHardTen1985
07-18-2010, 06:12 PM
He won the SA Derby (which is 1 1/8 miles) by 8 lengths. He gets beat yesterday when he obviously didn't fire and you think that proves that he can't go 1 1/8 miles?
Is it not safe to say that he just needed the race and IMO it was the perfect prep. Excited to see him face his elders in the Pacific Classic next.
Rupert Pupkin
07-18-2010, 06:22 PM
Is it not safe to say that he just needed the race and IMO it was the perfect prep. Excited to see him face his elders in the Pacific Classic next.
That would not be my take on it. It's not as if he had been off for 6 months. He just ran in the Ky Derby 10 weeks ago. I don't think he needed this race. If anything, I think he needed more time off. Even before this race, they said that the trip to Kentucky really threw this horse for a loop. I didn't like the way he ran at all yesterday. I highly doubt he runs in the Pacific Classic. The Pacific Classic would have been an option if this horse would have won impressively yesterday. But as poorly as he ran yesteday, I would be extremely surprised to see him in the Pacific Classic.
RolloTomasi
07-18-2010, 11:07 PM
That would not be my take on it. It's not as if he had been off for 6 months. He just ran in the Ky Derby 10 weeks ago. I don't think he needed this race. If anything, I think he needed more time off. Even before this race, they said that the trip to Kentucky really threw this horse for a loop. I didn't like the way he ran at all yesterday. I highly doubt he runs in the Pacific Classic. The Pacific Classic would have been an option if this horse would have won impressively yesterday. But as poorly as he ran yesteday, I would be extremely surprised to see him in the Pacific Classic.
Just guessing, but maybe they'll regroup in the Grade 3 El Cajon unless they try the Del Mar Derby series.
Meanwhile, why didn't Summer Movie, who's two lifetime wins came on turf, wait for the Oceanside on Wednesday? Hollywood's racing secretary must have talked a good game to keep him in there. I guess he ran well enough to justify it.
SCUDSBROTHER
07-19-2010, 01:57 AM
He won the SA Derby (which is 1 1/8 miles) by 8 lengths. He gets beat yesterday when he obviously didn't fire and you think that proves that he can't go 1 1/8 miles?
Same with Caracortado. He was great in his first two routes, and then struggled to get two turns. That was an easy group yesterday. He should of romped. Yea, the trip to Kentucky knocked him on his ass. It was the 1st time he had to take pressure going two turns. Now he couldn't get home going 2 turns against Grade 3 quality horses. That's two races in a row he's giving ground in the stretch going 2 turns. Maybe he'll like the poly, or find his lungs at Anita. He already gave the horse the best cheater drugs he could get away with. The guy wanted to win a triple crown race in the worst way. He had to get there, and he did. Then, had to race clean in the Derby (fail.) Not like he has another freshen up drug left to try. He either reverts (on his own now) to liking the heavy synthetics, or he'll sprint. This trainer (and his boy Larry) are cheaters. When his 3 year olds had to run clean (in the Derby,) it was another fail in a Big National Race. That supertesting doesn't agree with him. Sadler, Mitchell, n' O'neil are the cheating Moe, Larry, Curly guys out here.
Rupert Pupkin
07-19-2010, 03:30 AM
Same with Caracortado. He was great in his first two routes, and then struggled to get two turns. That was an easy group yesterday. He should of romped. Yea, the trip to Kentucky knocked him on his ass. It was the 1st time he had to take pressure going two turns. Now he couldn't get home going 2 turns against Grade 3 quality horses. That's two races in a row he's giving ground in the stretch going 2 turns. Maybe he'll like the poly, or find his lungs at Anita. He already gave the horse the best cheater drugs he could get away with. The guy wanted to win a triple crown race in the worst way. He had to get there, and he did. Then, had to race clean in the Derby (fail.) Not like he has another freshen up drug left to try. He either reverts (on his own now) to liking the heavy synthetics, or he'll sprint. This trainer (and his boy Larry) are cheaters. When his 3 year olds had to run clean (in the Derby,) it was another fail in a Big National Race. That supertesting doesn't agree with him. Sadler, Mitchell, n' O'neil are the cheating Moe, Larry, Curly guys out here.
I agree with you about Caracortado having distance limitations. He is most effective up to 1 1/16 miles. He's really up against it when he tries to go further than that.
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