7/3-5 (BEL): Suburban (G2); Prioress (G1); Bed of Roses (G3)

[Alan07]

SATURDAY 9th (5:15) Suburban H. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Pictural Luzzi M J 110 L
1a I Want Revenge Talamo J 119 L
2 Eldaafer Valdivia J Jr 114 L
3 Convocation Desormeaux K J 115 L
4 Unbridled Danger Rodriguez J 108 L
5 Regal Ransom Garcia Alan 118 L
6 Haynesfield Dominguez R A 115 L



SUNDAY 9th (5:12) Prioress S. (G1)

6 Furlongs | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 Bonnie Blue Flag Garcia M 120 L
2 Champagne d'Oro Mena M 120 L
3 Franny Freud Gomez G K 122 L
4 Funny Feeling Garcia Alan 120 L
5 Stormandaprayer Maragh R 116 L



MONDAY 9th (5:17) Bed o' Roses H. (G3)

7 Furlongs | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Qualia Maragh R 115 L
2 Devil by Design Desormeaux K J 114 L
3 Amazing Luzzi M J 115 L
4 My Dinah Espinoza J L 112 L
5 Lady Alexander Lopez C C 115 L
6 Rightly So Velasquez C 114 L
7 Nicksappealinglady Garcia Alan 112 L
8 McVictory Dominguez R A 114 L

[RolloTomasi]

9th (5:15) Suburban H. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Pictural Luzzi M J 110 L
1a I Want Revenge Talamo J 119 L
2 Eldaafer Valdivia J Jr 114 L
3 Convocation Desormeaux K J 115 L
4 Unbridled Danger Rodriguez J 108 L
5 Regal Ransom Garcia Alan 118 L
6 Haynesfield Dominguez R A 115 L
I wonder what's the likelihood of Pictural and Unbridled Danger starting?

[knickslions2]

9th (5:15) Suburban H. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Pictural Luzzi M J 110 L
1a I Want Revenge Talamo J 119 L
2 Eldaafer Valdivia J Jr 114 L
3 Convocation Desormeaux K J 115 L
4 Unbridled Danger Rodriguez J 108 L
5 Regal Ransom Garcia Alan 118 L
6 Haynesfield Dominguez R A 115 L

Good to see I want Revenge back!!

[hockey2315]

I guess no Hold Me Back. . . good move by Mott. Belmont's card is pretty terrible as a whole, but I'm excited to see IWR.

[Cannon Shell]

9th (5:15) Suburban H. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Pictural Luzzi M J 110 L
1a I Want Revenge Talamo J 119 L
2 Eldaafer Valdivia J Jr 114 L
3 Convocation Desormeaux K J 115 L
4 Unbridled Danger Rodriguez J 108 L
5 Regal Ransom Garcia Alan 118 L
6 Haynesfield Dominguez R A 115 L

Whoa!

[letswastemoney]

Is Pictural a rabbit? Never heard of the horse.

[Cannon Shell]

Is Pictural a rabbit? Never heard of the horse.

Even the rabbits today suck. I remember when rabbits used to have speed...

[slotdirt]

He broke his maiden paying like $29 last year on Pacific Classic day. That's all I got.

[slotdirt]

Check that - two years ago, Pac Classic day.

[Cannon Shell]

Just got crop dusted at CD in a 50k claimer, 6th by 12. He doesn't have much speed. I guess the Suburban is a logical spot. Really NYRA should just put this race out of its misery by either canceling it or changing the name to the Bullsbay or something like that

[TouchOfGrey]

Is Pictural a rabbit? Never heard of the horse.

I Want Revenge gets help in Suburban (http://www.drf.com/news/article/114334.html)

The defection of four horses in a 48-hour span left the racing office scrambling to fill Saturday's $300,000 Suburban Handicap at Belmont Park. In the end, the Grade 2 race went with a field of seven, led by returning graded stakes winners I Want Revenge and Regal Ransom.

I Want Revenge, who has not run since winning the Grade 1 Wood Memorial in April 2009, will have a little help in the race as his connections, the IEAH Stables and trainer Richard Dutrow Jr., also entered Pictural as a rabbit to make sure Regal Ransom doesn't get loose on the front end. I Want Revenge and Pictural will run as a coupled entry.

"We're looking to put him on the lead," Dutrow said of Pictural, who drew post 4, one slot outside I Want Revenge.

[KY_Sasquash]

I guess no Hold Me Back. . . good move by Mott. Belmont's card is pretty terrible as a whole, but I'm excited to see IWR.

Goes tomorrow in the G3 Dominion Day at Woodbine

[hockey2315]

Ya I know - that's a better spot for him.

[ateamstupid]

Is Pictural a rabbit? Never heard of the horse.

Yes. They used him as a rabbit for Court Vision in the Maker's Mark as well.

[RockHardTen1985]

I guess no Hold Me Back. . . good move by Mott. Belmont's card is pretty terrible as a whole, but I'm excited to see IWR.

Excited to see what exactly? Look back at what he beat in those 2 Aqueduct romps, has anyone come back to be much of anything? He might be ok, but with the injury and layoff, I want no part of him.

[hockey2315]

He was extremely good in his two NY races. The competition he faced, in this particular case, means very little to me. I'm not saying I'll be betting him in this spot, but he could prove an exciting wild card for the rest of the year.

[RockHardTen1985]

He was extremely good in his two NY races. The competition he faced, in this particular case, means very little to me. I'm not saying I'll be betting him in this spot, but he could prove an exciting wild card for the rest of the year.


Agree to disagree.... I don't think he is much, I see RR or Convocation winning this. IWR will struggle, IMO.

[RolloTomasi]

Agree to disagree.... I don't think he is much, I see RR or Convocation winning this. IWR will struggle, IMO.
You don't think he's much based on his race record or are you banking on his injury/layoff compromising his chances?

[Kasept]

SUNDAY 9th (5:12) Prioress S. (G1)

6 Furlongs | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 Bonnie Blue Flag Garcia M 120 L
2 Champagne d'Oro Mena M 120 L
3 Franny Freud Gomez G K 122 L
4 Funny Feeling Garcia Alan 120 L
5 Stormandaprayer Maragh R 116 L



MONDAY 9th (5:17) Bed o' Roses H. (G3)

7 Furlongs | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Qualia Maragh R 115 L
2 Devil by Design Desormeaux K J 114 L
3 Amazing Luzzi M J 115 L
4 My Dinah Espinoza J L 112 L
5 Lady Alexander Lopez C C 115 L
6 Rightly So Velasquez C 114 L
7 Nicksappealinglady Garcia Alan 112 L
8 McVictory Dominguez R A 114 L

[philcski]

You don't think he's much based on his race record or are you banking on his injury/layoff compromising his chances?

No chance I would bet this horse at his 7/5 ML off the injury/layoff. I think that's what Joe's saying as well.

Given the amount of speed in here, I like Convocation- but if Eldaafer drifts up to 15-1 or so I'll throw a little bit that way as well.

[RockHardTen1985]

You don't think he's much based on his race record or are you banking on his injury/layoff compromising his chances?

I want no part of him at all off of this injury and this layoff... I actually heard a public handicapper today, say he could be the best horse in the country if he comes back ok.... I spit my soda out, thats how hard it made me laugh, then cringe. So many reassons why that is not likely to happen, his injury was serious, not the type that all horses just come back from, its been 15 months, who knows if he can even run at all anymore? Then if everything goes 100% great and perfect for the connections, and he comes back strong, now he is better then Quality Road and Blame? I dont buy it, I dont buy it at all... I like Regal Ransom moving forward, and I could be wrong about him... But in this spot, Im playing Regal Ransom and Convocation in some order...

As for his race record, I am normally the guy who goes crazy off of big efforts, and I never did for this horse. I never liked him much, I never liked what he beat and I just was never sold on him, again maybe Im wrong... I can tell you this though, the list of horses who jump up 10-25 beyer points from synthetic-dirt is ENDLESS... It happens every weekend in a stakes at Lone Star or Belmont, horses are bred for dirt. So IWR improved a lot, and beat up on total ****. He dodged QR, because QR was busy turning in triple digit beyers taking the Florida route to the Derby and when he face POTN on synthetics he could not beat him, not that that really matters.

So to officialy answer your question I think his race record is dressed up, and I think the layoff/injury are huge huge concerns and I dont think he was ever that good to begin with.

[blackthroatedwind]

I'm not very smart, so bear with me....but how is prefacing a statement with " he could " incorrect?

By the way, I Want Revenge has gone from " suspect returning from an injury " to " mortal lock " with your gibberish.

[the_fat_man]

By the way, I Want Revenge has gone from " suspect returning from an injury " to " mortal lock " with your gibberish.

Has Rudy or Sidney taken over the training of the horse?

[RockHardTen1985]

I'm not very smart, so bear with me....but how is prefacing a statement with " he could " incorrect?

By the way, I Want Revenge has gone from " suspect returning from an injury " to " mortal lock " with your gibberish.


I could be better then you?

I could be president?

Very silly, right?

Its just my opinion Andy, your likely right.... I just dont think he is much.
I do have to defend myself a little, and I dont think anything I said was gibberish. Also, I said not likely to happen, the older crop is not **** like last year, he would have to come back as good and then improve to be the best.

[10 pnt move up]

The Prioress is usually a really good race between the Acorn and the Test, any idea why it attracted such a small field?

[blackthroatedwind]

Once again, since you didn't answer my question, how is saying " he could " wrong?

Regardless of your opinion, which whether good or bad can be wrong, I Want Revenge was the pre-Derby co-favorite with Quality Road, and the favorite when that one was scratched. His two dirt races last year were tremendous. Of course he is tremendously suspect on Saturday. That goes without saying. But, that doesn't change the possibility that he COULD pick up where he left off last year. Yes, I too will believe it when I see it, but that doesn't change the existance of the possibility.

[NTamm1215]

I'm no veterinarian but wasn't IWR's injury one that horses normally don't return from or are rarely the same afterwards?

NT

[blackthroatedwind]

I'm no veterinarian but wasn't IWR's injury one that horses normally don't return from or are rarely the same afterwards?

NT

So it seems....but are we absolutely sure what exactly was wrong with him and haven't there been some recent advances treating his supposed injury?

Believe me, I'm dubious, or at least was until reading some recent posting here. Now I can't see him losing.

[RockHardTen1985]

Once again, since you didn't answer my question, how is saying " he could " wrong?

Regardless of your opinion, which whether good or bad can be wrong, I Want Revenge was the pre-Derby co-favorite with Quality Road, and the favorite when that one was scratched. His two dirt races last year were tremendous. Of course he is tremendously suspect on Saturday. That goes without saying. But, that doesn't change the possibility that he COULD pick up where he left off last year. Yes, I too will believe it when I see it, but that doesn't change the existance of the possibility.

Direct answer to your question....
I never said you were wrong, go read it again... My exact words were, "So manys reassons why thats not likely to happen"

[NTamm1215]

So it seems....but are we absolutely sure what exactly was wrong with him and haven't there been some recent advances treating his supposed injury?

Believe me, I'm dubious, or at least was until reading some recent posting here. Now I can't see him losing.

What has been stated here is nearly identical to him starting the race at the 1 1/16th mile mark and being able to run without Talamo.

I'll say this much, I'm not betting IWR but this race should set up beautifully for him.

NT

[blackthroatedwind]

Direct answer to your question....
I never said you were wrong, go read it again... My exact words were, "So manys reassons why thats not likely to happen"

I know what you wrote. It was a veiled cheap shot.

Be a man if you're going to do it in the future.

[RockHardTen1985]

I know what you wrote. It was a veiled cheap shot.

Be a man if you're going to do it in the future.




It was not that cheap, if anything it was borderline. Not meant to argue either just discuss horse/race.

[miraja2]

As for his race record, I am normally the guy who goes crazy off of big efforts, and I never did for this horse. I never liked him much, I never liked what he beat and I just was never sold on him, again maybe Im wrong... I can tell you this though, the list of horses who jump up 10-25 beyer points from synthetic-dirt is ENDLESS... It happens every weekend in a stakes at Lone Star or Belmont, horses are bred for dirt. So IWR improved a lot, and beat up on total ****. He dodged QR, because QR was busy turning in triple digit beyers taking the Florida route to the Derby and when he face POTN on synthetics he could not beat him, not that that really matters.

So to officialy answer your question I think his race record is dressed up, and I think the layoff/injury are huge huge concerns and I dont think he was ever that good to begin with.
If you didn't like him the days leading up to last year's Derby I think you were crazy. I went to bed last year on that Friday night more convinced than I ever had been that I knew who was going to win that race. His Wood Memorial was simply outstanding and there is every reason to believe that without the injury he could have had a dominant season last year.

None of that means that playing against him in this race is the wrong move, but his return certainly has me intrigued.

[philcski]

I'm no veterinarian but wasn't IWR's injury one that horses normally don't return from or are rarely the same afterwards?

NT

From what I know, you are correct.

So it seems....but are we absolutely sure what exactly was wrong with him and haven't there been some recent advances treating his supposed injury?

Believe me, I'm dubious, or at least was until reading some recent posting here. Now I can't see him losing.

By all reports I've heard it was a suspensory, which in my only slightly-above-layman's understanding is when it is severely injured it's like a rubber band that has been stretched too far. It rarely regains it's previous strength/form. There supposedly has been advances in electromagnetic treatments, but I still think it's still pretty dubious. Let's face it, if there was any stallion market at ALL out there he would have been long gone. I think it's 1 in 10 that he returns to his previous form.

[philcski]

If you didn't like him the days leading up to last year's Derby I think you were crazy. I went to bed last year on that Friday night more convinced than I ever had been that I knew who was going to win that race. His Wood Memorial was simply outstanding and there is every reason to believe that without the injury he could have had a dominant season last year.

None of that means that playing against him in this race is the wrong move, but his return certainly has me intrigued.

I didn't like him going into the Derby. Between reports of his possible injury and my utter lack of trust of Mullins under any type of scrutiny I was not going to bet him at 2-1. That's not to discount his Wood Memorial performance which was outstanding of course.

That being said, last years' Derby is still inscrutable to me and we know the results!

[blackthroatedwind]

From what I know, you are correct.



By all reports I've heard it was a suspensory, which in my only slightly-above-layman's understanding is when it is severely injured it's like a rubber band that has been stretched too far. It rarely regains it's previous strength/form. There supposedly has been advances in electromagnetic treatments, but I still think it's still pretty dubious. Let's face it, if there was any stallion market at ALL out there he would have been long gone. I think it's 1 in 10 that he returns to his previous form.

Phil, you know I'm the last guy to believe the hype, and you are most likely right about the stallion situation, but it's still pretty intriguing. I guess you could say I am wishing he could come back, despite the odds ( 10% seems low but it may be fair ), as the prospect would be pretty cool. I like Blame, but let's be serious, he hasn't done enough on the track right now to be considered a serious threat to Quality Road. If anything, right now, HE feels like the bet against ( I realize he's not the favorite ) in the Whitney. As long a shot as it seems, and probably is, the sexiest matchup would be Quality Road/I Want Revenge. It doesn't appear we are getting the other matchup everybody wants ( at least any time soon ) so why not dream.

I picked I Want Revenge Saturday because he actually feels like the wise guy pick....as nobody seems to like him. I know, he's the favorite, but you know what I mean.

[10 pnt move up]

Given the connections, I hope he is eased....uninjured of course.

[philcski]

Phil, you know I'm the last guy to believe the hype, and you are most likely right about the stallion situation, but it's still pretty intriguing. I guess you could say I am wishing he could come back, despite the odds ( 10% seems low but it may be fair ), as the prospect would be pretty cool. I like Blame, but let's be serious, he hasn't done enough on the track right now to be considered a serious threat to Quality Road. If anything, right now, HE feels like the bet against ( I realize he's not the favorite ) in the Whitney. As long a shot as it seems, and probably is, the sexiest matchup would be Quality Road/I Want Revenge. It doesn't appear we are getting the other matchup everybody wants ( at least any time soon ) so why not dream.

I picked I Want Revenge Saturday because he actually feels like the wise guy pick....as nobody seems to like him. I know, he's the favorite, but you know what I mean.

We need all the good horses we can get right now, and I'll hold my nose about the human connections and hope he comes back 100%. He could actually be really good, unlike a lot of these plugs that make up the handicap division. Blame has done a lot of good but he really isn't a threat to QR, no. Regal Ransom could be really good- cross a line through the synthetic races and the Derby and he's 5/3-2-0. I guess as a fan I'm rooting for those two to come back 100% but as a bettor I wouldn't want to take 7/5 or 2/1. If the morning line is wrong, and it's more like 5/2 and 3/1... I'll reconsider, but I think Eric has it right.

[blackthroatedwind]

We need all the good horses we can get right now, and I'll hold my nose about the human connections and hope he comes back 100%. He could actually be really good, unlike a lot of these plugs that make up the handicap division. Blame has done a lot of good but he really isn't a threat to QR, no. Regal Ransom could be really good- cross a line through the synthetic races and the Derby and he's 5/3-2-0. I guess as a fan I'm rooting for those two to come back 100% but as a bettor I wouldn't want to take 7/5 or 2/1. If the morning line is wrong, and it's more like 5/2 and 3/1... I'll reconsider, but I think Eric has it right.

Jay made the line....Eric is out for a few days.

I agree about Regal Ransom....he looks a LOT better if you just look at his dirt races. He was lucky to win the Super Derby, but it was off a 4 month layoff. He can run.

The whole thing may well fall apart, and Convocation could win, but I'm rooting for the " more good horses " plot line. We'll see. I'm not shilling here.....I think it's a very intriguing race.

[philcski]

I think it's an interesting race from a lot of angles too.

Runner not talked about yet: Haynesfield. Obviously on paper the race shape doesn't fit him well but draw a line through the debut and the drubbing by IWR (I think he came out with an injury if I remember correctly), and the horse is a head from undefeated in the remaining races- and the head loss was off the injury layoff. Actually really talented or just well managed? Tough call. I did like his return a lot though.

Sidenote, he must have worked like crap at KEE because an intact Speightstown NYB seems like a pretty good buy to me. Where is Drugs with the workout analysis?!?

[RockHardTen1985]

If you didn't like him the days leading up to last year's Derby I think you were crazy. I went to bed last year on that Friday night more convinced than I ever had been that I knew who was going to win that race. His Wood Memorial was simply outstanding and there is every reason to believe that without the injury he could have had a dominant season last year.

None of that means that playing against him in this race is the wrong move, but his return certainly has me intrigued.

I did not like him at all going into the Derby.... I loved QR till he got hurt. IWR was a hype horse IMO that I was not falling for and trying to beat based on him running 2 giant races vs horrible competition. I thought the FL races were stronger, and POTN would improve on dirt, just like IWR did.
Derby day I based all my bets around Pioneer of the Nile and Dunkirk....
I guess Im crazy to like the horse who ran second.

[Indian Charlie]

I did not like him at all going into the Derby.... I loved QR till he got hurt. IWR was a hype horse IMO that I was not falling for and trying to beat based on him running 2 giant races vs horrible competition. .

You mean..

kinda like....

Eskenderya?

[RockHardTen1985]

You mean..

kinda like....

Eskenderya?

Maybe, but I doubt it. Esky was the goods.

[Kasept]

MONDAY 9th (5:17) Bed o' Roses H. (G3)

7 Furlongs | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Qualia Maragh R 115 L
2 Devil by Design Desormeaux K J 114 L
3 Amazing Luzzi M J 115 L
4 My Dinah Espinoza J L 112 L
5 Lady Alexander Lopez C C 115 L
6 Rightly So Velasquez C 114 L
7 Nicksappealinglady Garcia Alan 112 L
8 McVictory Dominguez R A 114 L

[Left Bank]

WOW! Haynesfield looked like he wasn't even trying.

[ateamstupid]

Nice rabbit.

[the_fat_man]

Brutal, brutal experience for I Want Revenge. Terrible action and Talamo was beating the **** out of him? Why Joe, was this race he absolutely had to win?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Nice rabbit.

Maybe Dutrow will start using Stardom Bound as a rabbit.

[Left Bank]

Maybe Dutrow will start using Stardom Bound as a rabbit.

:tro::tro::tro:

[Indian Charlie]

Maybe Dutrow will start using Stardom Bound as a rabbit.

Actually, she was sold in the last couple of days.

Undisclosed amount.

[philcski]

Actually, she was sold in the last couple of days.

Undisclosed amount.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/57730/champion-stardom-bound-sold-privately

I'm going with worst purchase ever for $5.7MM...

(bonus points considering that Rachel Alexandra was for sale at about the same time)

[RockHardTen1985]

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/57730/champion-stardom-bound-sold-privately

I'm going with worst purchase ever for $5.7MM...

(bonus points considering that Rachel Alexandra was for sale at about the same time)

Who do you like in this G1 sprint today?

[RockHardTen1985]

MONDAY 9th (5:17) Bed o' Roses H. (G3)

7 Furlongs | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Qualia Maragh R 115 L
2 Devil by Design Desormeaux K J 114 L
3 Amazing Luzzi M J 115 L
4 My Dinah Espinoza J L 112 L
5 Lady Alexander Lopez C C 115 L
6 Rightly So Velasquez C 114 L
7 Nicksappealinglady Garcia Alan 112 L
8 McVictory Dominguez R A 114 L


I am excited to see Qualia step up here, I think shes a total standout in this spot.

[Kasept]

How about three NY breds sweeping the three graded stakes this weekend at Belmont?

Suburban/Haynesfield..

Prioress/Franny Freud..

Bed o'Roses/Rightly So..

[RockHardTen1985]

How about three NY breds sweeping the three graded stakes this weekend at Belmont?

Suburban/Haynesfield..

Prioress/Franny Freud..

Bed o'Roses/Rightly So..


Rightly So was especially disgusting for me, live in the Grand Slam for $50.
25x17 and change.