1/16 (SA): San Fernando, Santa Ynez (G2's); San Rafael (G3)

[Kasept]

3rd (1:31) San Rafael S. (G3)

1 Mile (All Weather Track) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Cardiff Giant Espinoza V 116 L
2 Domonation Rosario J 116 L
3 Conveyance Gomez G K 116 L
4 Lucky Rave (GB) Solis A 116 L
5 Via Verde Bejarano R 116 Blk-Off L



5th (2:34) Santa Ynez S. (G2)

7 Furlongs (All Weather Track) | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Seriously Espinoza V 114 L
2 Franny Freud Gomez G K 123 L
3 Whispering Hush Smith M E 114 L
4 Amen Hallelujah Sutherland C 114 L
5 She's Funomenal Rosario J 116 L
6 Switch Bejarano R 114 L



7th (3:36) San Fernando S. (G2)

1 1/16 Miles (All Weather Track) | Open | 4 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Smart Bid Smith M E 118 L
2 Viscount Gomez G K 116 L
3 Rendezvous Bejarano R 120 L
4 Papa Clem Baze T C 120 L
5 Mr. Hot Stuff Talamo J 116 L
6 Mythical Power Rosario J 120 L
7 Gallant Son Solis A 116 L
8 Quindici Man Espinoza V 118 L

[Gander]

Fanny Freud...interesting. Never seen John Terranova start a horse out in California, have you?

Makes sense that he maybe should do this more often seeing him and his wife are best friends with the Bafferts.

Thoughts? Is he good enough?

[Kasept]

Fanny Freud...interesting. Never seen John Terranova start a horse out in California, have you?

Makes sense that he maybe should do this more often seeing him and his wife are best friends with the Bafferts.

Thoughts? Is he good enough?
She.. Apparently is working great. Baffert has indeed been handling.

It's a terrific field though.

[Scav]

Why does Pletcher go to the California Derby with Connemara, when he can get graded earnings against a 5 horse field on a surface he already won over?

[miraja2]

Why does Pletcher go to the California Derby with Connemara, when he can get graded earnings against a 5 horse field on a surface he already won over?
Good question. Is it possible he just wants him to go 8.5 rather than the mile? That is the only think I can think of, although given that there will be plenty of opportunities at 8.5 in the months ahead, I'm not sure how much sense that reason would make.
All in all it seems like the San Rafael would make more sense.

[Scav]

Good question. Is it possible he just wants him to go 8.5 rather than the mile? That is the only think I can think of, although given that there will be plenty of opportunities at 8.5 in the months ahead, I'm not sure how much sense that reason would make.
All in all it seems like the San Rafael would make more sense.

Edit: He would be the longest shot in the race and is significantly slower (per the Beyer numbers) off his last. Makes sense now I guess

[Diver67]

Conveyance has apparently been sold to a relative of Sheik Mohammed; listed as owned by Zabeel Racing. :mad:

[Buckpasser]

Thoroughbred Legends has sold Conveyance to Sheikh Rashid al-Maktoum's Zabeel Racing. Will stay with Baffert in California.

[freddymo]

Thoroughbred Legends has sold Conveyance to Sheikh Rashid al-Maktoum's Zabeel Racing. Will stay with Baffert in California.
Shipping to Dubai for the Festival?

[Sightseek]

Of all of that money they have spent at auction in the past year or two this was the only horse that could run.

[10 pnt move up]

Of all of that money they have spent at auction in the past year or two this was the only horse that could run.

did they recoup the investment in one day?

[keithting]

This is a nice race!!

Fyi, John Terranova trains Negligee who raced in the recent Breeders Cup Juvenile Fillies at Santa Anita.

Franny Freud just outlasted Negligee in the Ontario Debutante Stakes at Woodbine back in August.

[Indian Charlie]

I must say I am quite dismayed.

Thankfully it will stay with Baffert at least at not end up in the incompetent hands of Harty or that weird mumbling gibberish speaking guy.

[parsixfarms]

Fanny Freud...interesting. Never seen John Terranova start a horse out in California, have you?

I believe he won the Hollywood Starlet with Laragh in 2008.

[randallscott35]

Any thoughts on the San Fernando?

[Kasept]

Any thoughts on the San Fernando?
Papa Clem stretching back to two turns here after the good comebacker in the Malibu looks terrific to me. Using Mythical Power with him.

[freddymo]

Papa Clem stretching back to two turns here after the good comebacker in the Malibu looks terrific to me. Using Mythical Power with him.
Papa Clem is fried

[Kasept]

Papa Clem is fried
Fried? What are you talking about Freddy? He came back from a 90 day break with a very solid Malibu. And he's worked fabulously since.

[randallscott35]

I really want to bet Mr. Hot Stuff in this race and it makes me feel like a bad person.

[freddymo]

Fried? What are you talking about Freddy? He came back from a 90 day break with a very solid Malibu. And he's worked fabulously since.
I thought the Malibu spot was ridiculous. Although my friends thought I was an idiot for suggesting it was a horrible spot. The horse has not stopped and Stute drilled him what like 5 days after the Malibu. When did the horse win last Purim? I thought getting him an allowance race around two turns against softer made a bunch more sense.Instead Stute races him in the Malibu? Why the Malibu, was winning a 7f race at 3 such a big deal? I would have thought getting him a win in the San Antonio and then maybe the better G1's as a handicap horse made more sense. Now he is back off a hurried "sort of layoff" and a big effort in the Malibu.. I think he is complete toast. My opinion is very unpopular among much smarter then I.. But I still think he is doomed..

Stute drilled him days after the Malibu? You think Stute found the Sheppard piece entertaining?

90 day break on a horse that shipped the globe and ran hard all of 09...How many of those 90 days did the horse really have to let down especially around his connections. I doubt the horse had 3 real weeks of R&R

[Kasept]

I thought the Malibu spot was ridiculous. Although my friends thought I was an idiot for suggesting it was a horrible spot. The horse has not stopped and Stute drilled him what like 5 days after the Malibu. When did the horse win last Purim? I thought getting him an allowance race around two turns against softer made a bunch more sense.Instead Stute races him in the Malibu? Why the Malibu, was winning a 7f race at 3 such a big deal? I would have thought getting him a win in the San Antonio and then maybe the better G1's as a handicap horse made more sense. Now he is back off a hurried "sort of layoff" and a big effort in the Malibu.. I think he is complete toast. My opinion is very unpopular among much smarter then I.. But I still think he is doomed..

Stute drilled him days after the Malibu? You think Stute found the Sheppard piece entertaining?
I'm confidant that owner-breeder Bo Hirsch would disagree with you. The Malibu is the last Gr. I of the year for three year olds, so he was able to end the season as "Gr. II winner, Gr. I placed at 3". They're trying to build a resume. And I'd say that an old school-style trainer like Stute is quite happy to go from 7f to 8.5f second off the layoff. This is the "Strub Series" after all... It has a rather time-tested aspect to it.

[freddymo]

I'm confidant that owner-breeder Bo Hirsch would disagree with you. The Malibu is the last Gr. I of the year for three year olds, so he was able to end the season as "Gr. II winner, Gr. I placed at 3". They're trying to build a resume. And I'd say that an old school-style trainer like Stute is quite happy to go from 7f to 8.5f second off the layoff. This is the "Strub Series" after all... It has a rather time-tested aspect to it.
I really don't get the last time to get a G1 on him against 3 year olds. Is anyone going to think of Papa Clem as a great 3 year old. Moreover his best chance to get a book full is to be an excellent 4 year old and potentially be arounf for a BC race. Will see I realize my opinion is deemed moronic by many.

[asudevil]

I thought the Malibu spot was ridiculous. Although my friends thought I was an idiot for suggesting it was a horrible spot. The horse has not stopped and Stute drilled him what like 5 days after the Malibu. When did the horse win last Purim? I thought getting him an allowance race around two turns against softer made a bunch more sense.Instead Stute races him in the Malibu? Why the Malibu, was winning a 7f race at 3 such a big deal? I would have thought getting him a win in the San Antonio and then maybe the better G1's as a handicap horse made more sense. Now he is back off a hurried "sort of layoff" and a big effort in the Malibu.. I think he is complete toast. My opinion is very unpopular among much smarter then I.. But I still think he is doomed..

Stute drilled him days after the Malibu? You think Stute found the Sheppard piece entertaining?

90 day break on a horse that shipped the globe and ran hard all of 09...How many of those 90 days did the horse really have to let down especially around his connections. I doubt the horse had 3 real weeks of R&R
Everyone here understands that reference. We all dressed in costume as Haman, Mordecai, and Esther.....

[NTamm1215]

I wasn't particularly taken with Papa Clem's Malibu and see him as likely to be horribly overbet in this race.

NT

[RockHardTen1985]

I like Rosario.

[NTamm1215]

I like Rosario.

So does Vic.

NT

[RockHardTen1985]

So does Vic.

NT

Im warming up to Vic.

[miraja2]

Papa Clem stretching back to two turns here after the good comebacker in the Malibu looks terrific to me. Using Mythical Power with him.
Yeah, you have to think the price might be right coming off that tenth place finish in a race at a distance that didn't suit him, and where he was extremely wide. Even by Baffert's usual standards he has been going extremely fast in the mornings since that race. I like his chances too.

[my miss storm cat]

I think Gallant Son wins the San Fernando. (As an aside I'm not seeing anyone beating Conveyance. No point in playing, just a fun race to watch).

Race 6, however, is interesting... :$:

[Sightseek]

Good for Chantal!

[eajinabi]

Thoroughbred Legends has sold Conveyance to Sheikh Rashid al-Maktoum's Zabeel Racing. Will stay with Baffert in California.

You mean the country of Abu Dhabi owns Conveyance

[freddymo]

Good for Chantal!

Mike Smith is a lucky man to befriend such a rider

[letswastemoney]

Well Baffert admitted himself that Mythical Power is better on dirt....maybe today proved that theory.

[alysheba4]

maybe, or maybe he wasnt quite good enough.

[Indian Charlie]

Soooo, let me get this straight.

Conveyance gets a 90 BSF for going 136.45.
Papa Clem gets a 96 BSF for going 142.64, while getting the mile in 136.64??

And people say musicals are gay?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Since when is 1:36.45 at a mile as fast as 1:42.64 at 8.5f?

[philcski]

Soooo, let me get this straight.

Conveyance gets a 90 BSF for going 136.45.
Papa Clem gets a 96 BSF for going 142.64, while getting the mile in 136.64??

And people say musicals are gay?

Papa Clem should have been 3 points higher than Conveyance, not 6. But yes, 1:42.64 is faster than 1:36.45.

[Indian Charlie]

Papa Clem should have been 3 points higher than Conveyance, not 6. But yes, 1:42.64 is faster than 1:36.45.

It's slightly faster.

And according to something I read somewhere else, the track got faster later in the day. Who knows about that.