2009 Breeders' Cup

[Kasept]

$5 million Breeders' Cup Classic

1. Mine That Bird Calvin Borel Chip Woolley, Jr. 12-1
2. Colonel John Garrett Gomez Eoin Harty 12-1
3. Summer Bird Kent Desormeaux Tim Ice 9-2
4. Zenyatta Mike Smith John Shirreffs 5-2
5. Twice Over (GB) Thomas Queally Henry Cecil 20-1
6. Richard's Kid Alex Solis Bob Baffert 12-1
7. Gio Ponti Ramon Dominguez Christophe Clement 12-1
8. Einstein (BRZ) Julien Leparoux Helen Pitts 12-1
9. Girolamo Alan Garcia Saeed bin Suroor 20-1
10. Rip Van Winkle (IRE) John Murtagh Aidan O'Brien 7-2
11. Regal Ransom Richard Migliore Saeed bin Suroor 20-1
12. Quality Road John Velazquez Todd Pletcher 12-1
13. Awesome Gem David Flores Craig Dollase 30-1


$3 million Emirates Airline Breeders' Cup Turf

1. Telling Javier Castellano Steve Hobby 20-1
2. Conduit (IRE) Ryan Moore Sir Michael Stoute 7-5
3. Red Rocks (IRE) Julien Leparoux Brian Meehan 20-1
4. Allegre John Velazquez Mike Chambers 50-1
5. Dar Re Mi Frankie Dettori John Gosden 3-1
6. Precious Passion Elvis Trujillo Mary Hartmann 4-1
7. Spanish Moon Kieren Fallon Sir Michael Stoute 5-2
8. Monzante Rafael Bejarano Mike Mitchell 30-1


$1 million Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile

1. Mastercraftsman (IRE) J. Murtagh Aidan O'Brien 6-5
2. Furthest Land J. Leparoux Michael Maker 20-1
3. Midshipman G. Gomez Saeed Bin Suroor 6-1
4. Bullsbay J. Rose Graham Motion 3-1
5. Neko Bay M. Smith John Shirreffs 20-1
6. Mambo Meister M. Cruz Philip Gleaves 30-1
7. Pyro J. Velazquez Saeed Bin Suroor 7-1
8. Mr. Sidney K. Desormeaux Bill Mott 12-1
9. Chocolate Candy J. Rosario Jerry Hollendorfer 15-1
10. Ready's Echo C. Borel Todd Pletcher 20-1


$2 million TVG Breeders' Cup Mile

1. Court Vision R. Albarado Richard Dutrow Jr. 12-1
2. Cowboy Cal J. Velazquez Todd Pletcher 6-1
3. Whatsthescript (IRE) K. Desormeaux John Sadler 15-1
4. Delegator (GB) F. Dettori Saeed bin Suroor 3-1
5. Karelian R. Maragh George Arnold III 6-1
6. Courageous Cat R. Dominguez Bill Mott 20-1
7. Ferneley (IRE) R. Bejarano Ben Cecil 20-1
8. Zacinto (GB) R. Moore Sir Michael Stoute 8-1
9. Gladiatorus A. Ajtebi Saeed bin Suroor 20-1
10. Justenuffhumor A. Garcia Kiaran McLaughlin 10-1
11. Goldikova (IRE) O. Peslier Frederic Head 8-5


$2 million Grey Goose Breeders' Cup Juvenile

1. Alfred Nobel (IRE) John Murtagh Aidan O'Brien 20-1
2. Piscitelli Kent Desormeaux Gregory Sacco 50-1
3. Beethoven (IRE) Ryan Moore Aidan O'Brien 20-1
4. Noble's Promise Willie Martinez Ken McPeek 8-1
5. D' Funnybone Edgar Prado Richard Dutrow 5-2
6. Pulsion Mike Smith Patrick Biancone 20-1
7. Vale of York (IRE) Ahmed Ajtebi Saeed Bin Suroor 20-1
8. Eskendereya Javier Castellano Todd Pletcher 10-1
9. Aikenite Alan Garcia Todd Pletcher 8-1
10. Aspire Julien Leparoux Eddie Kenneally 30-1
11. Radiohead (GB) Martin Dwyer Brian Meehan 15-1
12. William's Kitten Ramon Dominguez Michael Maker 30-1
13. Lookin At Lucky Garrett Gomez Bob Baffert 8-5


$2 million Sentient Jet Breeders' Cup Sprint

1. Zensational Victor Espinoza 7-5
2. Cost of Freedom Tyler Baze John Sadler 20-1
3. Fatal Bullet Eurico Da Silva Reade Baker 9-2
4. Crown of Thorns Rafael Bejarano Richard Mandella 12-1
5. Gayego Garrett Gomez Saeed bin Suroor 5-2
6. Dancing in Silks Joel Rosario Carla Gaines 12-1
7. Join in the Dance John Velazquez Todd Pletcher 30-1
8. Capt. Candyman Can Javier Castellano Ian Wilkes 15-1
9. Fleeting Spirit (IRE) Frankie Dettori Jeremy Noseda 8-1


$1 million Breeders' Cup Turf Sprint

1. Noble Court Joel Rosario John Sadler 8-1
2. Silver Timber Julien Leparoux Chad Brown 8-1
3. California Flag Joe Talamo Brian Koriner 7-2
4. Lord Shanakill Jim Crowley Richard Mandella 8-1
5. Get Funky Rafael Bejarano John Sadler 20-1
6. Cannonball Ramon Dominguez Wesley Ward 8-1
7. Gotta Have Her Tyler Baze Jenine Sahadi 15-1
8. Square Eddie Frankie Dettori Doug O'Neill 20-1
9. Diamondrella (GB) Rajiv Maragh Richard Dutrow 4-1
10. Canadian Ballet Alan Garcia Linda Rice 20-1
11. El Gato Malo David Flores Craig Dollase 30-1
12. Strike the Deal Kieren Fallon Jeremy Noseda 15-1
13. Desert Code Richard Migliore David Hofmans 20-1
14. Delta Storm Garrett Gomez Mike Mitchell 10-1
AE Tenga Cat Mike Smith Ron Ellis 30-1
AE Cherokee Heaven Brice Blanc Martin Jones 30-1


$1 million Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf

1. Zip Quik Mike Smith Patrick Biancone 50-1
2. Viscount Nelson John Murtagh Aidan P. O'Brien 6-1
3. Codoy Garrett Gomez Mark Hubley 15-1
4. Pounced Frankie Dettori John H. M. Gosden 9-2
5. Gallant Gent Joel Rosario Craig Lewis 30-1
6. Awesome Act Ryan Moore Jeremy Noseda 20-1
7. Bridgetown Robert Landry Kenneth G. McPeek 8-1
8. King Ledley Rafael Bejarano Darrin Miller 20-1
9. Kera's Kitten Rajiv Maragh Michael Maker 12-1
10. Becky's Kitten Julien Leparoux Wesley Ward 12-1
11. Interactif Kent Desormeaux Todd Pletcher 4-1
12. Buzzword (GB) Ahmed Ajtebi Saeed bid Suroor 6-1
AE Dean's Kitten Ramon Dominguez Michael Maker 12-1
AE Summer Movie Michael Baze Art Sherman 50-1


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$2 million Breeders' Cup Distaff

1. Careless Jewel Robert Landry Josie Carroll 2-1
2. Life Is Sweet Garrett Gomez John Shirreffs 8-1
3. Mushka Kent Desormeaux William I. Mott 12-1
4. Lethal Heat Alex Solis Barry Abrams 20-1
5. Proviso (GB) John Velazquez Robert J. Frankel 8-1
6. Cocoa Beach (CHI) Richard Migliore Saeed bin Suroor 8-1
7. Music Note Rajiv Maragh Saeed bin Suroor 9-5
8. Rainbow View Julien Leparoux John H. M. Gosden 6-1


$1 million Sentient Jet Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Sprint

1. Free Flying Soul Mike Smith Bruce Headley 50-1
2. Sara Louise Frankie Dettori Saeed bin Suroor 9-2
3. Game Face Edgar Prado Todd Pletcher 10-1
4. Only Green (IRE) Olivier Peslier Freddy Head 20-1
5. Silver Swallow Alex Solis Bruce Headley 30-1
6. Evita Argentina Joel Rosario John Sadler 20-1
7. Informed Decision Julian Leparoux Jonathon Sheppard 5-2
8. Seventh Street Rajiv Maragh Saeed bin Suroor 4-1
9. Ventura Garrett Gomez Bobby Frankel 8-5


$2 million Emirates Airline Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Turf

1. Visit (GB) John Velazquez Robert J. Frankel 10-1
2. Forever Together Julien Leparoux Jonathan E. Sheppard 5-2
3. Rutherienne Alan Garcia Christophe Clement 8-1
4. Magical Fantasy Alex Solis Patrick Gallagher 3-1
5. Pure Clan Garrett Gomez Robert E. Holthus 5-1
6. Midday (GB) Thomas Queally Henry Cecil 4-1
7. Dynaforce Kent Desormeaux William I. Mott 8-1
8. Maram Jose Lezcano Chad Brown 15-1


$2 million Grey Goose Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies

1. Zilva Jeremy Rose H. Graham Motion 30-1
2. Ms Vanenzza Joseph Rocco, Jr. Juan Vasquez 30-1
3. Blind Luck Tyler Baze Jerry Hollendorfer 3-1
4. Beautician Robby Albarado Kenneth G. McPeek 6-1
5. Bickersons Joel Rosario Kelly J. Breen 20-1
6. Connie and Michael Kent Desormeaux Kenneth G. McPeek 4-1
7. Devil May Care John Velazquez Todd Pletcher 8-1
8. She Be Wild Julien Leparoux Wayne Catalano 8-1
9. Champagne d'Oro Martin Garcia John Daley 50-1
10. Negligee Rajiv Maragh John P. Terranova II 6-1
11. Always a Princess Garrett Gomez Bob Baffert 6-1
12. Biofuel Eurico Da Silva Reade Baker 15-1


$1 million Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies Turf

1. Potosina John Velazquez Mark Shuman 20-1
2. Elusive Galaxy (IRE) Rafael Bejarano Ben Cecil 12-1
3. Smart Seattle Jeremy Rose H. Graham Motion 8-1
4. Rose Catherine Javier Castellano Todd Pletcher 8-1
5. La Nez Mike Smith J. Eric Kruljac 20-1
6. Jungle Tale Shaun Bridgmohan Steven M. Asmussen 15-1
7. House of Grace Michael Luzzi Kenneth G. McPeek 4-1
8. Lillie Langtry John Murtagh Aidan P. O'Brien 3-1
9. Hatheer Alan Garcia Kiaran P. McLaughlin 10-1
10. Tapitsfly Robby Albarado Dale Romans 8-1
11. Junia Tepzia (IRE) Kieren Fallon Peter Schiergen 8-1
12. Lisa's Kitten Julien Leparoux Michael Maker 12-1
AE Dad's Crazy Ramon Dominguez Todd Pletcher 15-1
AE In the Slips Garrett Gomez Jeff Mullins 12-1


$500,000 Breeders' Cup Marathon

1. Black Astor Alex Solis Lisa Lewis 12-1
2. Muhannak (IRE) Ryan Moore Richard Pegum 12-1
3. Nite Light John Velazquez Todd Pletcher 4-1
4. Cloudy's Knight Rosemary Homeister Jr. Jonathan Sheppard 8-1
5. Father Time (GB) Eddie Ahern Henry Cecil 3-1
6. Mastery (GB) Frankie Dettori Saeed bin Suroor 9-5
7. Sir Dave Joel Rosario Jack Carava 20-1
8. Eldaafer Rafael Bejarano Diane Alvarado 30-1
9. Man of Iron John Murtagh Aidan P. O'Brien 8-1
10. Gangbuster Kent Desormeaux J. Keith Desormeaux 30-1

[the_fat_man]

Maybe if Gomez doesn't blow TWO G1's this year on Ventura, her connections run her where she really belongs: the TURF MILE. She gains nothing by beating up on Indian Blessing and the others again.

And, Gio in the Classic is a BAD MOVE.

[TropicalStorm]

I believe the tough luck Dar Re Mi will head to the Big Turf race, not the filly race. The Classic being on proride has left the BCT a very easy spot. She likely will join a few mares in the BCT instead of the filly race because the lack of any American turf horses. The only talented American turf horse is likely going in the Classic. The Europeans have a few other nice fillies for the filly turf race. The Europeans could have a very big weekend.

[Sightseek]

You think Mrs. Jess will run Hot Dixie Chick?

[NTamm1215]

You think Mrs. Jess will run Hot Dixie Chick?

She last worked on 9/2 so I'm guessing the answer is no.

NT

[Travis Stone]

She last worked on 9/2 so I'm guessing the answer is no.

NT

Can't bring one and not the other...

[Monarchos1]

The Jackson camp is already on record as stating that Hot Dixie Chick won't run in the BC. Catalano's filly, She Be Wild, is the one to beat.

[mbahadur]

Forever Together and Magical Fantasy in the Filly & Mare Turf.

Rail Trip and Tiago in the Classic.

Cocoa Beach, Life is Sweet, and Careless Jewel in the Ladies Classic.

Ferneley in the Mile.

Just as Well in the Turf.

Fatal Bullet in the Sprint (running Friday at Keeneland).

Pyro in the Dirt Mile.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Rail Trip is running in the Classic.

[Danzig]

There is going to be a match race in the BC Turf?? That's intriguing.

And Pyro is getting a walkover in the BC Poly Mile?? That's historic.


maybe that's why steve put (work in progress) in the title??

[SniperSB23]

And Pyro is getting a walkover in the BC Poly Mile?? That's historic.

Without someone to set the pace I'm not sure if he can win.

[jms62]

What is Pyros record on Syn?

[SniperSB23]

What is Pyros record on Syn?

I think he just had his dismal run in the Blue Grass.

[hockey2315]

I think he just had his dismal run in the Blue Grass.

Didn't he run in last year's mile as well?

[SniperSB23]

Didn't he run in last year's mile as well?

Looks like he did and finished 6th.

[robfla]

$1 million Sentient Jet Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Sprint

Ventura
Indian Blessing
Sara Louise
Seventh Street
Informed Decision
Carlsbad (Would need to supplement)
Evita Argentina


saw Carlsbad run in person. She is freaky fast.

[fantini33]

:tro: Without someone to set the pace I'm not sure if he can win.

[brockguy]

for those who want to check what the bookies over here are offering:

http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing/ante-post-racing/flat/

[jms62]

for those who want to check what the bookies over here are offering:

http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing/ante-post-racing/flat/
Can I lay the 14-1 on John Scott?

[hockey2315]

I'd book 25-1 on Pioneerof the Nile even if he wasn't already out to stud.

[RockHardTen1985]

I'd book 25-1 on Pioneerof the Nile even if he wasn't already out to stud.

I dont get it.
I remember earlier this year you told me POTN was the favorite for the Classic because of the surface.

[hockey2315]

I dont get it.
I remember earlier this year you told me PON was the favorite for the Classic because of the surface.

I think you're imagining things.

[RockHardTen1985]

I think you're imagining things.

I know it was you Brian... You told me " his Santa Anita Derby win was DEVESTATING"
You said Baffert would have him ready to fire a career best effort in the BCC.

[hockey2315]

I know it was you Brian... You told me " his Santa Anita Derby win was DEVESTATING"
You said Baffert would have him ready to fire a career best effort in the BCC.

Oh ya. . . right :rolleyes:

[RolloTomasi]

saw Carlsbad run in person. She is freaky fast.

I think the DRF mentioned a day or two ago that they are not pointing to the BC with that filly.

[mbahadur]

There is going to be a match race in the BC Turf?? That's intriguing.


Just as Well might be pointing to the Canadian International next weekend at Woodbine. If he runs there, he could wheel back in 3 weeks for the Breeders Cup Turf. Champs Elysees could also wheel back for a BC race (Classic or Turf) after running in the same race at Woodbine.

[mbahadur]

Steve Crist posted on his blog today, "If Cowboy Cal and Court Vision are now the leading American hopes for the Breeders' Cup Mile, the europeans should sleep well tonight."

He posted again after the Goodwood, "They're not only sleeping well in Europe tonight, they're probably laughing. Gitano Hernando had been considered a more serious candidate for the $500k Marathon than the $5 million Classic, but today's result may make his connections, and several others, take a longer look at the Classic. Students of time, however, will note that Zenyatta's winning time of 1:42.89 for 8.5f was sharply inferior to Gitano Hernando's 1:48.39 for 9f in the Goodwood 35 minutes earlier."

Look for the Europeans to be overflowing the entry box, which should make some of the races more difficult to handicap and less attractive for American bettors.

[hockey2315]

Why? Because of Crist's comments?

All the Euros already realize how soft the BC races will be this year and plenty of them have been pointing here since last year's successful invasion.

The races become far more intriguing as an American bettor with the Euros in partially because if you do your homework you'll have a huge edge on those you'll be sharing the pools with and subsequently because those who can't handicap Euro form will rely on the mostly weaker American contingent and skew the odds accordingly.

[CSC]

Forever Together seems to have lost a step this year.

[RockHardTen1985]

[QUOTE=mbahadur]Steve Crist posted on his blog today, "If Cowboy Cal and Court Vision are now the leading American hopes for the Breeders' Cup Mile, the europeans should sleep well tonight."

He posted again after the Goodwood, "They're not only sleeping well in Europe tonight, they're probably laughing. Gitano Hernando had been considered a more serious candidate for the $500k Marathon than the $5 million Classic, but today's result may make his connections, and several others, take a longer look at the Classic. Students of time, however, will note that Zenyatta's winning time of 1:42.89 for 8.5f was sharply inferior to Gitano Hernando's 1:48.39 for 9f in the Goodwood 35 minutes earlier."



If Goldakova is the heavy choice in the mile, I will have no problem at all trying to beat her with CC and CV.

[my miss storm cat]

$2 million TVG Breeders' Cup Mile

Goldikova
Court Vision
Justenuffhumor
Mr. Sidney
Ferneley

You can add Zacinto.... he's skipping the Champion Stakes and coming here instead.

[jballscalls]

i love that Steve calls it the Distaff still instead of Ladies Classic

[mbahadur]

Informed Decision seems like a near certainty to run in the filly sprint.

Looked mighty impressive at Keeneland yesterday. Ventura and Indian Blessing will take a lot of money in the F&M Sprint, which should provide a better price for Informed Decision (who beat Ventura the only time they faced each other).

[RockHardTen1985]

Looked mighty impressive at Keeneland yesterday. Ventura and Indian Blessing will take a lot of money in the F&M Sprint, which should provide a better price for Informed Decision (who beat Ventura the only time they faced each other).
There is no possible way that Informed Decision is a higher price then Indian Blessing on that surface.... Informed Decision and Ventura will be the choices and if you like Indian Blessing you might get a little bit of a price.

[Kasept]

$5 million Breeders' Cup Classic

Summer Bird (Ice)
Gio Ponti (Clement)
Rip Van Winkle (O'Brien)
Mastercraftsman (O'Brien)
Mine That Bird (Woolley)
Einstein (Pitts-Blasi)
Colonel John (Harty)
Richard's Kid (Baffert)
Zenyatta (Shirreffs) **
Quality Road (Pletcher)
Gitano Hernando [Questionable] (Botti)


$3 million Emirates Airline Breeders' Cup Turf

Conduit [Questionable/Doubtful] (Stoute)
Spanish Moon (Stoute)
Just as Well (Sheppard)
Dar Re Mi (Gosden)
Precious Passion (Hartman)
Telling (Hobby)
Times Gone By (Mandella)
Spring House *Canani)
Skyrush (Vienna )


$2 million Breeders' Cup Distaff

Zenyatta (Shirreffs) **
Mushka (Mott)
Proviso (Frankel)
Music Note (bin Suroor)
Cocoa Beach (bin Suroor)
Life is Sweet (Shirreffs)
Careless Jewel (J. Carroll)
Rainbow View (Gosden)
Miss Isella (Wilkes)


$2 million TVG Breeders' Cup Mile

Battle of Hastings (Mullins)
Colonel John (Harty)
Courageous Cat (Mott)
Court Vision (Dutrow)
Cowboy Cal (Pletcher)
Delegator (Meehan)
Famous Name (Weld)
Ferneley (Cecil)
Ghanaati (Hills)
Global Hunter (Avila)
Goldikova (Head)
Karelian (Arnold)
Jungle Wave (Attard)
Justenuffhumor (McLaughlin)
Lord Shanakill (Jarvis)
Mastercraftsman (O'Brien)
Mr. Sidney (Mott)
Rendezvous (Hollendorfer)
Skyrush (Vienna )
Sterwins (Pierce)
Sweet Hearth (de Royer-Dupre)
Veranar (de Royer-Dupre)
Whatsthescript (Sadler)
Zacinto (Stoute)


$2 million Sentient Jet Breeders' Cup Sprint

Zensational (Baffert)
Fatal Bullet (Baker)
Capt. Candyman Can (Wilkes)
Kodiak Kowboy (Asmussen)
Gayego (bin Suroor)
Cost of Freedom (Sadler)
Square Eddie (O'Neill)
Riley Tucker (Baffert)



$2 million Emirates Airline Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Turf

Midday (Cecil)
Pure Clan (Holthus)
Magical Fantasy (Gallagher)
Look Here (Beckett)
Gozzip Girl (Albertrani)
Shalanaya
Dar Re Mi (Gosden)
Forever Together (Sheppard)
Ghanaati (Hills)
Diamondrella (Penna) **
Criticism (Albertrani)
Rutherriene (Clement)



$2 million Grey Goose Breeders' Cup Juvenile

Noble's Promise (McPeek)
Aikenite (Pletcher)
Lookin at Lucky (Baffert)
D' Funnybone (R. Dutrow)
Connemara
Citrus Kid (Contessa)
Bear Tough Guy (Baker)
Backtalk (Amoss)
Dublin (Lukas)
Pulsion (Biancone)
Gallant Gent (C. Lewis)
Aspire (Kenneally)


$2 million Grey Goose Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies

Negligee (Terranova)
She Be Wild (Catalano)
Blind Luck (Hollendorfer)
Beautician (McPeek)
Always a Princess (Baffert)
Bickersons (Breen)
Amen Hallelujah (R. Dutrow)
Devil May Care (Pletcher)
Biofuel (Baker)


$1 million Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile

Pyro (bin Suroor)
Mr. Sidney (Mott) **
Crown of Thorns (Mandella)
Monzante (Mitchell)
Quality Road (Pletcher)
Girolamo (bin Suroor)
Midshipman (bin Suroor)
Tizway (Bond)
Burley's Gold (Dutrow)
Misremembered (Baffert)


$1 million Sentient Jet Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Sprint

Ventura (Frankel)
Indian Blessing (Baffert)
Sara Louise (bin Suroor)
Seventh Street (bin Suroor)
Informed Decision (Sheppard)
Evita Argentina (Sadler)
Diamondrella (Penna) **
Game Face (Pletcher)


$1 million Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf

Pounced (Gosden)
Bridgetown (McPeek)
Interactif (Pletcher)
Al Zir (bin Suroor)
Buzzword (bin Suroor)
Viscount Nelson (O'Brien)
Eskendereya (Pletcher)
Codoy (Hubley)


$1 million Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies Turf

Smart Seattle (Motion)
Whydah (Pletcher)
Bay to Bay (Lynch) [Would need to supplement]
Termagant (?)
Hibaayeb (Brittain)
House of Grace (McPeek)
Tapitsfly (Romans)
You'll Be Mine (O'Brien)
Jungletale (Asmussen)


$1 million Breeders' Cup Turf Sprint

California Flag (Koriner)
Desert Code (Hofmans)
Fleeting Spirit (Noseda)
True to Tradition (Lake)
Diamondrella (Penna) **
Silver Timber (C. Brown)
Mr. Nightlinger (Calhoun)
Cabnnonball (Ward)
Noble Court (Sadler)
Chamberlain Bridge (Calhoun)


$500,000 Breeders' Cup Marathon

Rising Moon (R. Dutrow)
Nite Light (Pletcher)
Muhannak (?)
Septimus *O'Brien)
Schiaparelli (bin Suroor)
Mastery (bin Suroor)
Father Time (Cecil)
Askat Tau (Tregoing)
Geordieland (Osbourne)

[CSC]

I love the other Stoute horse in the turf if Conduit is doubtful.

[Gander]

Thanks Steve. This is getting very interesting as we get closer to the big day.

One question, have you heard that Hero's Reward (not on your list) is not going to run in the BC Turf Sprint? He is entered in Saturday's prep race in Canada along with Chamberlain Bridge, who I noticed you have on this list. I remember Hero's Reward had trouble in last year's BC race (down the hill) but was prominent in the stretch.

[my miss storm cat]

Geordieland out of the Marathon... Gladiatorus to the MIle.

[Scav]

Great job Steve.....Looking forward to the pre-entries on the 26th

[lemoncrush]

$5 million Breeders' Cup Classic



$2 million Sentient Jet Breeders' Cup Sprint

Zensational (Baffert)
Fatal Bullet (Baker)
Capt. Candyman Can (Wilkes)
Kodiak Kowboy (Asmussen)
Gayego (bin Suroor)
Cost of Freedom (Sadler)
Square Eddie (O'Neill)
Riley Tucker (Baffert)

.


And with Kodiak Kowboy questionable, this is the worst sprint field in years. I think Midnight Lute could come out of retirement tomorrow and easily beat this field.

[Kasept]

LOOKIN AT LUCKY, ZENSATIONAL IN FAST PREPS FOR BREEDERS’ CUP

Lookin At Lucky and Zensational, favorites for their respective Breeders’ Cup races, worked with alacrity typical of Bob Baffert runners Thursday morning, recording bullet drills under former jockey Joe Steiner on Santa Anita’s Pro-Ride main track.

Lookin At Lucky, an unbeaten 2-year-old son of Smart Strike prepping for the $2 million Grey Goose Juvenile at 1 1/16 miles at Oak Tree, went four furlongs in :46 seconds flat, in company with the filly Always a Princess, who was given :46.60.

Zensational, winner of three straight Grade I sprints, went six furlongs in 1:10.60, handily from the gate, in company with El Martillo, who was clocked in 1:11.80, also handily from the gate. In Zensational’s last nine published workouts dating back to July 22, seven have been of the bullet variety, the fastest at the distance. The 3-year-old son of Unbridled’s Song is working towards the $2 million Sentient Jet Sprint at six furlongs.

The Juvenile and the Sprint are on Nov. 7. They are two of 14 World Championships events worth $25.5 million, six on Friday, Nov. 6, and eight on Saturday, Nov. 7.

“The horses are right on schedule,” said Baffert, Oak Tree’s leader through 12 days with 10 wins from 32 starters, an average of 31 percent. He also has six seconds and three thirds, with purse earnings of $596,016.

“I worked Zensational from the gate because he drew the one hole twice down at Del Mar and want to make sure he’s comfortable,” Baffert said. “He flew out of there and cruised around the backside. I just wanted to wake him up.”


In other Breeders’ Cup news:

Belmont Stakes winner Summer Bird had an uneventful coast-to-coast trip in quest of victory in the $5 million Classic. The 3-year-old son of Birdstone, who defeated older horses in the Jockey Club Gold Cup at Belmont Park on Oct. 3, arrived at Santa Anita Monday, galloped one mile Thursday, and is scheduled to work five furlongs Saturday.

“He shipped great, and so far, he’s been great,” trainer Tim Ice said on a picturesque Thursday morning filled with blue skies and sunshine. “It was about a six-hour flight, and he took the trip well. It didn’t take anything out of him. He ate up all his feed the night he got in and hasn’t been off of it since, so everything looks good.”

This is Summer Bird’s first extensive experience on a synthetic surface, but Ice has few, if any, qualms. “He seemed to handle the track fine,” Ice said. “He’s run every race on dirt, but he was out here from last October until I got him in January. He has nine workouts over this track as a 2-year-old, so it’s not totally new to him, but he’s never run on a synthetic.”

Defending Breeders’ Cup Turf Sprint champion Desert Code worked three furlongs on Pro-Ride Thursday in :35.40. “He went nice and easy,” trainer David Hofmans said. “He’ll work five-eighths or three-quarters on the grass Wednesday with (Richard) Migliore.”

Kentucky Derby winner Mine That Bird galloped his customary two miles Thursday.

[RockHardTen1985]

LOOKIN AT LUCKY, ZENSATIONAL IN FAST PREPS FOR BREEDERS’ CUP

Lookin At Lucky and Zensational, favorites for their respective Breeders’ Cup races, worked with alacrity typical of Bob Baffert runners Thursday morning, recording bullet drills under former jockey Joe Steiner on Santa Anita’s Pro-Ride main track.



Will these 2 Bafferts be the 2 shortest prices on Saturday?

[Gander]

Will these 2 Bafferts be the 2 shortest prices on Saturday?

On Saturday, most likely yes. I guess Zenyatta runs Friday? I think she will be the lowest of the cup, even with Music Note & Careless Jewel in there.

What do you think the price of California Flag will be?

[Scav]

On Saturday, most likely yes. I guess Zenyatta runs Friday? I think she will be the lowest of the cup, even with Music Note & Careless Jewel in there.

What do you think the price of California Flag will be?

Hopefully low....

And I think you are wrong about Zenyatta on Friday....I would say with 75% certainity they are going to the Classic

[RockHardTen1985]

Hopefully low....

And I think you are wrong about Zenyatta on Friday....I would say with 75% certainity they are going to the Classic


I hope your right.

[Scav]

[QUOTE=Scav]Hopefully low....

And I think you are wrong about Zenyatta on Friday....I would say with 75% certainity they are going to the Classic[/QUOTE


I hope your right.

I learned a very hard lesson last year at Santa Anita with that turf sprint. Saving $8 cost me a 6200$ hit on the early P4 because I used all but two horses in the Turf Sprint.

Fact is that horses like Chamberline Bridge, Mr. Nightlinger, and Calfornia Flag have absolutely no shot in a race like this given the pace scenario. I will be betting any horses that have shown some stamina at 7f or greater, and/or mile race success

[Kasept]

If you missed it, suggest review of Crist's '08 prep angle analysis...
http://cristblog.drf.com/crist/2009/10/a-map-of-the-world.html

[Scav]

Steve,

Burley's Gold doesn't look possible for the Dirt Mile as he is going in a race on the 21st at Aqueduct.

If Giralomo, Pyro, and Midshipman ALL run in the Dirt Mile, will they be coupled or no? Not sure of the coupling rules in California

[GPK]

$1 million Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile

Pyro (bin Suroor)
Mr. Sidney (Mott) **
Crown of Thorns (Mandella)
Monzante (Mitchell)
Quality Road (Pletcher)
Girolamo (bin Suroor)
Midshipman (bin Suroor)
Tizway (Bond)
Burley's Gold (Dutrow)
Misremembered (Baffert)


Love this guy:tro:

[brockguy]

Twice Over to the classic possibly!!

[RockHardTen1985]

$1 million Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile

Pyro (bin Suroor)
Mr. Sidney (Mott) **
Crown of Thorns (Mandella)
Monzante (Mitchell)
Quality Road (Pletcher)
Girolamo (bin Suroor)
Midshipman (bin Suroor)
Tizway (Bond)
Burley's Gold (Dutrow)
Misremembered (Baffert)


Love this guy:tro:

This field should be the heavy hitters in the Classic division next year....

From Quality Road down are all really good and I have herd nothing about retirment for any of them

[my miss storm cat]

$2 million TVG Breeders' Cup Mile
Famous Name (Weld)

... to the Dirt Mile, according to TimesOnline.

[VOL JACK]

Steve, You need to add Furthest Land to the Poly Mile.

[Kasept]

Thanks all for the feeds... We'll keep adjusting through the 28th when we get pre-entries.

[Kasept]

Other new additions besides Furthest Land & Twice Over include BEETHOVEN (Juvy or Juvy Turf), ALFRED NOBEL (Juvenile) and MAMBO MEISTER (Dirt Mile).

[Kasept]

WILLIAM HILLS LATEST ANTE POST PRICES

NEW MARKETS

Breeders’ Cup Juvenile: 2-1 Lookin At Lucky, 4-1 D'Funnybone, 8-1 Dave In Dixie, Homeboykris, Pulsion, 10-1 Noble's Promise, 12-1 Aikenite, Dublin, 14-1 Aspire, Gallant Gent, Western Smoke, 16-1 Smiling Tiger, 20-1Make Music For Me, Backtalk, (EW 1/4 1,2,3)

Breeders’ Cup Juvenile Fillies’: 9-2 Blind Luck, 5-1 Hot Dixie Chick, Mi Sueno, 7-1 Awesome Maria, She Be Wild, 8-1 Negligee, 10-1 Beautician, Devil May Care, 12-1 Always a Princess, Jealous Again, 14-1 Amen Hallelujah, La Nez, 16-1 Midst, Pure Class, Softly Singing, Worship the Moon, 20-1 Bickersons, Biofuel, Touching Beauty (EW 1/4 1,2,3)


MARKET MOVERS


HOT

Breeders’ Cup Turf: Presious Passion 7-1 from 8-1

Breeders’ Cup Filly & Mare: Lahaleeb 12-1 (inserted), Pure Clan 12-1 from 16-1, Criticism 25-1 from 33-1

Breeders’ Cup Mile: Gladiatorus 10-1 (inserted)

Breeders’ Cup Turf Sprint: Field Commision 7-1 (inserted), Gotta Have Her 8-1 (inserted)

Breeders’ Cup Sprint: Gayego 6-1 from 8-1, Not for Silver 20-1 from 33-1

Breeders’ Cup Dirt Mile: Quality Road 5-1 (inserted – new fav), Midshipman 8-1 (inserted), Girolimo 14-1 (inserted)


COLD

Breeders’ Cup Filly & Mare: Moneycan’tbuymelove 20-1 from 12-1

[RockHardTen1985]

WILLIAM HILLS LATEST ANTE POST PRICES

NEW MARKETS

Breeders’ Cup Juvenile: 2-1 Lookin At Lucky, 4-1 D'Funnybone, 8-1 Dave In Dixie, Homeboykris, Pulsion, 10-1 Noble's Promise, 12-1 Aikenite, Dublin, 14-1 Aspire, Gallant Gent, Western Smoke, 16-1 Smiling Tiger, 20-1Make Music For Me, Backtalk, (EW 1/4 1,2,3)

Breeders’ Cup Juvenile Fillies’: 9-2 Blind Luck, 5-1 Hot Dixie Chick, Mi Sueno, 7-1 Awesome Maria, She Be Wild, 8-1 Negligee, 10-1 Beautician, Devil May Care, 12-1 Always a Princess, Jealous Again, 14-1 Amen Hallelujah, La Nez, 16-1 Midst, Pure Class, Softly Singing, Worship the Moon, 20-1 Bickersons, Biofuel, Touching Beauty (EW 1/4 1,2,3)


MARKET MOVERS


HOT

Breeders’ Cup Turf: Presious Passion 7-1 from 8-1

Breeders’ Cup Filly & Mare: Lahaleeb 12-1 (inserted), Pure Clan 12-1 from 16-1, Criticism 25-1 from 33-1

Breeders’ Cup Mile: Gladiatorus 10-1 (inserted)

Breeders’ Cup Turf Sprint: Field Commision 7-1 (inserted), Gotta Have Her 8-1 (inserted)

Breeders’ Cup Sprint: Gayego 6-1 from 8-1, Not for Silver 20-1 from 33-1

Breeders’ Cup Dirt Mile: Quality Road 5-1 (inserted – new fav), Midshipman 8-1 (inserted), Girolimo 14-1 (inserted)


COLD

Breeders’ Cup Filly & Mare: Moneycan’tbuymelove 20-1 from 12-1


Gotta Have Her would be an overlay at 8-1 IMO. Shes really talented and has the right running style and experience over the course.

[brockguy]

Gladiatorus could be a big play in the mile as I can see him being sent off at 16-1+ especially if Goldi, Zacinto and Delagator show up..

[my miss storm cat]

$2 million TVG Breeders' Cup Mile

Ghanaati (Hills)

She was retired today...

[King Glorious]

Gladiatorus could be a big play in the mile as I can see him being sent off at 16-1+ especially if Goldi, Zacinto and Delagator show up..

DO NOT WASTE A PENNY ON THAT HORSE!!!!!

[brockguy]

DO NOT WASTE A PENNY ON THAT HORSE!!!!!

nah, i think he can get back to his top form from Dubai which would be enough to beat anyone bar Goldi.. track, ground will favour him, he'll be suited by first time meds, at a big price he could be worth a shot..

[philcski]

Other new additions besides Furthest Land & Twice Over include BEETHOVEN (Juvy or Juvy Turf), ALFRED NOBEL (Juvenile) and MAMBO MEISTER (Dirt Mile).

BEETHOVEN (Juvy or Juvy Turf)
Turning back the clock? :D

Perhaps the Jockey Clubs of America and Europe should get together to avoid such name confusions.

[my miss storm cat]

Red Rocks is possible for the Turf (... which would be his swansong).

[Scav]

http://www.breederscup360.com/docs/bcpossibles.pdf

[mbahadur]

Just as Well might be pointing to the Canadian International next weekend at Woodbine. If he runs there, he could wheel back in 3 weeks for the Breeders Cup Turf.

Just as Well is done for the year per DRF Woodbine track report article yesterday.

[Kasept]

Red Rocks a GO for Turf... Lahaleeb a NO for F&M Turf:
http://www.ntra.com/content.aspx?type=news&id=42553



And note trainer Michael Channon's comments:

Although Lahaleeb earned a guaranteed spot in the Filly and Mare Turf through her E.P. Taylor victory, Channon expressed skepticism about the Breeders' Cup Win and You're In program, noting the prohibitive fees for horses not nominated to the Cup.

"In that sense," he said, "Win and You're In is a bit misleading."

[my miss storm cat]

Rainbow View possible for the F/M Turf...

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/f-m-turf-rainbow-view-waits-for-decision-in-canada/645176/breederscup/

[CSC]

Rainbow View possible for the F/M Turf...

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/f-m-turf-rainbow-view-waits-for-decision-in-canada/645176/breederscup/

I would take her before Lahaleeb.

[RockHardTen1985]

I would take her before Lahaleeb.


I herd/read Ladies Classic and the trainer is not worried about Zenyatta, he thinks his horse would love the surface and win the race.

[Kasept]

Can anyone read? Lahaleeb is NOT COMING... Look three or four posts above.

Lahaleeb is likely to travel to Sha Tin for the Hong Kong Cup on Dec. 13. That 1 1/4-mile race has free nominations. Moreover, the Hong Kong Jockey Club picks up the housing and transportation costs of all invited horses and their connections.Instead, Lahaleeb is likely to travel to Sha Tin for the Hong Kong Cup on Dec. 13.

[Scav]

Can anyone read? Lahaleeb is NOT COMING... Look three or four posts above.

:)

[Kasept]

BAFFERT RUNNERS FIRE BULLETS FOR BREEDERS’ CUP

Four of Bob Baffert’s prime Breeders’ Cup contenders moved a step closer to their engagements at Oak Tree on Nov. 6 and 7 with sharp workouts over Santa Anita’s Pro-Ride surface Wednesday morning.

Zensational, favored for $2 million Sentient Jet Sprint at six furlongs on Nov. 7, worked five furlongs in a blistering :57.80, fastest of 18 drills at the distance and nearly three seconds quicker than the next-best recorded workout, which was 1:00.60 by the Ron McAnally-trained Bonfonte.

The unbeaten 2-year-old colt Lookin At Lucky worked six furlongs in company with promising 2-year-old filly Always a Princess. Norfolk Stakes winner Lookin At Lucky, on the outside of Always a Princess through the stretch, was clocked in a bullet 1:11.80, while Always a Princess, runner-up in the Oak Leaf Stakes, was given 1:12.60. Lookin At Lucky is favored for the $2 million Grey Goose Juvenile at 1 1/16 miles on Nov. 7, while Always a Princess is a major contender for the $2 million Grey Goose Juvenile Fillies at 1 1/16 miles on Nov. 6.

“They’re good work mates,” Baffert said in explaining his strategy. “They’re both the same quality, so they stay together.

“Zensational worked nice. That work the other day (six furlongs in company from the gate in 1:10.60 last Thursday) really caught him back up to speed. He hasn’t lost his form.”

Pacific Classic winner Richard’s Kid also worked a bullet, going four furlongs in :46 flat for the Classic.

[brockguy]

Septimus out of the Marathon - disappointed as he would have taken a fair bit of cash..
http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/septimus-out-of-breeders-cup-marathon/645385/breederscup/

[my miss storm cat]

$2 million TVG Breeders' Cup Mile

Sweet Hearth (de Royer-Dupre)

... to the F/M Sprint. :)

[Kasept]

Music Note ($2 million Ladies’ Classic on Nov. 6) worked five furlongs on Pro-Ride in 1:01.40. “She worked terrific,” said Richard Migliore, who was aboard for the drill. “She finished up really well.”


Lethal Heat (Ladies’ Classic/Turf Sprint) worked four furlongs on turf Wednesday in :49.60 for Barry Abrams, while defending Turf Sprint king Desert Code went six furlongs on grass in 1:13.40 for David Hofmans.


Champion filly Indian Blessing, aiming for the $1 million Sentient Jet Filly & Mare Sprint at seven furlongs on Nov. 6, worked five furlongs on Pro-Ride Monday in 1:00.20 for Baffert.


Mike Smith, who has ridden undefeated Zenyatta in each of her 13 victories, appeared as much in the dark as everyone else on whether the champion mare will make her next start in the Ladies’ Classic or face males for the first time in the Breeders’ Cup Classic. “I haven’t talked to John (trainer John Shirreffs) about it, to tell you the truth,” the Hall of Fame rider said. “I don’t know what he plans to do. He has plenty of time. He’ll probably see who’s running where and go from there.”

[VOL JACK]

BAFFERT RUNNERS FIRE BULLETS FOR BREEDERS’ CUP

Four of Bob Baffert’s prime Breeders’ Cup contenders moved a step closer to their engagements at Oak Tree on Nov. 6 and 7 with sharp workouts over Santa Anita’s Pro-Ride surface Wednesday morning.

Zensational, favored for $2 million Sentient Jet Sprint at six furlongs on Nov. 7, worked five furlongs in a blistering :57.80, fastest of 18 drills at the distance and nearly three seconds quicker than the next-best recorded workout, which was 1:00.60 by the Ron McAnally-trained Bonfonte.

The unbeaten 2-year-old colt Lookin At Lucky worked six furlongs in company with promising 2-year-old filly Always a Princess. Norfolk Stakes winner Lookin At Lucky, on the outside of Always a Princess through the stretch, was clocked in a bullet 1:11.80, while Always a Princess, runner-up in the Oak Leaf Stakes, was given 1:12.60. Lookin At Lucky is favored for the $2 million Grey Goose Juvenile at 1 1/16 miles on Nov. 7, while Always a Princess is a major contender for the $2 million Grey Goose Juvenile Fillies at 1 1/16 miles on Nov. 6.

“They’re good work mates,” Baffert said in explaining his strategy. “They’re both the same quality, so they stay together.

“Zensational worked nice. That work the other day (six furlongs in company from the gate in 1:10.60 last Thursday) really caught him back up to speed. He hasn’t lost his form.”

Pacific Classic winner Richard’s Kid also worked a bullet, going four furlongs in :46 flat for the Classic.

Assmussen's horses never break the 102 mark for 5f..and yet both are top trainers.:confused:

[my miss storm cat]

Fleeting Spirit and Strike the Deal to the Sprint...

http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/09/10/22/manual_142741.html

Only Green, F/M Sprint...

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/f-m-sprint-goldikova-pacemaker-only-green-set-for-run/645554/breederscup/

[randallscott35]

Can't wait for BigZ to be up the track in the sprint.

[my miss storm cat]

$2 million Emirates Airline Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Turf

Look Here (Beckett)

Retired today.

Radiohead to the Juvy...

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/radiohead-sold-and-bound-for-breeders-cup/645709/breederscup/

Junia Tepzia to the Juvy Fillies Turf...

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/k-fallon-juv-fil-turf-fallon-to-ride-german-hope-junia-tepzia/645654/breederscup/

[Kasept]

Radiohead to the Juvy...

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/radiohead-sold-and-bound-for-breeders-cup/645709/breederscup/


Junia Tepzia to the Juvy Fillies Turf...

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/k-fallon-juv-fil-turf-fallon-to-ride-german-hope-junia-tepzia/645654/breederscup/
Barry Irwin 'warned' about Junia Tepzia on ATR a couple weeks ago, but he also raved about the filly that flopped at Calder Saturday too...

Radiohead will be festooned in the IEAH silks... Currently with Brian Meehan, IEAH said they haven't decided who he will go to after the BC... (Uh huh. Sure they haven't...)

[alphanumeric1]

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tpP6-2Rt6KzSp9I7VYp9z5Q&single=true&gid=0&output=html

[philcski]

Barry Irwin 'warned' about Junia Tepzia on ATR a couple weeks ago, but he also raved about the filly that flopped at Calder Saturday too...

Radiohead will be festooned in the IEAH silks... Currently with Brian Meehan, IEAH said they haven't decided who he will go to after the BC... (Uh huh. Sure they haven't...)

LOL

And I won't bet a dime on it even though I'm going. :rolleyes:

Side note, is there anyone who's easier to dislike than Irwin between his ridiculous partnership charges and long line of failed touts?

[Sightseek]

Bullsbay is likely a go.

[Kasept]

In other Breeders’ Cup news:


Unbeaten champion mare Zenyatta galloped at her Hollywood Park headquarters Thursday, and probably will breeze “in the next couple days,” John Shirreffs said. The trainer plans to pre-enter Zenyatta in the Classic and the Ladies’ Classic at 1 1/8 miles on Nov. 6.


Richard Migliore is scheduled to work Godolphin’s Sara Louise on Friday for the $1 million Sentient Jet Filly & Mare Sprint at seven furlongs on Nov. 6.


Richard Mandella plans to pre-enter Crown of Thorns in both the $1 million Dirt Mile and the $2 million Sentient Jet Sprint at six furlongs on Nov. 7, with his preference being the Dirt Mile.


Dan Ward, assistant to Jerry Hollendorfer, said Oak Leaf Stakes winner Blind Luck ($2 million Grey Goose Juvenile Fillies at 1 1/16 miles on Nov. 6) and Chocolate Candy (Dirt Mile) probably will work Sunday, at a distance to be determined.

[Alan07]

-Awesome Gem will run in the B.C. Classic
-Kodiak Kowboy expected for the B.C. Sprint
-QEII Winner Hot Cha Cha is still uncertain for the B.C. Ladies Turf
-No Breeders Cup for Jeff Mullins’ Carlsbad or Battle of Hastings
-Kiaran McLaughlin hopes Hatheer has done enough to have earned a spot in the B.C. Juv. Filly Turf. A division that is chaos because of all of the rain this fall.

[Kasept]

KIEREN FALLON will have his first high profile ride for former boss Sir Michael Stoute since his return from an 18-month riding ban when he partners Spanish Moon in the Breeders' Cup Turf at Santa Anita on November 6. Fallon has ridden for Stoute since his return and enjoyed his first Grade 1 success since his comeback when partnering the Marco Botti-trained Gitano Hernando to victory in the Goodwood Stakes at Santa Anita a fortnight ago.

SAEED BIN SUROOR has issued an upbeat bulletin on Delegator and Mastery as they continue their preparation for the Breeders' Cup at Santa Anita next month. Delegator is an intended starter in the Breeders' Cup Mile, along with stablemate Gladiatorus, and is back working well after disappointing in the Sony-sponsored Queen Elizabeth II Stakes. "He worked very well a few days ago and came back very good from his last race," Bin Suroor said on At The Races. "I thought he'd be winning [the Queen Elizabeth II Stakes] or coming somewhere close. "He's always healthy and very honest and I think the track [at Santa Anita] will really suit him."

Yesterday's Workouts:

Amen Hallelujah Juvenile Fillies Aqueduct Four Furlongs 49:38
Awesome Gem Classic Hollywood Park Five Furlongs 1.01:60
Bickersons Juvenile Turf Oak Tree At Santa Anita Five Furlongs 59:40
Biofuel Juvenile Fillies/Juvenile Fillies Turf Woodbine Five Furlongs 1.02:00
Courageous Cat Mile/Turf Belmont Park Four Furlongs 48:88
Court Vision *Mile Aqueduct Four Furlongs 49:63
Devil May Care *Juvenile Fillies Belmont Park Four Furlongs 50:46
Eaton's Gift *Sprint Belmont Park Five Furlongs 1.02:40
Global Hunter (ARG) Mile/Turf Oak Tree At Santa Anita Four Furlongs 49:40
Kays and Jays F&M Sprint Hollywood Park Five Furlongs 1.01:40
Negligee *Juvenile Fillies Belmont Park Four Furlongs 47:44
Nite Light *Marathon/Classic Belmont Park Five Furlongs 1.01:84
Seventh Street Ladies Classic Oak Tree At Santa Anita Five Furlongs 1.01:60
Zenyatta *Ladies Classic/Classic Hollywood Park Six Furlongs 1.11:20

[Kasept]

Quantum Racing Team #1 LLC’s 4-year-old gelding Mambo Meister was very impressive winning the $100,000 Spend a Buck Handicap (G3) at Calder Race Course last Saturday by 3 ¾ lengths for trainer Phil Gleaves, and the Florida-bred is likely bound for California and a start in the $1 million Breeders’ Cup Dirt Mile (G1) at Santa Anita on Sat., Nov. 7.

“We’ve made arrangements for a cargo flight on the (Sat., Oct.) 31st to get him there,” said Gleaves Friday morning. “We’ve had several discussions with the racing manager of the syndicate, Chris Pallas, and the eight owners and looked at the probable field, and basically decided to give him a chance.

“He’s done very well this week, but we’ll have one more conference call on Sunday before going ahead and making the pre-entry fee on Monday (Oct. 26),” said the veteran horseman who has run two horses previously in Breeders’ Cup events, both in the Juvenile. Happy Jazz Band finished fourth behind Fly So Free in the 1990 renewal at Belmont Park and Devil On Ice 10th in 1991 at Churchill Downs.

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Mambo Meister may be the only horse based at Calder headed for the Breeders’ Cup this year, although there are strong connections to the Miami track from a number of other major contenders, most notably 2-year-olds that launched their careers here earlier this season before being sold privately.

Paul Pompa, Jr.s’ 2-year-old colt D’Funnybone made his first two starts here for trainer Joe Calascibetta, winning his debut on May 23 and finishing second to Jackson Bend in the $100,000 Frank Gomez Memorial on July 11 before being sold shortly thereafter and sent to trainer Rick Dutrow in New York.
A Florida-bred son of D’wildcat, D’Funnybone has since won the Saratoga Special (G2) on Aug. 20 by 10 ½ lengths and The Futurity (G2) at Belmont Park on Sept. 19 by 4 ¾ lengths. He is listed as a probable starter in the $2 million Breeders’ Cup Juvenile (G1) on Nov. 7.

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Already in California after beginning her career at Calder is Kentucky-bred filly Blind Luck, a daughter of Pollard’s Vision that won her career debut here on June 21 by 13 ¼ lengths for trainer Jim Hatchett. She was purchased shortly thereafter by trainer Jerry Hollendorfer and partners.

In three starts this summer since the purchase, Blind Luck won a starter/allowance at Del Mar in late July, finished a game second in the Del Mar Debutante (G1) in early September and drew off to win the Oak Leaf Stakes (G1) at Santa Anita on Oct. 4, a performance could lead her to be the favorite in the $2 million Breeders’ Cup Juvenile Fillies (G1) on Fri., Nov. 6.

[dpkovalesky]

tvg is saying Indian blessing is out of the F/M Sprint.

[Danzig]

tvg is saying Indian blessing is out of the F/M Sprint.

from drf:

Two-time champion Indian Blessing will not be pre-entered on Monday for the $1 million Breeders' Cup Filly and Mare Sprint at Santa Anita on Nov. 6, trainer Bob Baffert said on Sunday.

Baffert was unhappy with Indian Blessing's six-furlong workout in 1:12.80 on Santa Anita's Pro-Ride surface Sunday morning.

"I think I'm going to pass," he said. "She just doesn't like the track. What can you do? She looks good. It's frustrating.

"I'm not going to pre-enter because I don't want the temptation to change my mind."

[mbahadur]

from drf:

Two-time champion Indian Blessing will not be pre-entered on Monday for the $1 million Breeders' Cup Filly and Mare Sprint at Santa Anita on Nov. 6, trainer Bob Baffert said on Sunday.

Baffert was unhappy with Indian Blessing's six-furlong workout in 1:12.80 on Santa Anita's Pro-Ride surface Sunday morning.

"I think I'm going to pass," he said. "She just doesn't like the track. What can you do? She looks good. It's frustrating.

"I'm not going to pre-enter because I don't want the temptation to change my mind."

Where else can he run her? Wait for Hollywood (which is also synthetic), wait and ship her to Gulfstream (where she would probably do well), or retire her. Dubai is switching over to synthetic, so I assume that is out.

As a fan, I would like to see her race one more time and go out with a win before being bred.

Her defection lowers the odds on Informed Decision, who I really like.

[Danzig]

Where else can he run her? Wait for Hollywood (which is also synthetic), wait and ship her to Gulfstream (where she would probably do well), or retire her. Dubai is switching over to synthetic, so I assume that is out.

As a fan, I would like to see her race one more time and go out with a win before being bred.

Her defection lowers the odds on Informed Decision, who I really like.


she may not run again from what he said, since they intend to breed her next spring. but she won't be running at the bc.

[cakes44]

she may not run again from what he said, since they intend to breed her next spring. but she won't be running at the bc.

Cigar Mile? Why not give it a shot?

[Danzig]

Cigar Mile? Why not give it a shot?
maybe they will. who knows?

[RockHardTen1985]

Cigar Mile? Why not give it a shot?

I have always thought she would be a very good miler. Early in her career she would not rate, now she does and IMO would be a decent miler. If Baffert pointed her to the Cigar and she was doing well I think I would take a stab on her regardless of who was running

[Kasept]

Pyro drilled a half mile in 48.80 Sunday in preparation for the B.C. Dirt Mile.

Rainbow Quest jogged on Santa Anita’s Pro-Ride track Saturday. Europe’s 2008 champion 2-year-old filly trained by John Gosden is pointing to the $2 million Filly & Mare Turf at 1 1/4 miles on Nov. 6.

Other Breeders’ Cup race candidates on the work tabs Sunday included Presious Passion (Turf), a mile in 1:39.80, Girolamo (Dirt Mile), five furlongs in 1:00.20, and Gayego (Sprint), half-mile in :51.20, all on Santa Anita’s main track.

Santa Anita turf workouts included Noble Court (Turf Sprint), six furlongs in 1:14.40, Becky’s Kitten (Juvenile Turf) in :58.40, and Cowboy Cal (Mile), half-mile in :48.40.

At Hollywood Park, Marsh Side (Turf), went three furlongs on the main track in :37.60…

[Kasept]

LEADING 3-YEAR-OLD ECLIPSE CANDIDATE SUMMER BIRD DRILLS FIVE FURLONGS; DESORMEAUX FLYS IN FROM NEW YORK FOR DRILL; TRAINER ICE “SUPER HAPPY”

Belmont, Travers and Jockey Club Gold Cup winner Summer Bird, the leading candidate for an Eclipse Award in the male 3-year-old division, worked five furlongs in 1:00.45 under regular rider Kent Desormeaux Sunday after Oak Tree’s second race. The chestnut son of Birdstone came on the main track at the head of the quarter mile chute, back-tracked to the half mile pole and then jogged and galloped through the stretch and around the Club House turn.

Desormeaux set him down to breeze approaching the five furlong pole and he guided him through splits of 24.42 and 48.56. Summer Bird galloped out six furlongs in 1:13.03 as he continues to prepare for the $5 million Breeders’ Cup Classic at 1 1/4 miles on Nov. 7.

“The work was great,” trainer Tim Ice said after Summer Bird’s drill. “This was exactly what we wanted. He looked super getting over the track and he’s been getting over it very well ever since we got here. Kent had a ton of horse under him and he just let him work on his own, within himself. I’m super-happy with how he’s trained here and how he’s handled everything. We’ll walk tomorrow and he’ll go back to the track Tuesday morning.”

Ice said that Summer Bird would have one more breeze prior to the Breeders’ Cup. “He’ll work five eighths next Saturday,” he said. Desormeaux, who experienced a 3-hour airport runway delay in New York, flew in earlier in the day for the work. With his son Jacob in tow, Desormeaux simply stated, “He enjoyed it and he galloped out super.”

[RolloTomasi]

Cigar Mile? Why not give it a shot?

I would expect a start in KY (where she'd be retiring to) in the Chilukki (a one-turn mile Grade 2 I think), if she runs again.

[Indian Charlie]

IB obviously hasn't been the same filly since going to Dubai. Hopefully they retire her.

All this talk about the BC was inevitable.

[Gander]

I have always thought she would be a very good miler. Early in her career she would not rate, now she does and IMO would be a decent miler. If Baffert pointed her to the Cigar and she was doing well I think I would take a stab on her regardless of who was running

I love Indian Blessing as a horse but unless the field came up very weak (highly unlikely) I wouldnt give her much of a chance. I think the chances are slim and none of Baffert even attempting such a race with her.

[Gander]

The Cigar Mile will be a very popular race for East Coast based sprinters and mid distance types this year, with the BC being out West on synthetics.

[RockHardTen1985]

I love Indian Blessing as a horse but unless the field came up very weak (highly unlikely) I wouldnt give her much of a chance. I think the chances are slim and none of Baffert even attempting such a race with her.

Listen I dont have pps but she never did anything wrong at 8-8.5 furlongs, she did get gunned down by Proud Spell who went on to become CHAMPION. Then they turned her into a sprinter. Her Acorn was really good, especially if Zatfig is as good as everyone on here thinks she was.

[Kasept]

SUNDAY'S CUP PROSPECT WORKOUTS

Beautician Juvenile Fillies Oak Tree At Santa Anita Five Furlongs 59:00
Black Astor Marathon Oak Tree At Santa Anita Six Furlongs 1.11:60
Blind Luck *Juvenile Fillies Oak Tree At Santa Anita Six Furlongs 1.11:80
Bridgetown *Juvenile Turf Oak Tree At Santa Anita Three Furlongs 36:00
Cocoa Beach (CHI) Ladies Classic Oak Tree At Santa Anita Four Furlongs 47:60
Evita Argentina F & M Sprint Oak Tree At Santa Anita Six Furlongs 1.12:60
Fatal Bullet *Sprint Oak Tree At Santa Anita Five Furlongs 58:80
Ferneley (IRE) *Mile Oak Tree At Santa Anita Six Furlongs 1.13:00
Gran Estreno (ARG) *Classic Keeneland Five Furlongs 1.02:00
Magical Fantasy *F & M Turf Oak Tree At Santa Anita Five Furlongs 1.01:20
Medici Code (GB) Turf Oak Tree At Santa Anita Five Furlongs 1.02:20
Misremembered Dirt Mile/Classic Oak Tree At Santa Anita Six Furlongs 1.11:80
Much Obliged F & M Turf Woodbine Four Furlongs 48:00 View Workouts
Proviso (GB) Ladies Classic Hollywood Park Four Furlongs 49:60
Pulsion Juvenile Oak Tree At Santa Anita Six Furlongs 1.15:40
Silver Timber Turf Sprint Keeneland Four Furlongs 48:60
Ventura *Mile Hollywood Park Six Furlongs 1.12:20

[Kasept]

McPEEK SHOVING CONNIE AND MICHAEL INTO BC JUVY FILLY PICTURE...

http://www.drf.com/news/article/108283.html

Already expected to have a chance to win the $2 million Juvenile Fillies with Beautician, trainer Ken McPeek hopes to increase his chances if he can get Connie and Michael into the race as well. Connie and Michael was an impressive 7 3/4-length maiden winner last Saturday at Keeneland, running seven furlongs in 1:22.74 while hardly being asked by Kent Desormeaux. She earned a Beyer Speed Figure of 95. She was the 5-2 favorite in a field of 12.

"She's trained like a good horse from the beginning," McPeek said. "She acts like she could be a good thing. I'm reluctant to run against myself, but it's probably the right thing to do. I think we got a good shot to win this with one or the other."

McPeek did say that Robby Albarado would ride Beautician in the Juvenile Fillies. Albarado guided Beautician to a maiden win at Churchill, while Desormeaux has ridden her in her last three starts. Desormeaux would ride Connie and Michael if she gets into the race.

[CSC]

[]LEADING 3-YEAR-OLD ECLIPSE CANDIDATE SUMMER BIRD DRILLS FIVE FURLONGS; DESORMEAUX FLYS IN FROM NEW YORK FOR DRILL; TRAINER ICE “SUPER HAPPY”

“The work was great,” trainer Tim Ice said after Summer Bird’s drill. “This was exactly what we wanted. He looked super getting over the track and he’s been getting over it very well ever since we got here. Kent had a ton of horse under him and he just let him work on his own, within himself. I’m super-happy with how he’s trained here and how he’s handled everything. We’ll walk tomorrow and he’ll go back to the track Tuesday morning.”
[/QUOTE]

This sounds very reminescent of what Ice said before the Belmont and the Travers. If he runs well he has more than made a strong case for HOY.

[NTamm1215]

[]LEADING 3-YEAR-OLD ECLIPSE CANDIDATE SUMMER BIRD DRILLS FIVE FURLONGS; DESORMEAUX FLYS IN FROM NEW YORK FOR DRILL; TRAINER ICE “SUPER HAPPY”

“The work was great,” trainer Tim Ice said after Summer Bird’s drill. “This was exactly what we wanted. He looked super getting over the track and he’s been getting over it very well ever since we got here. Kent had a ton of horse under him and he just let him work on his own, within himself. I’m super-happy with how he’s trained here and how he’s handled everything. We’ll walk tomorrow and he’ll go back to the track Tuesday morning.”


This sounds very reminescent of what Ice said before the Belmont and the Travers. If he runs well he should be HOY.[/QUOTE]

So now he doesn't even have to win to be HOY?

NT

[CSC]

This sounds very reminescent of what Ice said before the Belmont and the Travers. If he runs well he should be HOY.

So now he doesn't even have to win to be HOY?

NT[/QUOTE]

If he runs well and wins.

BTW Nick, on another note what is your general feeling of Rachel of not having run since the 1st week of Sept, you think that's going to hurt her if Summer Bird does win and runs well, that may be fresher in people's minds. Is this possible in your opinion?

[NTamm1215]

So now he doesn't even have to win to be HOY?

NT

If he runs well and wins.

BTW Nick, on another note what is your general feeling of Rachel of not having run since the 1st week of Sept, you think that's going to hurt her if Summer Bird does win and runs well, that may be fresher in people's minds. Is this possible in your opinion?[/QUOTE]

I think she's going to be very tough to beat in the HOY race. I knew that you probably meant SB needs to win.

I'm not the biggest Summer Bird fan around but I'd love to see him beat Zenyatta.

NT

[CSC]

If he runs well and wins.

BTW Nick, on another note what is your general feeling of Rachel of not having run since the 1st week of Sept, you think that's going to hurt her if Summer Bird does win and runs well, that may be fresher in people's minds. Is this possible in your opinion?

I think she's going to be very tough to beat in the HOY race. I knew that you probably meant SB needs to win.

I'm not the biggest Summer Bird fan around but I'd love to see him beat Zenyatta.

NT[/QUOTE]

I know people will look at my comments with a grain of salt since I made my bed with Summer Bird a long time ago but I admire more a horse that has run for the entire season (Mar - Nov) that is still banging out races and trying to earn the honor for HOY, there is just something commendable about that IMO. RA would be a deserving horse for HOY any year, but I find her connections stopping in the 1st week of Sept somewhat presumptious and they are taking somewhat of a leap if they think HOY is locked up. If they had decided to run in the JCGC I would say they would have more than deserved HOY if she would have won, but as it stands I think they left the door wide open for someone to step on through that door snatching HOY right under their noses by simply taking the position of competing against the best competition and by going all the way till the end of the season.

[Betsy]

Anyone know how Girolamo looked in his work yesterday? I hate the idea that he's even out there - I would much prefer that he be pointed towards the Cigar Mile - but I guess they insist on pushing forward with him unless he dislikes the synthetic. Thanks!

[my miss storm cat]

$1 million Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies Turf


Add Lilly Langtry (AOB)...

[Kasept]

$5 million Breeders' Cup Classic

Awesome Gem (Dollase) [1]
Colonel John (Harty) [1]
Einstein (Pitts-Blasi)
Girolamo (bin Suroor) [1]
Gio Ponti (Clement)
Mine That Bird (Woolley)
Quality Road (Pletcher) [1]
Regal Ransom (bin Suroor) [1]
Richard's Kid (Baffert)
Rip Van Winkle (O'Brien)
Summer Bird (Ice) [1]
Twice Over (Cecil)
Zenyatta (Shirreffs) [1]
Bullsbay (Motion) [2]
Chocolate Candy (Hollendorfer) [2]
Mastercraftsman [2]


$3 million Emirates Airline Breeders' Cup Turf

Allegre (Chambers)
Conduit (Stoute)
Dar Re Mi (Gosden) [1]
Monzante (Mitchell) [1]
Precious Passion (Hartman)
Red Rocks (Meehan)
Spanish Moon (Stoute)
Telling (Hobby)
Summer Bird (Ice) [2]


$2 million TVG Breeders' Cup Mile

Courageous Cat (Mott)
Court Vision (Dutrow)
Cowboy Cal (Pletcher)
Delegator (Meehan)
Ferneley (Cecil)
Gladitorius (bin Shafya)
Goldikova (Head)
Justenuffhumor (McLaughlin)
Karelian (Arnold)
Mr. Sidney (Mott) [1]
Whatsthescript (Sadler)
Zacinto (Stoute)
Awesome Gem (Dollase) [2]
Colonel John (Harty) [2]


$2 million Sentient Jet Breeders' Cup Sprint

Capt. Candyman Can (Wilkes)
Cost of Freedom (Sadler)
Crown of Thorns (Mandella) [2]
Dancing in Silks (Gaines) [1]
Fatal Bullet (Baker)
Fleeting Spirit (Noseda) [1]
Gayego (bin Suroor)
Join in the Dance (Pletcher) [1]
Kodiak Kowboy (Asmussen)
Square Eddie (O'Neill) [2]
Zensational (Baffert)


$2 million Grey Goose Breeders' Cup Juvenile

Aikenite (Pletcher)
Alfred Nobel (O'Brien) [1]
Aspire (Kenneally)
Awesome Act (Noseda) [2]
Beethoven (O'Brien) [1]
Buzzword (bin Suroor) [2]
Dave in Dixie (Sadler)
D' Funnybone (R. Dutrow)
Eskendereya (Pletcher) [1]
Fist of Rage (McPeek) [1]
Gallant Gent (C. Lewis)
Lookin at Lucky (Baffert)
Mint Chip (Arnold)
Noble's Promise (McPeek)
Piscatelli (Sacco)
Pounced (Gosden)
Pulsion (Biancone)
Radiohead (Meehan) [1]
Vale of York (bin Suroor) [1]
William's Kitten (Maker)


$1 million Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile

Bullsbay (Motion) [1]
Cherokee Artist (Motion)
Chocolate Candy (Hollendorfer) [1]
Cowboy Cal (Pletcher) [2]
Crown of Thorns (Mandella) [1]
El Gato Malo (Dollase) [2]
Furthest Land (Maker)
Girolamo (bin Suroor) [2]
Join in the Dance (Pletcher) [2]
Karelian (Arnold) [2]
Mambo Meister (Gleaves)
Mastercraftsman (O'Brien) [1]
Midshipman (bin Suroor)
Mr. Sidney (Mott) [2]
Monzante (Mitchell) [2]
Pyro (bin Suroor)
Quality Road (Pletcher) [2]
Ready's Echo (Pletcher)
Regal Ransom (bin Suroor) [2]
Sweet Hearth (de Royer-Dupre) [1]


$1 million Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf

Awesome Act (Noseda) [1]
Becky's Kitten (Ward)
Bridgetown (McPeek)
Buzzword (bin Suroor)
Codoy (Hubley)
Dean's Kitten (Maker)
Eskendereya (Pletcher) [2]
Fist of Rage (McPeek) [2]
Gallant Gent (C. Lewis)
Interactif (Pletcher)
Kera's Kitten (Maker)
King Ledley (Prendergast)
Mint Chip (Arnold)
Oasis Dancer (Beckett)
Pounced (Gosden)
Raging Wit (Mott)
Summer Movie (Sherman)
Vale of York (bin Suroor) [2]
Viscount Nelson (O'Brien)
Zip Quik (Biancone)


$1 million Breeders' Cup Turf Sprint

California Flag (Koriner)
Canadian Ballet (Rice)
Cannonball (Ward/Dominguez)
Cherokee Hweavan (Jones)
Dancing in Silks (Gaines) [2]
Delta Storm (Mitchell)
Desert Code (Hofmans)
Diamondrella (Penna)
El Gato Malo (Dollase) [1]
Fleeting Spirit (Noseda) [2]
Game Face (Pletcher) [2]
Get Funky (Sadler)
Gotta Have Her (Sahadi)
Lethal Heat (Abrams) [1]
Lord Shanakill (Jarvis)
Noble Court (Sadler)
Only Green (Head) [1]
Silver Timber (C. Brown)
Square Eddie (O'Neill) [1]
Strike the Deal (Noseda)
Tenga Cat (Ellis)
Yankee Injunuity (McMullen)


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$2 million Breeders' Cup Distaff

Careless Jewel (J. Carroll)
Cocoa Beach (bin Suroor)
Life is Sweet (Shirreffs)
Mushka (Mott)
Music Note (bin Suroor)
Proviso (Frankel)
Rainbow View (Gosden) [1]
Zenyatta (Shirreffs) [2]
Lethal Heat (Abrams) [2]


$2 million Emirates Airline Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Turf

Dar Re Mi (Gosden) [2]
Dynaforce (Mott)
Forever Together (Sheppard)
Magical Fantasy (Gallagher)
Maram (C. Brown)
Midday (Cecil)
Pure Clan (Holthus)
Rainbow View (Gosden) [2]
Rutheriene (Clement)
Visit (Frankel)


$2 million Grey Goose Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies

Always a Princess (Baffert)
Beautician (McPeek)
Bickersons (Breen)
Biofuel (Baker)
Blind Luck (Hollendorfer)
Champagne d'Oro (Guillot) [1]
Connie and Michael (McPeek) [1]
Devil May Care (Pletcher)
Ms. Vananenzza (Vasquez)
Negligee (Terranova)
She Be Wild (Catalano)
Zilva (Motion) [2]


$1 million Sentient Jet Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Sprint

Allicansayiswow (Biancone)
Evita Argentina (Sadler)
Free Flying Soul (Headley)
Game Face (Pletcher) [1]
Informed Decision (Sheppard)
Only Green (Head)
Sara Louise (bin Suroor)
Seventh Street (bin Suroor)
Silver Swallow (Headley)
Sweet Hearth (de Royer-Dupre) [2]
Ventura (Frankel)


$1 million Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies Turf

Champagne d'Oro (Guillot) [2]
Connie and Michael (McPeek) [2]
Dad's Crazy (Pletcher)
Elusive Galaxy (Lyons)
Hatheer (McLaughlin)
House of Grace (McPeek)
In the Slips (Cole)
Jungletale (Asmussen)
Junia Tepzia (Schiergen/Fallon)
La Nez (Kruljac)
Lillie Langtry (O'Brien)
Lisa's Kitten (Maker)
Potosina (Shuman)
Rose Catherine (Pletcher)
Smart Seattle (Motion)
Tapitsfly (Romans)
You'll Be Mine (O'Brien)
Zilva (Motion) [1]


$500,000 Breeders' Cup Marathon

Black Astor (L. Lewis)
Cloudy's Knight (Sheppard)
Eldaafer (Alvarado)
Father Time (Cecil)
Gangbuster (K. Desormeaux)
Man of Iron (O'Brien)
Mastery (bin Suroor)
Muhannak (Beckett)
Nite Light (Pletcher)
On Fire (Abrams)
Sir Dave (Carava)

[brianwspencer]

$500,000 Breeders' Cup Marathon
Cloudy's Knight (Sheppard)

So excited to bet him if he lands here when they take final entries.

[cakes44]

So how long before a brother can get some free PPs from Brisnet for these?

[CSC]

So excited to bet him if he lands here when they take final entries.

I have a fundamental belief right or wrong I will sink or swim with... but I firmly believe European trainers are better at getting their horses fit for stamina type of races, a marathon over there is 2 miles + hard to believe but 1 3/4 might be a cut back for some horses over there.

[brianwspencer]

I have a fundamental belief right or wrong I will sink or swim with... but I firmly believe European trainers are better at getting their horses fit for stamina type of races, a marathon over there is 2 miles + hard to believe but 1 3/4 might be a cut back for some horses over there.

While your theory may work in general, I think it has no bearing on any conversation involving Jonathan Sheppard, whose training style is as stamina-oriented as anyone's.

[VOL JACK]

I have a fundamental belief right or wrong I will sink or swim with... but I firmly believe European trainers are better at getting their horses fit for stamina type of races, a marathon over there is 2 miles + hard to believe but 1 3/4 might be a cut back for some horses over there.

I think breeding has more to do with the distance limitations than the trainer.

[CSC]

While your theory may work in general, I think it has no bearing on any conversation involving Jonathan Sheppard, whose training style is as stamina-oriented as anyone's.

Yeah he's the exception, he's a Brit so he's got that type of mentality.

[CSC]

I think breeding has more to do with the distance limitations than the trainer.

Probably you need a little of both, one guy I do like in NA marathon races is Mike Mitchell, he seems to do well. However I am not sure if that is more juice related or training. He has had his share of good distance horses thru the yrs.

[brianwspencer]

Yeah he's the exception, he's a Brit so he's got that type of mentality.

And Cloudy is a big, lumbering, horse (and to be honest, kind of ugly up close too, if you ask me) who's always seemed better-suited to marathon distances and sweeping courses, which seems to explain his success at Woodbine and Kentucky Downs.

Based on the way he runs and the way he moves, it seems to me that while there are some concerns (short rest, Pro-Ride), the distance being within his scope won't be one of them.

Plus, he couldn't have looked ANY more sensational bouncing his way back to the winner's circle last week after the Sycamore. Like having just run that marathon race was nothing at all to him...

[CSC]

And Cloudy is a big, lumbering, horse (and to be honest, kind of ugly up close too, if you ask me) who's always seemed better-suited to marathon distances and sweeping courses, which seems to explain his success at Woodbine and Kentucky Downs.

Based on the way he runs and the way he moves, it seems to me that while there are some concerns (short rest, Pro-Ride), the distance being within his scope won't be one of them.

Plus, he couldn't have looked ANY more sensational bouncing his way back to the winner's circle last week after the Sycamore. Like having just run that marathon race was nothing at all to him...

I like the looks on paper atleast of Father Time, he's going to be overlooked due to Godolphin's Mastery but he has the look of a live Euro (perhaps 1st lasix) in this race. Not a huge fan of Jamie Spencer though if he is indeed the Jock but he's definitely possible.

[brianwspencer]

I like the looks on paper atleast of Father Time, he's going to be overlooked due to Godolphin's Mastery but he has the look of a live Euro (perhaps 1st lasix) in this race. Not a huge fan of Jamie Spencer though if he is indeed the Jock but he's definitely possible.

Yea, most people named Spencer are notorious for screwing up things when the big-time comes around.

[King Glorious]

Two things stood out to me.

Summer Bird also being entered in the Turf.
Girolamo's first preference being the Classic.

[Kasept]

Two things stood out to me.

Summer Bird also being entered in the Turf.
Girolamo's first preference being the Classic.
Ice said a month ago that Summer Bird would be cross-entered in the Turf.

Putting Girolamo in the Classic seems a tad 'eager', no? But hell, they already have 2 in the Dirt Mile...

[Sightseek]

Ice said a month ago that Summer Bird would be cross-entered in the Turf.

Putting Girolamo in the Classic seems a tad 'eager', no? But hell, they already have 2 in the Dirt Mile...

Girolamo is going to win now to spite you. :p

[King Glorious]

Ice said a month ago that Summer Bird would be cross-entered in the Turf.

Putting Girolamo in the Classic seems a tad 'eager', no? But hell, they already have 2 in the Dirt Mile...

When he said that, it was before he had gone to California to train and he said he was keeping his options open because Summer Bird hadn't seemed to really like the synthetic when he trained on it before. Now, he's been there and been working on it and he's still entering the Turf. I could be wrong but that indicates to me that maybe he's not as happy with what he's seeing as he's saying to the media.

[Sightseek]

Anyone else notice what Zenyatta's first preference is? :tro:

[cakes44]

Anyone else notice what Zenyatta's first preference is? :tro:

That really means nothing. They know there was no chance of the Distaff overflowing. It just makes things easier for them, as usual.

[Travis Stone]

Putting Girolamo in the Classic seems a tad 'eager', no? But hell, they already have 2 in the Dirt Mile...

I think this horse is one of their best bullets and with so much upside and Regal Ransom there to ensure some pace, I say go for it. This Classic field doesn't scream world beaters either.

[brockguy]

The turf is going to be fascinating as Conduit will get a lot of the money but most likely won't get the set up he needs! Spanish Moon and Fallon look like the guys!!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Probably you need a little of both, one guy I do like in NA marathon races is Mike Mitchell, he seems to do well. However I am not sure if that is more juice related or training.

He's a good trainer, and a proponent of alkalizing. So, it's an amalgam. Careful if he enters something down the hill. Fatboy horses sure do power down that hill.

[CSC]

He's a good trainer, and a proponent of alkalizing.

I don't doubt this on both accounts, he's having just an ok yr for his standards, Ted West Sr. And Jr. never could distinguish the 2 are also having just ok year's, makes you wonder toothpaste is the only thing working out there at the moment. :zz:

[VOL JACK]

The turf is going to be fascinating as Conduit will get a lot of the money but most likely won't get the set up he needs! Spanish Moon and Fallon look like the guys!!

I still think Con was the 3rd best horse in the turf last year.
If SoF and Eagle Mnt jocks had a brain they would have run 1-2.

[PatCummings]

I still think Con was the 3rd best horse in the turf last year.
If SoF and Eagle Mnt jocks had a brain they would have run 1-2.

I will never, ever forget the field coming by the stands the first time last year, turning to Ntamm and asking...why is Soldier of Fortune pace-pressing his own rabbit. I will NEVER, EVER understand that ride. I'd like to say that he wasn't going to win anyway, but who could've told based on what is, quite possibly, the worst turf ride in a BC race.

[parsixfarms]

The turf is going to be fascinating as Conduit will get a lot of the money but most likely won't get the set up he needs! Spanish Moon and Fallon look like the guys!!

With Presious Passion in the race, there will be a legit pace, especially with the first half-mile run downhill.

[parsixfarms]

I will never, ever forget the field coming by the stands the first time last year, turning to Ntamm and asking...why is Soldier of Fortune pace-pressing his own rabbit. I will NEVER, EVER understand that ride. I'd like to say that he wasn't going to win anyway, but who could've told based on what is, quite possibly, the worst turf ride in a BC race.

Worse than Spencer's on Powerscourt?? That one is hard to beat.

[RockHardTen1985]

Worse than Spencer's on Powerscourt?? That one is hard to beat.

Yes it was worse.

[brockguy]

With Presious Passion in the race, there will be a legit pace, especially with the first half-mile run downhill.

yeah he's there, but maybe a chance they just let him do his own thing which would mean Fallon is setting the pace (but still saying that, PP could be dangerous out there!)

I still think Con was the 3rd best horse in the turf last year.
If SoF and Eagle Mnt jocks had a brain they would have run 1-2.

dont think Shea did much wrong on Eagle. He rode him assuming he would stay but didnt as well as Conduit.

[PatCummings]

Worse than Spencer's on Powerscourt?? That one is hard to beat.

I thought so...considering that they flew Red Rock Canyon over to go run and gun, there was no reason to think that their multiple G1 winner would be pressing the pace set by the hopeless maiden. Powerscourt was a bad ride on its own merits, I thought Murtagh's ride on Soldier of Fortune was absolute lunacy.

[Scav]

With Presious Passion in the race, there will be a legit pace, especially with the first half-mile run downhill.

I might be using Presious Passion, and this is coming from someone that absolutely HATES the horse, but the fact that it will be firm as can be, this horse is gonna have a HUGE lead going the finish line turn, he might just run away, I don't know.

[brockguy]

I will never, ever forget the field coming by the stands the first time last year, turning to Ntamm and asking...why is Soldier of Fortune pace-pressing his own rabbit. I will NEVER, EVER understand that ride. I'd like to say that he wasn't going to win anyway, but who could've told based on what is, quite possibly, the worst turf ride in a BC race.

I absolutely loved this race last year. Scavs turning to me as they turned from home asking where Conduit is? Whoosh, there he is..

[Betsy]

I think this horse is one of their best bullets and with so much upside and Regal Ransom there to ensure some pace, I say go for it. This Classic field doesn't scream world beaters either.

I think this screams stupidity from Godolphin. He's a lightly raced horse who hasn't been more than a mile and now they are going to push him against some very good horses (particularly the Euros) on a surface he's never run on? I'm as mad at Godolphin as I am at Joe Girardi and that's pretty mad. They'll retire him anyway at the end of the year, so I guess it doesn't really matter. This is a good way to ruin a good horse.

[hockey2315]

I think this screams stupidity from Godolphin. He's a lightly raced horse who hasn't been more than a mile and now they are going to push him against some very good horses (particularly the Euros) on a surface he's never run on? I'm as mad at Godolphin as I am at Joe Girardi and that's pretty mad. They'll retire him anyway at the end of the year, so I guess it doesn't really matter. This is a good way to ruin a good horse.

I highly doubt that.

[King Glorious]

I think this screams stupidity from Godolphin. He's a lightly raced horse who hasn't been more than a mile and now they are going to push him against some very good horses (particularly the Euros) on a surface he's never run on? I'm as mad at Godolphin as I am at Joe Girardi and that's pretty mad. They'll retire him anyway at the end of the year, so I guess it doesn't really matter. This is a good way to ruin a good horse.

Or a good way to win a very winnable race. The horse is in very good form right now and there are never any guarantees for the future so you take the chance with your best horse when the opportunity arises.

[Scav]

I can't believe that no one is talking about Zenyatta going in the Classic....Byk has the BC Classic as the #1 choice when he updated this morning....

[Kasept]

I can't believe that no one is talking about Zenyatta going in the Classic....Byk has the BC Classic as the #1 choice when he updated this morning....
Thing is Tom, with what looked like a certain overflow field for the Classic, they may simply have given preference to it to assure that IF they go there they would get in. The Distaff was not going to fill, so there was no need to show it any preference.

[Kasept]

TUESDAY'S WORKS:

Always a Princess Juvenile Fillies Oak Tree At Santa Anita Five Furlongs 1.01:20

Careless Jewel Ladies Classic Oak Tree At Santa Anita Six Furlongs 1.11:20

Colonel John Mile/Classic Oak Tree At Santa Anita Five Furlongs 1.02:00

D' Funnybone Juvenile Aqueduct Six Furlongs 1.14:36

Diamondrella (GB) *F & M Turf/Mile/Turf Sprint Belmont Park Four Furlongs 50:79

Lookin At Lucky *Juvenile Oak Tree At Santa Anita Six Furlongs 1.12:40

Pure Clan F & M Turf Churchill Downs Five Furlongs 1.01:40

Richard's Kid *Classic Oak Tree At Santa Anita Six Furlongs 1.12:80

Zensational *Sprint Oak Tree At Santa Anita Four Furlongs 46:40



MONDAY'S WORKS:

Aikenite Juvenile Belmont Park Five Furlongs 1.00:49

Bullsbay *Classic Fair Hill Seven Furlongs 1.29:00

Capt. Candyman Can Sprint Skylight Training Center Four Furlongs 48:20

Crown of Thorns Sprint/Dirt Mile Oak Tree At Santa Anita Six Furlongs 1.13:40

Interactif *Juvenile Turf Belmont Park Four Furlongs 49:11

Jungle Tale Juvenile Fillies Turf Churchill Downs Six Furlongs 1.14:20

Kodiak Kowboy Sprint Belmont Park Five Furlongs 1.01:84

Lethal Heat Ladies Classic/Turf Sprint Oak Tree At Santa Anita Five Furlongs 58:40

Midshipman Dirt Mile Oak Tree At Santa Anita Six Furlongs 1.16:60

Mine That Bird Classic Oak Tree At Santa Anita Five Furlongs 58:20

Mr. Sidney Mile Keeneland Five Furlongs 1.01:60

Mushka *Ladies Classic/F&M Turf Keeneland Five Furlongs 1.00:40

Quality Road Classic/Mile Belmont Park Five Furlongs 1.00:72

Ready's Echo Sprint Belmont Park Four Furlongs 49:23

Regal Ransom Classic Oak Tree At Santa Anita Five Furlongs 58:40

[Scav]

Thing is Tom, with what looked like a certain overflow field for the Classic, they may simply have given preference to it to assure that IF they go there they would get in. The Distaff was not going to fill, so there was no need to show it any preference.

That makes alot of sense. Good reasoning.

I personally think Moss will go in the Classic. Too much to lose while running in the Distaff and too much to gain while running in the Classic, even though that Classic is gonna be mighty rough.....

[CSC]

I thought Careless Jewell's work was impressive from a time perspective, knowing Carroll's MO that she doesn't Baffert-ize her horses in the morning, this one on the surface looks like a good move. It has crossed my mind that she may be better on dirt despite winning on poly earlier in the yr so it remains to be seen if she will continue her win streak on pro-ride.

[Scav]

$5 million Breeders' Cup Classic

Awesome Gem (Dollase) [1]
Colonel John (Harty) [1]
Einstein (Pitts-Blasi)
Gio Ponti (Clement)
Mine That Bird (Woolley)
Quality Road (Pletcher) [1]
Regal Ransom (bin Suroor) [1]
Richard's Kid (Baffert)
Rip Van Winkle (O'Brien)
Summer Bird (Ice) [1]
Twice Over (Cecil)
Zenyatta (Shirreffs) [1]
Bullsbay (Motion) [2]
Mastercraftsman [2]

Excluded:

Girolamo (bin Suroor) [1]
Chocolate Candy (Hollendorfer) [2]


$3 million Emirates Airline Breeders' Cup Turf

1. Allegre (Chambers)
2. Conduit (Stoute)
3. Dar Re Mi (Gosden) [1]
4. Monzante (Mitchell) [1]
5. Precious Passion (Hartman)
6. Red Rocks (Meehan)
7. Spanish Moon (Stoute)
8. Telling (Hobby)
9. Summer Bird (Ice) [2]


$2 million TVG Breeders' Cup Mile

1. Courageous Cat (Mott)
2. Court Vision (Dutrow)
3. Cowboy Cal (Pletcher)
4. Delegator (Meehan)
5. Ferneley (Cecil)
6. Gladitorius (bin Shafya)
7. Goldikova (Head)
8. Justenuffhumor (McLaughlin)
9. Karelian (Arnold)
10. Mr. Sidney (Mott) [1]
11. Whatsthescript (Sadler)
12. Zacinto (Stoute)
13. Awesome Gem (Dollase) [2]
14. Colonel John (Harty) [2]


$2 million Sentient Jet Breeders' Cup Sprint

1. Capt. Candyman Can (Wilkes)
2. Cost of Freedom (Sadler)
3. Crown of Thorns (Mandella) [2]
4. Dancing in Silks (Gaines) [1]
5. Fatal Bullet (Baker)
6. Fleeting Spirit (Noseda) [1]
7. Gayego (bin Suroor)
8. Join in the Dance (Pletcher) [1]
9. Kodiak Kowboy (Asmussen)
10. Square Eddie (O'Neill) [2]
11. Zensational (Baffert)


$2 million Grey Goose Breeders' Cup Juvenile

1. Aikenite (Pletcher)
2. Alfred Nobel (O'Brien) [1]
3. Aspire (Kenneally)
4. Beethoven (O'Brien) [1]
5. Buzzword (bin Suroor) [2]
6. D' Funnybone (R. Dutrow)
7. Gallant Gent (C. Lewis)
8. Lookin at Lucky (Baffert)
9. Noble's Promise (McPeek)
10. Piscatelli (Sacco)
11. Pounced (Gosden)
12. Pulsion (Biancone)
13. Radiohead (Meehan) [1]
14. Vale of York (bin Suroor) [1]

Excluded:

Dave in Dixie (Sadler)
Eskendereya (Pletcher) [1]
William's Kitten (Maker)
Awesome Act (Noseda) [2]
Mint Chip (Arnold)
Fist of Rage (McPeek) [1]


$1 million Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile

1. Bullsbay (Motion) [1]
2. Chocolate Candy (Hollendorfer) [1]
3. Crown of Thorns (Mandella) [1]
4. Mambo Meister (Gleaves)
5. Mastercraftsman (O'Brien) [1]
6. Midshipman (bin Suroor)
7. Pyro (bin Suroor)
8. Sweet Hearth (de Royer-Dupre) [1]
9. Cowboy Cal (Pletcher) [2]
10. Girolamo (bin Suroor) [2]
11. Quality Road (Pletcher) [2]
12. Regal Ransom (bin Suroor) [2]

Excluded:

Karelian (Arnold) [2]
Mr. Sidney (Mott) [2]
Ready's Echo (Pletcher)
Furthest Land (Maker)
Monzante (Mitchell) [2]
Neko Bay (Shirreffs)
El Gato Malo (Dollase) [2]
Cherokee Artist (Motion)
Join in the Dance (Pletcher) [2]


$1 million Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf

1. Becky's Kitten (Ward)
2. Bridgetown (McPeek)
3. Buzzword (bin Suroor)
4. Codoy (Hubley)
5. Eskendereya (Pletcher) [2]
6. Gallant Gent (C. Lewis)
7. Interactif (Pletcher)
8. King Ledley (Prendergast)
9. Pounced (Gosden)
10. Vale of York (bin Suroor) [2]
11. Viscount Nelson (O'Brien)
12. Zip Quik (Biancone)

Excluded:

Kera's Kitten (Maker)
Awesome Act (Noseda) [1]
Dean's Kitten (Maker)
Raging Wit (Mott)
Oasis Dancer (Beckett)
Summer Movie (Sherman)
Mint Chip (Arnold)
Fist of Rage (McPeek) [2]


$1 million Breeders' Cup Turf Sprint

1. California Flag (Koriner)
2. Cannonball (Ward/Dominguez)
3. Delta Storm (Mitchell)
4. Desert Code (Hofmans)
5. Diamondrella (Penna)
6. Gotta Have Her (Sahadi)
7. Lethal Heat (Abrams) [1]
8. Lord Shanakill (Jarvis)
9. Noble Court (Sadler)
10. Silver Timber (C. Brown)
11. Strike the Deal (Noseda)
12. Yankee Injunuity (McMullen)
13. Fleeting Spirit (Noseda) [2]
14. Game Face (Pletcher) [2]

Excluded:

Canadian Ballet (Rice)
Square Eddie (O'Neill) [1]
Dancing in Silks (Gaines) [2]
Get Funky (Sadler)
El Gato Malo (Dollase) [1]
Only Green (Head) [1]
Tenga Cat (Ellis)
Cherokee Heavan (Jones)


---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


$2 million Breeders' Cup Distaff

1. Careless Jewel (J. Carroll)
2. Cocoa Beach (bin Suroor)
3. Life is Sweet (Shirreffs)
4. Mushka (Mott)
5. Music Note (bin Suroor)
6. Proviso (Frankel)
7. Rainbow View (Gosden) [1]
8. Zenyatta (Shirreffs) [2]
9. Lethal Heat (Abrams) [2]


$2 million Emirates Airline Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Turf

1. Dar Re Mi (Gosden) [2]
2. Dynaforce (Mott)
3. Forever Together (Sheppard)
4. Magical Fantasy (Gallagher)
5. Maram (C. Brown)
6. Midday (Cecil)
7. Pure Clan (Holthus)
8. Rainbow View (Gosden) [2]
9. Rutheriene (Clement)
10. Visit (Frankel)


$2 million Grey Goose Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies

1. Always a Princess (Baffert)
2. Beautician (McPeek)
3. Bickersons (Breen)
4. Biofuel (Baker)
5. Blind Luck (Hollendorfer)
6. Champagne d'Oro (Guillot) [1]
7. Connie and Michael (McPeek) [1]
8. Devil May Care (Pletcher)
9. Ms. Vananenzza (Vasquez)
10. Negligee (Terranova)
11. She Be Wild (Catalano)
12. Zilva (Motion) [2]


$1 million Sentient Jet Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Sprint

1. Allicansayiswow (Biancone)
2. Evita Argentina (Sadler)
3. Free Flying Soul (Headley)
4. Game Face (Pletcher) [1]
5. Informed Decision (Sheppard)
6. Only Green (Head)
7. Sara Louise (bin Suroor)
8. Seventh Street (bin Suroor)
9. Silver Swallow (Headley)
10. Sweet Hearth (de Royer-Dupre) [2]
11. Ventura (Frankel)


$1 million Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies Turf

1. Elusive Galaxy (Lyons)
2. Hatheer (McLaughlin)
3. House of Grace (McPeek)
4. Jungletale (Asmussen)
5. Junia Tepzia (Schiergen/Fallon)
6. La Nez (Kruljac)
7. Lillie Langtry (O'Brien)
8. Lisa's Kitten (Maker)
9. Potosina (Shuman)
10. Smart Seattle (Motion)
11. Tapitsfly (Romans)
12. Zilva (Motion) [1]

Excluded:

Rose Catherine (Pletcher)
Dad's Crazy (Pletcher)
In the Slips (Cole)
Champagne d'Oro (Guillot) [2]
Connie and Michael (McPeek) [2]
You'll Be Mine?


$500,000 Breeders' Cup Marathon

1. Black Astor (L. Lewis)
2. Cloudy's Knight (Sheppard)
3. Eldaafer (Alvarado)
4. Father Time (Cecil)
5. Gangbuster (K. Desormeaux)
6. Man of Iron (O'Brien)
7. Mastery (bin Suroor)
8. Muhannak (Beckett)
9. Nite Light (Pletcher)
10. On Fire (Abrams)
11. Sir Dave (Carava)

http://www.breederscup.com/content.aspx?id=42710

[dellinger63]

That makes alot of sense. Good reasoning.

I personally think Moss will go in the Classic. Too much to lose while running in the Distaff and too much to gain while running in the Classic, even though that Classic is gonna be mighty rough.....

That logic seems so clear IMO that might be what they've been thinking all along.

[Gander]

When do they have to committ one way or the other on races?

Is there a chance the connections of Zenyatta are looking at how much speed is being entered in the Classic before they make their decision? Maybe they are waiting to the last possible moment to see who's in and who may opt out?

There doesnt seem to me a lot of pace in this year's Classic and I would think Zenyatta would need all the help she can get against these horses. This is a really talented bunch, albeit its being run on her surface in her backyard.

If she goes, she'll probably be 2nd choice to Gio Ponti?

[hockey2315]

When do they have to committ one way or the other on races?

Is there a chance the connections of Zenyatta are looking at how much speed is being entered in the Classic before they make their decision? Maybe they are waiting to the last possible moment to see who's in and who may opt out?

There doesnt seem to me a lot of pace in this year's Classic and I would think Zenyatta would need all the help she can get against these horses. This is a really talented bunch, albeit its being run on her surface in her backyard.

If she goes, she'll probably be 2nd choice to Gio Ponti?

ummm what?

[NTamm1215]

When do they have to committ one way or the other on races?

Is there a chance the connections of Zenyatta are looking at how much speed is being entered in the Classic before they make their decision? Maybe they are waiting to the last possible moment to see who's in and who may opt out?

There doesnt seem to me a lot of pace in this year's Classic and I would think Zenyatta would need all the help she can get against these horses. This is a really talented bunch, albeit its being run on her surface in her backyard.

If she goes, she'll probably be 2nd choice to Gio Ponti?

No. She will not be a longer price than Gio Ponti. She'll be the favorite IMO and QR, Summer Bird, and Rip will all be bet before GP.

NT

[Gander]

No. She will not be a longer price than Gio Ponti. She'll be the favorite IMO and QR, Summer Bird, and Rip will all be bet before GP.

NT

Really? I think Gio Ponti is going to take a lot of money. Hes already got a win over this surface. QR and Summer Bird are unproven.

[hockey2315]

Really? I think Gio Ponti is going to take a lot of money. Hes already got a win over this surface. QR and Summer Bird are unproven.

You're assuming the public is even remotely in tune with that distinction.

[tiznowthegreat]

When do they post the list of who gets in first for the oversubscribed races? And why do they list preference if they can still get accepted in both fields even if they are oversubscribed? What is the point of listing a preference?

[Scav]

When do they post the list of who gets in first for the oversubscribed races? And why do they list preference if they can still get accepted in both fields even if they are oversubscribed? What is the point of listing a preference?

It is on that link I posted earlier in this thread




(I actually put the exclusions into that post... SB)

[dellinger63]

You're assuming the public is even remotely in tune with that distinction.

especially on BC w/e....

[Merlinsky]

Poor Mine That Bird tried to run extra fast this week to get folks to pay attention to him and still, pfft! Ok well maybe it was b/c he saw another horse way up ahead and got a little competitive. Still...

Who brings up the rear in the Classic? MTB or Zenyatta?

[Kasept]

When do they post the list of who gets in first for the oversubscribed races? And why do they list preference if they can still get accepted in both fields even if they are oversubscribed? What is the point of listing a preference?
I put it in the post a couple ahead of yours as well as in the first post in the thread.

[randallscott35]

Poor Mine That Bird tried to run extra fast this week to get folks to pay attention to him and still, pfft! Ok well maybe it was b/c he saw another horse way up ahead and got a little competitive. Still...

Who brings up the rear in the Classic? MTB or Zenyatta?

I think Zenyatta is the most likely winner of the classic, followed by Colonel John....I realize I am in the minority.

[cakes44]

So when does the preliminary DRF come out?

[CSC]

How about the go figure's? We know there are always a few every yr. The Desert Code, Sealy Hill big performances that seemingly come out from left field...

[smuthg]

So when does the preliminary DRF come out?

Its out... I just signed up.

[Scav]

I think Zenyatta is the most likely winner of the classic, followed by Colonel John....I realize I am in the minority.

Did you bet the Breeders Cup last year?

Zenyatta has a chance to hit the board, only because she runs good over the track, but a horse like Gio Ponti will beat the piss out of her.

[pweizer]

Here are early (and meaningless) odds for all the races.

http://www.drf.com/newsletter/BCpreentries_102809.pdf

Paul

[Gander]

Here are early (and meaningless) odds for all the races.

http://www.drf.com/newsletter/BCpreentries_102809.pdf

Paul

Thank you sir.

[10 pnt move up]

I think Zenyatta will be about 3rd or 4th choice. I think RVW, Gio Ponti, and even the likes of Richards Kid, MTB and Colonal John will get bet.

Handicappers rely on Beyer Figures and hers are lower then most.

[NTamm1215]

I think Zenyatta will be about 3rd or 4th choice. I think RVW, Gio Ponti, and even the likes of Richards Kid, MTB and Colonal John will get bet.

Handicappers rely on Beyer Figures and hers are lower then most.

There's a better chance of you riding Zenyatta than of her going off the 3rd or 4th choice in the Classic.

NT

[10 pnt move up]

There's a better chance of you riding Zenyatta than of her going off the 3rd or 4th choice in the Classic.

NT

yea and Azeri would be odds on in Chicago and not 2/1....there are going to be some many "she cant win" articles being written, I think Crist has it pre-typed. I am not saying one way or another at this point, but get ready for a wave of negativity on this, there is going to be people with pom poms in the horse racing industry/media rooting for her to lose.

[CSC]

Did you bet the Breeders Cup last year?

Zenyatta has a chance to hit the board, only because she runs good over the track, but a horse like Gio Ponti will beat the piss out of her.

I hope she runs in the classic, she will take money which will benefit someone that actually has a better chance to win the race. Regardless of her chances she will take more money than her actual worth IMO.

[NTamm1215]

yea and Azeri would be odds on in Chicago and not 2/1....there are going to be some many "she cant win" articles being written, I think Crist has it pre-typed. I am not saying one way or another at this point, but get ready for a wave of negativity on this, there is going to be people with pom poms in the horse racing industry/media rooting for her to lose.

And they are going to be VASTLY out-numbered by people who want her to win. She is the only active horse in the country that has garnered the type of attention that will get the average joe to plunk down their money.

The BC betting is very often driven by reputation and popularity. That is the reason why Street Sense was the favorite in 2007, right?

NT

[10 pnt move up]

And they are going to be VASTLY out-numbered by people who want her to win. She is the only active horse in the country that has garnered the type of attention that will get the average joe to plunk down their money.

The BC betting is very often driven by reputation and popularity. That is the reason why Street Sense was the favorite in 2007, right?

NT

what do average joe's bet...cmon.

[Alan07]

Can anybody explain to me why the turf sprint is before the sprint?

Does the BC want to lose money on the P6 again?

[Gander]

And they are going to be VASTLY out-numbered by people who want her to win. She is the only active horse in the country that has garnered the type of attention that will get the average joe to plunk down their money.

The BC betting is very often driven by reputation and popularity. That is the reason why Street Sense was the favorite in 2007, right?

NT

You think so? I dont think she has much of a fan base at all. It would be one thing to say this about Rachel but most people really dont even know who she is. I dont remmeber Street Sense being that popular either. To me he was very forgettable, just like Zenyatta has been.

[NTamm1215]

what do average joe's bet...cmon.

I'm not going to argue with you but there's absolutely no way two or three horses are going to go off lower odds in the Classic than Zenyatta. No way.

NT

[pweizer]

I think zenyatta and Rip Van Winkle will vie for favoritism. Based on last year, all Euros will be overbet. Zenyatta has a huge fan base in California. I am not sute the same can be said for Gio Ponte.

Paul

[philcski]

And they are going to be VASTLY out-numbered by people who want her to win. She is the only active horse in the country that has garnered the type of attention that will get the average joe to plunk down their money.

The BC betting is very often driven by reputation and popularity. That is the reason why Street Sense was the favorite in 2007, right?

NT

2007 Derby? He was the favorite because he was the best horse in the field at that point in their careers. Not sure what your point is.

[NTamm1215]

2007 Derby? He was the favorite because he was the best horse in the field at that point in their careers. Not sure what your point is.

My point was that people who don't regularly follow the game but get involved on big days recognize certain horses and bet them. Zenyatta is one of them, Gio Ponti is not.

NT

[Scav]

Can anybody explain to me why the turf sprint is before the sprint?

Does the BC want to lose money on the P6 again?

Isn't always been Sprint/Turf/Classic in that order?

Before the 2 day the distaff was somewhere in there also I think.....

[10 pnt move up]

I'm not going to argue with you but there's absolutely no way two or three horses are going to go off lower odds in the Classic than Zenyatta. No way.

NT

I guess we will see, unless we see some defections you will be proven wrong.

[10 pnt move up]

Isn't always been Sprint/Turf/Classic in that order?

Before the 2 day the distaff was somewhere in there also I think.....

they reserve the right to mix it up to provide the best betting sequence.

[VOL JACK]

Here are early (and meaningless) odds for all the races.

http://www.drf.com/newsletter/BCpreentries_102809.pdf

Paul

Thanks Paul, Now I won't be able to sleep thinking I'm gonna get 4-1 on RVW.

[Antitrust32]

You think so? I dont think she has much of a fan base at all. It would be one thing to say this about Rachel but most people really dont even know who she is. I dont remmeber Street Sense being that popular either. To me he was very forgettable, just like Zenyatta has been.


I had typed out something long and similar to this but didnt post. I really dont get the whole "Zenyatta superstar" thing at all. She has only won one race that anyone outside the industry/gamblers would have watched, the distaff.

The only reason she may get the attention is because its in California, and that is where she has excelled.

She is definately not in the Smarty Jones/Rachel Alexandra/Cigar superstar category.. where you could ask your average football fan if you heard of the horse.. nobody knows who Zenyatta is.

I think based on popularity, and not just limited to Cali popularity, Summer Bird has the most "star" quality because he at least won a TC race. Some average joe's may know who he is. The reality is, outside of the TC and MAYBE the BC (not on the same level as the TC though), nobody knows or cares who is racing outside of gamblers.

[10 pnt move up]

My point was that people who don't regularly follow the game but get involved on big days recognize certain horses and bet them. Zenyatta is one of them, Gio Ponti is not.

NT

yea, they bet like 5 bucks (say you have 1000 of them)...there are people that will wager $5000 if they really liked someone in that race.

[pweizer]

Thanks Paul, Now I won't be able to sleep thinking I'm gonna get 4-1 on RVW.

I wouldn't hold out much hope for that...

Paul

[10 pnt move up]

I had typed out something long and similar to this but didnt post. I really dont get the whole "Zenyatta superstar" thing at all. She has only won one race that anyone outside the industry/gamblers would have watched, the distaff.

The only reason she may get the attention is because its in California, and that is where she has excelled.

She is definately not in the Smarty Jones/Rachel Alexandra/Cigar superstar category.. where you could ask your average football fan if you heard of the horse.. nobody knows who Zenyatta is.

I think based on popularity, and not just limited to Cali popularity, Summer Bird has the most "star" quality because he at least won a TC race. Some average joe's may know who he is. The reality is, outside of the TC and MAYBE the BC (not on the same level as the TC though), nobody knows or cares who is racing outside of gamblers.

dang, forgot about summer bird.....heck he goes off about the same as Zenyatta,

[Scav]

they reserve the right to mix it up to provide the best betting sequence.

Wow, they changed the lineup today....Give me a minute and I will find out

Fri: Moved the F/M Sprint to right before the Distaff
Sat: They moved the Sprint to earlier and put the Dirt and Turf Mile back to back....Like the moves

Friday
Alw/Opt Claimer 8.5f
Alw/Opt Claimer 6.5f
Breeders' Cup Marathon Marathon $500,000 1 3/4 Miles
Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies Turf Juvenile Fillies Turf $1,000,000 1 mile (T)
Grey Goose Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies I Juvenile Fillies $2,000,000 1 1/16 Miles
Emirates Airline Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Turf I Filly & Mare Turf $2,000,000 1 1/4 Miles (T)
Sentient Jet Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Sprint I Filly & Mare Sprint $1,000,000 7 Furlongs
Breeders' Cup Ladies' Classic I Ladies' Classic $2,000,000 1 1/8 Miles
Las Palmas

Saturday
Damascus Stakes 7f
Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf II Juvenile Turf $1,000,000 1 Mile (T)
Breeders' Cup Turf Sprint Turf Sprint $1,000,000 6.5 Furlongs (T)
Sentient Jet Breeders' Cup Sprint I Sprint $2,000,000 6 Furlongs
Grey Goose Breeders' Cup Juvenile I Juvenile $2,000,000 1 1/16 Miles
TVG Breeders' Cup Mile I Mile $2,000,000 1 Mile (T)
Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile I Dirt Mile $1,000,000 1 Mile
Emirates Airline Breeders' Cup Turf I Turf $3,000,000 1 1/2 Miles (T)
Breeders' Cup Classic I Classic $5,000,000 1 1/4 Miles
Oak Tree Derby 9f Turf

[Antitrust32]

I'm not going to argue with you but there's absolutely no way two or three horses are going to go off lower odds in the Classic than Zenyatta. No way.

NT


How much stupid money is bet on the BC? it cant be anything like the Derby where everyone wants to make a bet. If there is a lot of stupid money bet I could see her as the 2nd choice behind Summer Bird (he's a better bet but its also similar stupid money bet on him because of the lack of synthetic experience).

Based on performance it should go - the best Euro should be favored (because of the stupid surface), then Summer Bird, Gio, the next best Euro, then Zenyatta.

[RockHardTen1985]

My point was that people who don't regularly follow the game but get involved on big days recognize certain horses and bet them. Zenyatta is one of them, Gio Ponti is not.

NT


Gio Ponti stinks.

[CSC]

I think zenyatta and Rip Van Winkle will vie for favoritism. Based on last year, all Euros will be overbet. Zenyatta has a huge fan base in California. I am not sute the same can be said for Gio Ponte.

Paul

Zenayatta will take more money than 2009 HOY Summer Bird(:D)

You know seriously he may be forgotten with Rip Van Winkle, Gio Ponti, hopefully Colonel John, Derby winners always seem to take money Mine That Bird, Richard's Kid...ect... I know he's the best horse at 1 1/4, the only question is does he have one more big race in the tank and the obvious risk of not knowing how he will fare on pro ride. Which will be a bonus to his odds if you want a positive spin of not running on dirt.

[Gander]

I had typed out something long and similar to this but didnt post. I really dont get the whole "Zenyatta superstar" thing at all. She has only won one race that anyone outside the industry/gamblers would have watched, the distaff.

The only reason she may get the attention is because its in California, and that is where she has excelled.

She is definately not in the Smarty Jones/Rachel Alexandra/Cigar superstar category.. where you could ask your average football fan if you heard of the horse.. nobody knows who Zenyatta is.

I think based on popularity, and not just limited to Cali popularity, Summer Bird has the most "star" quality because he at least won a TC race. Some average joe's may know who he is. The reality is, outside of the TC and MAYBE the BC (not on the same level as the TC though), nobody knows or cares who is racing outside of gamblers.

I agree 100%. If Zenyatta wins the Classic, I will be very impressed as this is a much better field of horses than Rachel took down in any of her 3 wins vs males. Then she will be interesting and a huge story. For now, shes a very good, freakishly consistent horse who only runs in races in her own element.

I still think she doesnt go here and instead opts for the Ladies Classic. Why would we expect anything else from her connections, when they have already had many opportunities to try the males? Wake me up when the Ladies Classic is over.

The Classic is going to be an awesome race, but so, so much better if Zenyatta go. I hope she does.

[Antitrust32]

Exactly Gander, this will become a moot point when Z runs in the Distaff or scratches out of both races. Maybe it will rain and they dont want to run her on wet pro-ride.. like they did at Churchill. It is very hard to root for this horse because of her chicken **** owners. Of course its not the horses fault but it become redundant and boring.

I really hope she runs in the Classic and does well.. then I can appreciate her. If she runs in the Distaff I hope she runs a non-threatening 5th, so the owners can go cry.

[Scav]

Gio Ponti stinks.

YES!!

[randallscott35]

Did you bet the Breeders Cup last year?

Zenyatta has a chance to hit the board, only because she runs good over the track, but a horse like Gio Ponti will beat the piss out of her.

Yes I had a very good two days by the way. I don't really know what your point was here. I said I was in the minority, Zenyatta is an underlay...it doesn't mean she can't win.

[philcski]

My point was that people who don't regularly follow the game but get involved on big days recognize certain horses and bet them. Zenyatta is one of them, Gio Ponti is not.

NT

Gotcha, I see what you're getting at, but I think that was a bad example because he was the best horse in the field. It isn't often the best 3 run 1-2-3 in the Derby but they did in that one.

[RockHardTen1985]

YES!!


I hope you bet him...I think there are at the very least 5 horses who are simply better, better suited for the race.

[CSC]

I agree 100%. If Zenyatta wins the Classic, I will be very impressed as this is a much better field of horses than Rachel took down in any of her 3 wins vs males. Then she will be interesting and a huge story. For now, shes a very good, freakishly consistent horse who only runs in races in her own element.

I still think she doesnt go here and instead opts for the Ladies Classic. Why would we expect anything else from her connections, when they have already had many opportunities to try the males? Wake me up when the Ladies Classic is over.

The Classic is going to be an awesome race, but so, so much better if Zenyatta go. I hope she does.

Then if either Z or SB win the Classic, is it fair to say they should seriously receive HOY consideration, and a horse sitting on the sidelines protecting her record should not get it via defacto.

[slotdirt]

Zenyatta doesn't deserve even a second of consideration for horse of the year regardless of what she does IF she runs in the Classic. Her schedule has been downright laughable. Summer Bird and Gio Ponti are far more likely to challenge Rachel Alexandra for the award.

[Antitrust32]

Then if either Z or SB win the Classic, is it fair to say they should seriously receive HOY consideration, and a horse sitting on the sidelines protecting her record should not get it via defacto.


:zz: :zz:

lordy! Yeah, cause Z didnt sit around for the WHOLE FREAKING YEAR waiting for the classic! :rolleyes:

and Summer Bird didnt already get whopped by her! :rolleyes:

Remember, Rachel DID run 8 times this year! and 11 times in 11 months.

This argument you keep bring up is very misguided, unless you meant 2nd in the voting when you said "HOY consideration", then it is spot on.

[VOL JACK]

I hope you bet him...I think there are at the very least 5 horses who are simply better, better suited for the race.

I will now.

[VOL JACK]

Wow, they changed the lineup today....Give me a minute and I will find out

Fri: Moved the F/M Sprint to right before the Distaff
Sat: They moved the Sprint to earlier and put the Dirt and Turf Mile back to back....Like the moves

Friday
Alw/Opt Claimer 8.5f
Alw/Opt Claimer 6.5f
Breeders' Cup Marathon Marathon $500,000 1 3/4 Miles
Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies Turf Juvenile Fillies Turf $1,000,000 1 mile (T)
Grey Goose Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies I Juvenile Fillies $2,000,000 1 1/16 Miles
Emirates Airline Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Turf I Filly & Mare Turf $2,000,000 1 1/4 Miles (T)
Sentient Jet Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Sprint I Filly & Mare Sprint $1,000,000 7 Furlongs
Breeders' Cup Ladies' Classic I Ladies' Classic $2,000,000 1 1/8 Miles
Las Palmas

Saturday
Damascus Stakes 7f
Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf II Juvenile Turf $1,000,000 1 Mile (T)
Breeders' Cup Turf Sprint Turf Sprint $1,000,000 6.5 Furlongs (T)
Sentient Jet Breeders' Cup Sprint I Sprint $2,000,000 6 Furlongs
Grey Goose Breeders' Cup Juvenile I Juvenile $2,000,000 1 1/16 Miles
TVG Breeders' Cup Mile I Mile $2,000,000 1 Mile (T)
Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile I Dirt Mile $1,000,000 1 Mile
Emirates Airline Breeders' Cup Turf I Turf $3,000,000 1 1/2 Miles (T)
Breeders' Cup Classic I Classic $5,000,000 1 1/4 Miles
Oak Tree Derby 9f Turf

Looks like they are trying to get Zensational out of the late p4.
I don't think he is the lock that most do.

[Scav]

Looks like they are trying to get Zensational out of the late p4.
I don't think he is the lock that most do.
Its about field size, i like the move, that late pick four is gonna be a doozy

[Gander]

Zenyatta doesn't deserve even a second of consideration for horse of the year regardless of what she does IF she runs in the Classic. Her schedule has been downright laughable. Summer Bird and Gio Ponti are far more likely to challenge Rachel Alexandra for the award.

Couldnt agree more. 1 race doesnt make anybody HOY. Her other wins have been jokes against very slow animals.

If any horse ever deserved to sit on the sidelines, its Rachel Alexandra. What she did this year is simply amazing. Shes HOY unless Summer Bird wins this in a romp, then it may be a close vote.

[CSC]

:zz: :zz:

lordy! Yeah, cause Z didnt sit around for the WHOLE FREAKING YEAR waiting for the classic! :rolleyes:

and Summer Bird didnt already get whopped by her! :rolleyes:

Remember, Rachel DID run 8 times this year! and 11 times in 11 months.

This argument you keep bring up is very misguided, unless you meant 2nd in the voting when you said "HOY consideration", then it is spot on.

Actually I don't care for Zenyatta, other than if she gets consideration those misguided voters should look at Summer Bird, I know the Rachel fans love dining out on her Haskel win but culmulatively if Summer Bird wins the BC he would have faced far better horses than RA has this year while winning on both synth and dirt tracks. Twice I might add at the classic distance. That's all that matters, she may have been better than him in one race in the summer, I doubt she is now in the fall(present tense), otherwise Jess would surely try to add to her legacy, that's what it is all about with her he was quoted as saying, well strange way of showing it.

Most people say in for a penny in for a pound, in RA's case in for a penny in for 1/2 a pound is quite apropos.

[Antitrust32]

Actually I don't care for Zenyatta, other than if she gets consideration those misguided voters should look at Summer Bird, I know the Rachel fans love dining out on her Haskel win but culmulatively if Summer Bird wins the BC he would have faced far better horses than RA has this year while winning on both synth and dirt tracks. Twice I might add at the classic distance. That's all that matters, she may have been better than him in one race in the summer, I doubt she is now in the fall(present tense), otherwise Jess would surely try to add to her legacy, that's what it is all about with her he was quoted as saying, well strange way of showing it.

Most people say in for a penny in for a pound, in RA's case in for a penny in for 1/2 a pound is quite apropos.


Him winning at 1 1/4 and her winning at 1 1/8th means nothing for either horse's HOY chances. this "classic" distance thing is out dated.

So far, Summer Bird has not faced "far better horses" at all. And only will in the BC because of some good turfers who are running on a alternate turf surface.

I like Summer Bird quite a bit, eventhough i am a Rachel homer. I also think a Summer Bird BC win would make him a MUCH better HOY selection instead of a Zenyatta BC winner. But neither have a chance against Rachel.

But lets revisit this after the BC, because most likely SB will not win (not because he's not the best.. he is probably the best pre-entry in that race.. but because of the surface), and if he DOES win then we can bring this subject back up.

[Antitrust32]

I know this is a stupid question and it really shows how little I really care for a BC on fake non-dirt, but when is it? This upcoming weekend or the weekend after?

[slotdirt]

Has anybody considered whether Zenyatta is actually going to like going the full 10 panels?

[Gander]

I know this is a stupid question and it really shows how little I really care for a BC on fake non-dirt, but when is it? This upcoming weekend or the weekend after?

LOL! This is a great post which shows how much this crap has ruined racing and what an insult it is to racing fans that the "big event" is on a fake surface.

Its next weekend by the way. Nov 6-7. Why those dumbasses insist on having half of it on a day (Friday) most people work is beyond me.

[Scav]

LOL! This is a great post which shows how much this crap has ruined racing and what an insult it is to racing fans that the "big event" is on a fake surface.

Its next weekend by the way. Nov 6-7. Why those dumbasses insist on having half of it on a day (Friday) most people work is beyond me.

You guys are just a bunch of crybabies, all synthetics have done is add another dimension to handicapping and racing. It isn't like the breed has changed because of the surface. Some like it, some hate it.

Some like hard dirt, some like deep sandy surfaces, some like a sealed track and some like water on top of it.

[slotdirt]

Some like to come to the Derby dressed as a pimp and get dual classic winners fully erect. To each their own.

[SniperSB23]

You guys are just a bunch of crybabies, all synthetics have done is add another dimension to handicapping and racing. It isn't like the breed has changed because of the surface. Some like it, some hate it.

Some like hard dirt, some like deep sandy surfaces, some like a sealed track and some like water on top of it.

As a third surface I would be fine with them. As a dirt replacement I have MAJOR problems with them, especially with BC dirt races being contested on them.

[Gander]

The list of really nice horses who arent running in the BC because of its track surface speaks volumes.

[Sightseek]

I'm not thrilled with the BC being run on synthetic, but it's still the BC, so I can't wait for it!

[10 pnt move up]

The list of really nice horses who arent running in the BC because of its track surface speaks volumes.

Who? RA, Macho Again (though really nice, cmon).

[Antitrust32]

You guys are just a bunch of crybabies, all synthetics have done is add another dimension to handicapping and racing. It isn't like the breed has changed because of the surface. Some like it, some hate it.

Some like hard dirt, some like deep sandy surfaces, some like a sealed track and some like water on top of it.

that last sentence is so stupid Scav. Why not say some dirt champions like turf? thats what this crap is, and alternative turf surface. It is far more like a turf surface than a dirt surface. You think its cool and okay that all the Turf stars wont even be running in THEIR OWN race because the Classic fits them just as well!?!?


:rolleyes:

Yeah.. lets run the Classic, the premier dirt race in the WORLD, over tires and condoms for two freaking years in a row! Its ridiculous, and like Gander said, the list of the horses who wont be running because of the surface proves how garbage it really is.

This is like the Division I-AA Breeders Cup.

I am not excited at all about this and wont be. Of course I'm going to watch it, because its like one of 5 times during the year that racing is even on TV! Not going to bet on it though, unless freaky stuff happens and the Euro turf stars have high odds.. then I just want the free money.

[Antitrust32]

Some like to come to the Derby dressed as a pimp and get dual classic winners fully erect. To each their own.


LOL this is funny! (though Scav is a great guy)

[Scav]

As a third surface I would be fine with them. As a dirt replacement I have MAJOR problems with them, especially with BC dirt races being contested on them.

It isn't like dirt is going anywhere, NY will be dirt forever, Churchill isn't going anywhere, Florida isn't going synthetic.....

[SniperSB23]

Who? RA, Macho Again (though really nice, cmon).

Indian Blessing, Vineyard Haven, Fabulous Strike...

It isn't just the horses not going, it is also the number that will be compromised by running on synthetics instead of on real dirt.

[SniperSB23]

It isn't like dirt is going anywhere, NY will be dirt forever, Churchill isn't going anywhere, Florida isn't going synthetic.....

The problem is the Breeders Cup are supposed to be the championships of the sport. To conduct the championship races on the dirt on a surface that isn't dirt is completely preposterous.

[Antitrust32]

Indian Blessing, Vineyard Haven, Fabulous Strike...

It isn't just the horses not going, it is also the number that will be compromised by running on synthetics instead of on real dirt.

Hot Dixie Chick.. I'm sure we could find 10 more.

[Alan07]

2009 Breeders' Cup World Championships (All Eastern)
Friday, November 6 Race No. Post Bet Types
Santa Anita Race 1 2:15 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3, Pick 4
Santa Anita Race 2 2:50 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3
Marathon 3 3:35 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3, Pick 6, JB
Juv. Fillies Turf 4 4:10 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3
Juv. Fillies 5 4:45 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3, Pick 4
FM Turf 6 5:25 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3, Pick 4
FM Sprint 7 6:00 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3
Distaff 8 6:45 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, SP DD, PEN
Las Palmas H. 9 7:25 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER

Saturday, November 7 Race No. Post Bet Types
Damascus 1 1:05 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3
Juv. Turf 2 1:45 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3, Pick 4
Turf Sprint 3 2:25 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3
Sprint 4 3:10 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3, Pick 6
Juvenile 5 3:50 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3
Turf Mile 6 4:30 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3, Pick 4
Mile 7 5:10 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3, Pick 4
Turf 8 5:58 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3
Classic 9 3:45 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, PEN, DD
Oak Tree Derby 10 4:25 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER

WPS = Win, Place, Show
EX = Exacta
TRI = Triple
SUPER = Superfecta
DD = Daily Double (No DD on Races 8-9 Fri.)
SP DD = Special Daily Double
SUPER HI 5 – Super High 5
PICK # = Pick Wagers
JB = Jockey Bet (Win Only)*

CHRB Rules apply for wagering with field sizes
*Bet may not be offered at all simulcast sites

[10 pnt move up]

Indian Blessing, Vineyard Haven, Fabulous Strike...

It isn't just the horses not going, it is also the number that will be compromised by running on synthetics instead of on real dirt.

Indian Blessing is done

VH ran last week, they have Gayego in the same race

Fab Strike, well yea he is nice.

I dont know if I buy compromised.

[Scav]

The problem is the Breeders Cup are supposed to be the championships of the sport. To conduct the championship races on the dirt on a surface that isn't dirt is completely preposterous.

So what is going to happen to the synthetic horses next year when it is at Churchill? Then they have something to complain about.

[SniperSB23]

Indian Blessing is done

VH ran last week, they have Gayego in the same race

Fab Strike, well yea he is nice.

I dont know if I buy compromised.

They have multiple horses in every race, if they thought Vineyard Haven could run on the junk he'd be there in the Sprint or the "Dirt" Mile.

As to Indian Blessing:

“The last two works here have just been very average for her. She’s a great work horse, and my rider said she is just totally different on synthetics,” Baffert said. "She’s not the same filly and she travels totally different on it. She’s always fought it. Coming into Breeders’ Cup, she’s running against great competition, and I just don’t feel comfortable running her against synthetic specialists.”

[Antitrust32]

So what is going to happen to the synthetic horses next year when it is at Churchill? Then they have something to complain about.


Synthetic horses have a greater advantage running on Turf than Dirt horses have running on Synthetics... so there ya go, they can just run on turf!

[slotdirt]

So what is going to happen to the synthetic horses next year when it is at Churchill? Then they have something to complain about.

No they won't; they'll just run on the turf instead.

[Antitrust32]

They have multiple horses in every race, if they thought Vineyard Haven could run on the junk he'd be there in the Sprint or the "Dirt" Mile.

As to Indian Blessing:

“The last two works here have just been very average for her. She’s a great work horse, and my rider said she is just totally different on synthetics,” Baffert said. "She’s not the same filly and she travels totally different on it. She’s always fought it. Coming into Breeders’ Cup, she’s running against great competition, and I just don’t feel comfortable running her against synthetic specialists.”


Wouldnt Icon Project have been on the sitting on the dirt sideline list had she stayed healthy?

[Buckpasser]

Hey, how about haven't annual awards for every surface (JK). Is this what the game has come to? The more confusion among the public the faster they will leave and go onto something else. The industry has to be more uniform otherwise it will continue to lose customers.

Male Sprinter Dirt Champ:
Male Sprinter Synthetic Champ:
Male Sprinter Grass Champ:

Horse of the Year on Dirt:
Horse of the Year on Synthetic:
Horse of the Year on Grass:

Two-Year-Old Male on Dirt:
Two-Year-Old Male: on Synthetic:
Two-Year-Old Male on Grass:


And so on.......

[SniperSB23]

Wouldnt Icon Project have been on the sitting on the dirt sideline list had she stayed healthy?

I'm sure her owner would have put her in the BC if she had stayed healthy. Didn't they skip the NY race to run at Keeneland on the poly?

[Antitrust32]

I'm sure her owner would have put her in the BC if she had stayed healthy. Didn't they skip the NY race to run at Keeneland on the poly?


thats true..

I'll tell ya what. I will be extremely impressed if Summer Bird or Quality road or any other dirt horse beats the Euro's/Gio/Zenyatta (if she runs).

[SniperSB23]

Hey, how about haven't annual awards for every surface (JK). Is this what the game has come to? The more confusion among the public the faster they will leave and go onto something else. The industry has to be more uniform otherwise it will continue to lose customers.

Male Sprinter Dirt Champ:
Male Sprinter Synthetic Champ:
Male Sprinter Grass Champ:

Horse of the Year on Dirt:
Horse of the Year on Synthetic:
Horse of the Year on Grass:

Two-Year-Old Male on Dirt:
Two-Year-Old Male: on Synthetic:
Two-Year-Old Male on Grass:


And so on.......

There are probably some horses that are faster on pavement so we better clear a spot in the parking lot for them to race on. We'll need to add swimming as well.

[Antitrust32]

There are probably some horses that are faster on pavement so we better clear a spot in the parking lot for them to race on. We'll need to add swimming as well.


that would be entertaining for sure! in fact I wish the synthetic craze would have been a pool craze instead!

[10 pnt move up]

They have multiple horses in every race, if they thought Vineyard Haven could run on the junk he'd be there in the Sprint or the "Dirt" Mile.

As to Indian Blessing:

“The last two works here have just been very average for her. She’s a great work horse, and my rider said she is just totally different on synthetics,” Baffert said. "She’s not the same filly and she travels totally different on it. She’s always fought it. Coming into Breeders’ Cup, she’s running against great competition, and I just don’t feel comfortable running her against synthetic specialists.”

not to shock anyone but IB has been average all year long, what am I missing with her this season?

[SniperSB23]

not to shock anyone but IB has been average all year long, what am I missing with her this season?

Indian Blessing is nowhere near as good as she was last year but she would absolutely be among the favorites in this race if it were on dirt. In three starts on dirt this year she ran second to the boys in Dubai, ran second to Music Note at Saratoga and then beat Sara Louise at Belmont. That is hardly average.

[Scav]

No they won't; they'll just run on the turf instead.

So a horse like Informed Decision would go to the 'turf' instead of the dirt.

Cmon people....

[SniperSB23]

So a horse like Informed Decision would go to the 'turf' instead of the dirt.

Cmon people....

She won a G1 at Churchill, why would she have any problem with that surface?

[slotdirt]

Maybe not Informed Decision, but Gio Ponti would most assuredly not be running on the dirt.

[Antitrust32]

So a horse like Informed Decision would go to the 'turf' instead of the dirt.

Cmon people....

okay thats it.. you sold me.. I :{>: fake breeders cups!


:rolleyes:

[philcski]

Him winning at 1 1/4 and her winning at 1 1/8th means nothing for either horse's HOY chances. this "classic" distance thing is out dated.

So far, Summer Bird has not faced "far better horses" at all. And only will in the BC because of some good turfers who are running on a alternate turf surface.

I like Summer Bird quite a bit, eventhough i am a Rachel homer. I also think a Summer Bird BC win would make him a MUCH better HOY selection instead of a Zenyatta BC winner. But neither have a chance against Rachel.

But lets revisit this after the BC, because most likely SB will not win (not because he's not the best.. he is probably the best pre-entry in that race.. but because of the surface), and if he DOES win then we can bring this subject back up.


I know this is a stupid question and it really shows how little I really care for a BC on fake non-dirt, but when is it? This upcoming weekend or the weekend after?

you are the best Lori! :{>:

LOL! This is a great post which shows how much this crap has ruined racing and what an insult it is to racing fans that the "big event" is on a fake surface.

Its next weekend by the way. Nov 6-7. Why those dumbasses insist on having half of it on a day (Friday) most people work is beyond me.

Would you rather they take on the goliath known as the NFL instead?

[Scav]

She won a G1 at Churchill, why would she have any problem with that surface?

in the slop...There are a ton of horses that hate the slop. Is slop really considered dirt, because a slop race, like a poly race, are run completely different from a fast dirt race

[Scav]

Maybe not Informed Decision, but Gio Ponti would most assuredly not be running on the dirt.

I wouldn't necessarily say that as fact. Turf horses have always come and tried the dirt in the Classic because of the purse and other, not sure what Gio Ponti has done on the dirt, but I am guessing it wasn't good, but for 5 million, people do crazy things.

[Betsy]

Or a good way to win a very winnable race. The horse is in very good form right now and there are never any guarantees for the future so you take the chance with your best horse when the opportunity arises.

I agree, except I don't think he has a shot to win. Even if he handles the synthetics, he's now going to make the jump from a mile to 1 1/4.........He's just so lightly raced and that's a huge concern to me as well.

[Antitrust32]

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/53153/zenyatta-definitely-leaning-toward-classic

Z "definitely leaning towards the classic". I'll believe it when i see it..

the best part of this whole article is:

"She has a great shot to win the Ladies Classic, which has a very large purse. But the Classic is an opportunity to try to garner Horse of the Year honors, and to not run her when she’s doing so well would be a mistake. Mr. Moss said it’s not about Horse of the Year as much as it is to see her compete at the highest level.”

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahaaahah!!

[RockHardTen1985]

She won a G1 at Churchill, why would she have any problem with that surface?


The group she beat was one of the worst I remember. What happened in the Ballerina? Everyone says Indian Blessing is done, she was no where NEAR HER.

[RockHardTen1985]

Im looking at the nomination PP"s and just a few thoughts so far....

The Juvenile Fillies Turf appears to be loaded.

The Ladies Classic is a JOKE WITHOUT ZENYATTA.


Aidan O'brien looks to have the top contenders in both Juvy Turf races.

I dont know much about Fleeting Spirit, but he was the chalk in the turf sprint last year and appears to be in better form this year. Just watched the replay and he def. broke slow last year as well. I think Gotta Have Her has a huge chance. There is also a first time Mandella that looks decent, cutback and look back to the turf sprints in the PP"S.

The turf looks kinda shitty, I like Spanish Moon.

[Kasept]

I dont know much about Fleeting Spirit, but he was the chalk in the turf sprint last year and appears to be in better form this year.
Fleeting Spirit is a 'she'.. Might be a good starting point in the learning curve.

[freddymo]

Fleeting Spirit is a 'she'.. Might be a good starting point in the learning curve.

Please be nice to Rock hard cock

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Did you bet the Breeders Cup last year?

Zenyatta has a chance to hit the board, only because she runs good over the track, but a horse like Gio Ponti will beat the piss out of her.

I think I bet him in his last race on this surface. They have an excuse for it? The grade 3 win on this surface may have been a unique surface (opening day, and way back rating off a hot pace...Gomez was riding like Jesus #2 that day.)

[RockHardTen1985]

Fleeting Spirit is a 'she'.. Might be a good starting point in the learning curve.


Thanks...