8/12-14 (SAR): Hall of Fame (G2); Cab Calloway, Statue/Liberty (NYB)

[Kasept]

WEDNESDAY 9TH (5:30) New York Stallion Cab Calloway S.

1 1/16 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 1 Scientist Desormeaux K J Phipps William 115 L 4-1
2 2 The Plot Thickens Velasquez C Martin Carlos F 115 L 5-1
3 3 Puregoodniss Maragh R Imperio Joseph 115 L 20-1
4 4 Storm Hope Castellano J J Tagg Barclay 115 L 10-1
5 5 Uncle T Seven Leparoux J R Morrison John 121 L 5-2
6 6 Minnie Punt Velazquez J R Miceli Michael 121 L 3-1
7 7 Katskill Bay Prado E S Ubillo Rodrigo A 117 L 10-1
8 8 Livin Large Lezcano J Brown Bruce R 115 L 10-1

Exacta, Trifecta, Super (.10), Daily Double Wagers



THURSDAY 9TH (5:31) New York Stallion Statue of Liberty S.

1 1/16 Miles (Inner turf) | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 In Volo Hastie R M 118 L
2 Es Mia Prado E S 114 L
3 Seek On Velasquez C 114 L
4 Wild Awake Castellano J J 114 L
5 We're Hooked Garcia Alan 114 Blk-Off L
6 Big Brownie Arroyo N Jr 114 Blk-On L
7 Mother Russia Dominguez R A 122 L
8 Sezzana Maragh R 120 L
9 She's Prime Velazquez J R 114 Blk-On L
10 Simple Western Coa E M 114 L



FRIDAY 8TH (4:56) National Museum of Racing Hall of Fame S. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Straight Story Velazquez J R 115 L
2 No Inflation Albarado R J 115 L
3 Lime Rickey Castellano J J 115 L
4 Out At Night Lezcano J 117 L
5 Al Khali Arroyo N Jr 115 L
6 Conservative Garcia Alan 115 L
7 Midnight Mischief Prado E S 115 L
8 Courageous Cat Desormeaux K J 117 L
9 Sal the Barber Dominguez R A 117 L
10 El Crespo Leparoux J R 122 L

[VOL JACK]

It's amazing how much better the field for the $150K G2 HoF is at Saratoga that the $400K G1 Secratariat was at Arlington.
I guess it shows how much connections want to win at the Spa.
With all these Fancy pedigrees, you would think the connections would be going after the G1.

I think Take the Points would be hard pressed to hit the board with this group.

[Sightseek]

It is a good group...but hard pressed? Didn't Take the Points finish in front of many of them save Straight Story?

[VOL JACK]

It is a good group...but hard pressed? Didn't Take the Points finish in front of many of them save Straight Story?

I think he had two candy trips at COL Downs.
Then he had a big pace edge / bias edge Saturday at Arl.

[ddthetide]

It is a good group...but hard pressed? Didn't Take the Points finish in front of many of them save Straight Story?
battle of hasting
straight story
take the points
lime ricky ?(i think was 4th)

[Scav]

I think he had two candy trips at COL Downs.
Then he had a big pace edge / bias edge Saturday at Arl.

Have you lost your mind?

The horse was 3-4 wide the entire time, not where you want to be on this course.....

[gales0678]

steve - who is/was cab calloway?

thx

[hockey2315]

steve - who is/was cab calloway?

thx

Say it with me: gooooo-gle

http://www.cabcallowayllc.com/biography/homelife.php

[RockHardTen1985]

Say it with me: gooooo-gle

http://www.cabcallowayllc.com/biography/homelife.php


Big Brownie scratches from opening day special weight to run in this spot.
What do you think ?

[VOL JACK]

Have you lost your mind?

The horse was 3-4 wide the entire time, not where you want to be on this course.....

Did you watch the races on Million Day?
You are acting like he had a bad trip.

[Scav]

Did you watch the races on Million Day?
You are acting like he had a bad trip.

So being 3 wide on both turns without cover is a good trip??

Keep on betting into the Arlington pools for me please....

You say speed was good, but speed was good on a completely different course, they have two courses, an inner and the million course on Million Day. The reason speed did so well on the earlier card was because they were on the inner, which is like Fairplex plus turf....

[VOL JACK]

So I guess Dynaforce won because she is just better than Pure Clan.

[Bobby Fischer]

set up well for take the points and blackbear island

[RockHardTen1985]

So I guess Dynaforce won because she is just better than Pure Clan.


I think Dynaforce is better. I dont think Pure Clan has ever run a race as good as Dynaforces Flower Bowl last year, or the Beverly D last week.
Pure Clan is decent at best IMO. Dynaforce might not be great, but is clearly more accomplished.

[NTamm1215]

I think Dynaforce is better. I dont think Pure Clan has ever run a race as good as Dynaforces Flower Bowl last year, or the Beverly D last week.
Pure Clan is decent at best IMO. Dynaforce might not be great, but is clearly more accomplished.

I disagree and happen to think Pure Clan is better. PC has proven she does not need certain turf conditions to be at her best and the race dynamics played out strongly in Dynaforce's favor last year.

What was so great about Dynaforce's Flower Bowl last year? How she waltzed along on a bog and kicked away late? That turf course was as ridiculous as any that's been run on in America over the last 5 years save the '07 BC.

NT

[Travis Stone]

Say it with me: gooooo-gle

What is this 'goooogle' you speak of?

[the_fat_man]

I disagree and happen to think Pure Clan is better. PC has proven she does not need certain turf conditions to be at her best and the race dynamics played out strongly in Dynaforce's favor last year.

What was so great about Dynaforce's Flower Bowl last year? How she waltzed along on a bog and kicked away late? That turf course was as ridiculous as any that's been run on in America over the last 5 years save the '07 BC.

NT

Kent took advantage of the way the course was playing at AP and the dynamics of the race. He moved too soon and, on any other day at AP (and any other fair course), PC CRUSHES her. But you need to give him credit, as he correctly read the situation. Ramon did the same thing with GIO: he moved him prematurely but got away with it on that day at that course. Of course, GIO is much better, relatively, than Dynaforce.

These races are both interesting from the 'got the jump on them' tripping perspective. Here's a RARE case where this was true and proved to be an advantage. The problem, of course, is that there are many more cases where getting the jump on them means getting the worst of it. That this distinction causes so many problems of interpretation for so many, continues to confuse the **** out of me.

Definitely agree with the 2nd part as well.

[VOL JACK]

Kent took advantage of the way the course was playing at AP and the dynamics of the race. He moved too soon and, on any other day at AP (and any other fair course), PC CRUSHES her. But you need to give him credit, as he correctly read the situation. Ramon did the same thing with GIO: he moved him prematurely but got away with it on that day at that course. Of course, GIO is much better, relatively, than Dynaforce.

These races are both interesting from the 'got the jump on them' tripping perspective. Here's a RARE case where this was true and proved to be an advantage. The problem, of course, is that there are many more cases where getting the jump on them means getting the worst of it. That this distinction causes so many problems of interpretation for so many, continues to confuse the **** out of me.

Definitely agree with the 2nd part as well.

Thank You!!

[smartyalex]

I think Dynaforce is better. I dont think Pure Clan has ever run a race as good as Dynaforces Flower Bowl last year, or the Beverly D last week.
Pure Clan is decent at best IMO. Dynaforce might not be great, but is clearly more accomplished.

Her two wins in the states came over the yielding turf. She's never really showed much on a firm course. However, seems to be much the best on an off track. As far as her being more "accomplished" than PC......poppycock!

[RockHardTen1985]

Her two wins in the states came over the yielding turf. She's never really showed much on a firm course. However, seems to be much the best on an off track. As far as her being more "accomplished" than PC......poppycock!

Ok, Pure Clan has one Grade 1 win, with the dream trip of the century. Dynaforce has 2, and a very close second in another. That very close second also came to champion Forever Together.
Pure Clan has a close second also, but that came in a restricted race for 3 yr olds and the horse who beat her is a total plodder IMO. Actually both of Pure Clans Grade 1 runs were restricted races. When Pure Clan began to face her elders she was crushed in the BC, Dynaforce finished ahead of her, although Dynaforce did not run well. She then lost to Acoma, who is ok and beat Dynaforce. Heads up Dynaforce has a 2-1 advantage.
Dynaforce was a bit off form and people began to think she was finished, I think the stats say Dynaforce is better.
Also I know a lot of people dont care about turf beyers, but Dynaforce has ran over a 100 4 times now. Pure Clan has never ran better then a 96 on any type of turf. I would also say her 96 is a bit suspect, the horses who ran second and third that day were 18-1 and 14-1 and have not been very good after.
One last point, I think its pretty safe to say the best filly Pure Clan has ever beat on turf is Dynaforce....
Dynaforce beat Mauralakana, who was really good last year. She also finished ahead of 8 fillies in The Diana last year, Formulator does not go back that far, but I am sure the competition was better then what Pure Clan has faced.

[Bobby Fischer]

neither Pure Clan or Dynaforce looked like they could win that race at Arlington. Dynaforce was there for any player who was sharp to surface and the bias to include her as one of several in that race for a pick3. However, not really a smart pick based on form alone.

[RockHardTen1985]

neither Pure Clan or Dynaforce looked like they could win that race at Arlington. Dynaforce was there for any player who was sharp to surface and the bias to include her as one of several in that race for a pick3. However, not really a smart pick based on form alone.

Form ? 3rd start off the bench has always been a good angle for many trainers. When I touted her before the race because of the expected rain, people said the rain would help everyone, that they all liked a little give.

[Bobby Fischer]

side note- i am surprised that Arlington is "only" 1,049 feet from last turn to finish line per DRF. It's a track that gives you the impression of a very long stretch. It is a very nice overall turf course though.

[Linny]

I think Dynaforce is better. I dont think Pure Clan has ever run a race as good as Dynaforces Flower Bowl last year, or the Beverly D last week.
Pure Clan is decent at best IMO. Dynaforce might not be great, but is clearly more accomplished.

You need to finish this sentence with "when the grass is soft." It was listed as "good" but the times indicate that it was mcuh softer than that. Dynaforce is a force, on soft ground.

[RockHardTen1985]

You need to finish this sentence with "when the grass is soft." It was listed as "good" but the times indicate that it was mcuh softer than that. Dynaforce is a force, on soft ground.

The head to head results and Grade 1 wins do not lie.

[smartyalex]

Ok, Pure Clan has one Grade 1 win, with the dream trip of the century. Dynaforce has 2, and a very close second in another. That very close second also came to champion Forever Together.
Pure Clan has a close second also, but that came in a restricted race for 3 yr olds and the horse who beat her is a total plodder IMO. Actually both of Pure Clans Grade 1 runs were restricted races. When Pure Clan began to face her elders she was crushed in the BC, Dynaforce finished ahead of her, although Dynaforce did not run well. She then lost to Acoma, who is ok and beat Dynaforce. Heads up Dynaforce has a 2-1 advantage.
Dynaforce was a bit off form and people began to think she was finished, I think the stats say Dynaforce is better.
Also I know a lot of people dont care about turf beyers, but Dynaforce has ran over a 100 4 times now. Pure Clan has never ran better then a 96 on any type of turf. I would also say her 96 is a bit suspect, the horses who ran second and third that day were 18-1 and 14-1 and have not been very good after.
One last point, I think its pretty safe to say the best filly Pure Clan has ever beat on turf is Dynaforce....
Dynaforce beat Mauralakana, who was really good last year. She also finished ahead of 8 fillies in The Diana last year, Formulator does not go back that far, but I am sure the competition was better then what Pure Clan has faced.

you're correct, PC did lose by a neck to Acoma in her first start this year (off an eight month layoff). However.....not correct was Dynaforce running 100+ Beyers in four races (I think it's three, and two were on off tracks). She also posted 80+ in two of her three most recent firm goings. We could go back and forth with what's on paper. My point was that I think Dynaforce is better on the off track where as PC is better on the firm going....which in this division I assume most Trainers hope their F&M's get come race time.

[the_fat_man]

As far as I can tell, PC ran in two 'off' turf races: the Garden City, where she was probably best but didn't have a clear run; and the Beverly D, where she was the only horse in the race to run against the setup. From this we're concluding that she needs a firm course?

The distinction between the two, as I see it, is that Dynaforce needs a perfect trip to win, and PC has shown, on a number of occasions, that she can run against the setup --- which, in my opinion, makes her a better horse.

[smartyalex]

As far as I can tell, PC ran in two 'off' turf races: the Garden City, where she was probably best but didn't have a clear run; and the Beverly D, where she was the only horse in the race to run against the setup. From this we're concluding that she needs a firm course?

The distinction between the two, as I see it, is that Dynaforce needs a perfect trip to win, and PC has shown, on a number of occasions, that she can run against the setup --- which, in my opinion, makes her a better horse.

very well put.

[RockHardTen1985]

you're correct, PC did lose by a neck to Acoma in her first start this year (off an eight month layoff). However.....not correct was Dynaforce running 100+ Beyers in four races (I think it's three, and two were on off tracks). She also posted 80+ in two of her three most recent firm goings. We could go back and forth with what's on paper. My point was that I think Dynaforce is better on the off track where as PC is better on the firm going....which in this division I assume most Trainers hope their F&M's get come race time.

She ran 3 up to the Beverly D, I looked those up on formulator. For some reasson I thought she ran a 101 in the Beverly D, so im sorry she has only ran 3. Her Beverly d was only a 97.... STILL 3 MORE 100'S THEN PC.