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Kasept
07-08-2009, 04:58 PM
7th (4:12) Man o' War S. (G1)

1 3/8 Miles (Inner turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 Musketier (GER) Jones J 116 L
2 Grand Couturier (GB) Garcia Alan 120 L
3 Quijano (GER) Starke A 123
4 Marsh Side Castellano J J 120 L
5 Interpatation Luzzi M J 116 L
6 Chinchon (IRE) Maragh R 116
7 Midships Espinoza V 123 L
8 Dancing Forever Velazquez J R 120 L
9 Gio Ponti Dominguez R A 123 L



8th (4:44) Lottsa Talc S.

7 Furlongs (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $65,000

1 Karakorum Fugitive Coa E M 115 L
2 Them There Eyes Espinoza J L 121 L
3 Meriwether Jessica Velasquez C 121 L
4 Mohegan Sky Dominguez R A 121 L
5 Here Comes Rita Maragh R 121 L
6 Weathered Luzzi M J 121 L
7 Canadian Ballet Garcia Alan 121 L
8 Absoulute Heaven Velazquez J R 119 L



9th (5:17)

6 Furlongs (Inner turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Maiden Special Weight | Purse: $43,000

1 Onzain Velazquez J R 118 L
2 Livin Large Castellano J J 118 L
3 Rock and Rune Espinoza J L 118 FTL
4 Lightning Dreams Bermudez J E 113 L
5 Jacob's Dream Arroyo N Jr 118 L
6 Fort McCoy Velasquez C 123 L
7 Goodandacceptable Arriaga A 118
8 One Turn Eddie Coa E M 118 FTL
9 Roma Di Notte Morales S 123 L


10th (5:49)

7 Furlongs (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Claiming ($25,000) | Purse: $22,000

1 Skyebay Arroyo N Jr 121 $25,000 L
2 Kick Up Your Heels Samyn J L 121 $25,000 L
3 Show Me the Cash Castellano J J 117 $25,000 L
4 Wayoutsidethebox Espinoza J L 121 $25,000 L
5 Suite Ernie B Coa E M 121 $25,000 L
6 Bartletts Luzzi M J 121 $25,000 L
7 Masterofthehouse Morales S 123 $25,000 L
8 Wild Way Garcia Alan 121 $25,000 L
9 Bordeaux Bandit Dominguez R A 121 $25,000 L
10 City Sneakers Velasquez C 121 $25,000 L
11 Intercoastal Castanon J L 121 $25,000 L
12 Mackinaw Casey A J 114 $25,000 L
MTO Sir Mott Casey A J 121 $25,000 L
MTO Timber Cruise Velasquez C 121 $25,000 L

A-Coupled: Suite Ernie B and City Sneakers

Bobby Fischer
07-08-2009, 07:57 PM
7th (4:12) Man o' War S. (G1)

1 3/8 Miles (Inner turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 Musketier (GER) Jones J 116 L
2 Grand Couturier (GB) Garcia Alan 120 L
3 Quijano (GER) Starke A 123
4 Marsh Side Castellano J J 120 L
5 Interpatation Luzzi M J 116 L
6 Chinchon (IRE) Maragh R 116
7 Midships Espinoza V 123 L
8 Dancing Forever Velazquez J R 120 L
9 Gio Ponti Dominguez R A 123 L



one of my favorite races

is this Midships first try out east? I haven't been following him closely enough IIRC he won a couple of big races (hopefully he won his last out) out west on the pace? Cool enough field.

my miss storm cat
07-08-2009, 08:08 PM
Quijano looked really good last month (at San Siro) after being kinda disappointing at Nad al but God... anyone remember the ten in a row he won a few years back?

I'm glad Starke has the mount. :)

Haven't looked at pp's yet but he's my sentimental pick.

Travis Stone
07-08-2009, 10:07 PM
The fields for the past two runnings of the Man O War would have never been so strong with its old spot on the calendar. One of the best stakes moves ever for NYRA.

the_fat_man
07-08-2009, 10:12 PM
Is Campo out of town? I notice they've actually carded a race beyond 9F on the turf at BEL.:rolleyes:

Travis Stone
07-08-2009, 10:27 PM
Is Campo out of town? I notice they've actually carded a race beyond 9F on the turf at BEL.:rolleyes:

He said something about a Trackus Field Trip sponsored by The Fat Man. I cannot find a story to confirm these reports.

the_fat_man
07-08-2009, 10:33 PM
He said something about a Trackus Field Trip sponsored by The Fat Man. I cannot find a story to confirm these reports.

Yeah

The Fat Man is well entrenched with his buddy Trakus over at WO. I get all the 5F, 5.5F, 6F, 6.5F, 7F... 10F, etc. races I can handle over there. Now, there's someone who understands that racing is MORE interesting when races are carded over different distances (even slightly different ones). Campo would be well served to follow him.

All that accurate data is icing.

Travis Stone
07-08-2009, 10:34 PM
Yeah

The Fat Man is well entrenched with his buddy Trakus over at WO. I get all the 5F, 6F, 6.5F, 7F... 10F, etc. races I can handle over there. Now, there's someone who understands that racing is MORE interesting when races are carded over different distances (even slightly different ones).

Not to mention all that accurate data.

We looked into at LAD, it's very costly... hard to justify at this point in time.

One could argue making it a "league" purchase like replay systems in the NFL or other various technologies if horse racing were healthy.

the_fat_man
07-08-2009, 10:35 PM
You gotta give me a couple of minutes to edit my posts. FatMan Productions is a ONE man operation. :rolleyes:

the_fat_man
07-08-2009, 10:39 PM
We looked into at LAD, it's very costly... hard to justify at this point in time.

One could argue making it a "league" purchase like replay systems in the NFL or other various technologies if horse racing were healthy.

You know why it's hard to justify? Because all the know it all horseplayers are focusing their efforts on all the other peripheral ****. It's all about lowering takeout, cleaning up the drugs, the ADW issues, etc.

There's only ONE issue for the horseplayer: accurate data. If you get accurate data and still can't win, you shouldn't be in the game. Unfortunately, and probably, all those begging for all the other changes probably realize this and, as a group, horseplayers will never make it their number one priority. Which means that tracks won't either. I mean, let's face it, what would tracks rather do, pay for Trakus or lower takeout?

hockey2315
07-09-2009, 01:22 PM
10-1 on Quijano is likely :rolleyes:

I'm totally against him, but I don't really see how he's not bet as one of the favorites.

The other Euro is a much more likely winner.

Gander
07-09-2009, 02:50 PM
Tough race to predict odds on, here goes mine:

1 Musketier 25/1
2 Grand Couturier 6/1
3 Quijano 8/1
4 Marsh Side 8/1
5 Interpatation 40/1
6 Chinchon 12/1
7 Midships 7/2
8 Dancing Forever 4/1
9 Gio Ponti 9/5

NTamm1215
07-09-2009, 03:06 PM
10-1 on Quijano is likely :rolleyes:

I'm totally against him, but I don't really see how he's not bet as one of the favorites.

The other Euro is a much more likely winner.

That horse doesn't exactly have a nose for the wire.

NT

hockey2315
07-09-2009, 04:10 PM
That horse doesn't exactly have a nose for the wire.

NT

You're right. But his last two were pretty nice against some very good horses.

Gander
07-09-2009, 04:19 PM
This is top to bottom a true Grade 1. You can make a case for just about anybody, and the horse most likely to be the chalk (Gio Ponti) may not want this distance. I dont like him or Midships in this spot, that I know. The Euros are always a guess and never win for me, which leads me to: Grand Couturier, Marsh SIde and Dancing Forever.

Who do you think of these 3 has the best shot?

Sightseek
07-09-2009, 08:26 PM
Good article by Crist about race names:

http://www.drf.com/drfNewsArticle.do?NID=105386&subs=0&arc=0

freddymo
07-09-2009, 08:27 PM
This is top to bottom a true Grade 1. You can make a case for just about anybody, and the horse most likely to be the chalk (Gio Ponti) may not want this distance. I dont like him or Midships in this spot, that I know. The Euros are always a guess and never win for me, which leads me to: Grand Couturier, Marsh SIde and Dancing Forever.

Who do you think of these 3 has the best shot?


Wow just goes to show you how horrendous US based Turf running are.. Please this is dog biscuit city save Gio Ponte

CSC
07-10-2009, 03:25 PM
You're right. But his last two were pretty nice against some very good horses.

My opinion regarding Quijano from personal exp and without looking at the pp's mind you is he is the type of horse you bet and more than likely he will find a way to dissapoint now granted he has run in some very tough spots. But there is just enough of an uneasy feeling in me to not totally dismiss him, ie. his race in Hong Kong a few yrs ago. If he's long in odds I may be coerced into punching his button again .

Gaelic Storm
07-10-2009, 03:54 PM
Dancing Forever will be very tough to beat. As the second or third choice he should be a good play for tri as he should be in the money.

CSC
07-10-2009, 04:34 PM
Yeah, he's highly logical and an include in most pick 3's and 4's. In a field like this I'm just looking for a little more bang for the buck.

Bobby Fischer
07-10-2009, 04:57 PM
is there a free online PPs for the Man o War?
DRF ROW ROD? // Bris?

I might end up buying the form but I like to have something to read:D

CSC
07-11-2009, 11:00 AM
I like Marsh Side.

Pedigree Ann
07-11-2009, 01:13 PM
Good article by Crist about race names:

http://www.drf.com/drfNewsArticle.do?NID=105386&subs=0&arc=0

I don't understand why the media types don't even mention why various races have certain names in their reports. They could impart a lot of the rich history of the sport that way. Let's face it - a number of our big races have names that sound bizarre to the general public. The Go for Wand S, for example. If the writer or broadcaster explained that the race was named for a champion filly who died on the track and that it was previously named for Maskette, a champion of 100 years ago, it would become understandable and make part of the sport less opaque to those on the fringes.

Travis Stone
07-11-2009, 01:19 PM
I don't understand why the media types don't even mention why various races have certain names in their reports. They could impart a lot of the rich history of the sport that way. Let's face it - a number of our big races have names that sound bizarre to the general public. The Go for Wand S, for example. If the writer or broadcaster explained that the race was named for a champion filly who died on the track and that it was previously named for Maskette, a champion of 100 years ago, it would become understandable and make part of the sport less opaque to those on the fringes.

I don't think stake names are going to make/break horse racing.

brockguy
07-11-2009, 02:00 PM
If the ground is on the quick side, you'd have to rule Quijano out and side with Chinchon. He might be a bit of a dog but his run in HK is top notch. Distance looks absolutely ideal too.

freddymo
07-11-2009, 02:57 PM
I don't understand why the media types don't even mention why various races have certain names in their reports. They could impart a lot of the rich history of the sport that way. Let's face it - a number of our big races have names that sound bizarre to the general public. The Go for Wand S, for example. If the writer or broadcaster explained that the race was named for a champion filly who died on the track and that it was previously named for Maskette, a champion of 100 years ago, it would become understandable and make part of the sport less opaque to those on the fringes.

Sadly isnt only about the BC and Triple Crown races.. Sadly since the advent of the Breeders Cup the classic stakes have been religated to preps

The Indomitable DrugS
07-11-2009, 04:17 PM
I can't believe Durkin called that "a star studded field" ... that field was loaded with bums.

eajinabi
07-11-2009, 04:22 PM
I can't believe Durkin called that "a star studded field" ... that field was loaded with bums.

Not sure if it was star-studed but certainly wasnt a bunch of bums either. The entire field combined to win 7 G1s in thier past

The Indomitable DrugS
07-11-2009, 04:25 PM
Someone has to win those Grade 1's. That was one of the worst Man O' War fields ever.

eajinabi
07-11-2009, 04:34 PM
Someone has to win those Grade 1's. That was one of the worst Man O' War fields ever.

(Shrug)

The Indomitable DrugS
07-11-2009, 05:25 PM
Arriaga should go to River Downs... or take up Jai-Li

Kasept
07-12-2009, 07:27 AM
Arriaga should go to River Downs... or take up Jai-Li
Douglas,

Amen. That was some performance on 10-1 Goodandacceptable in the 9th.