View Full Version : Is there any air left at Santa Anita?
Coach Pants
10-25-2008, 06:02 PM
Doesn't sound like it.
;)
fpsoxfan
10-25-2008, 06:10 PM
Screw that place!
Danzig
10-25-2008, 06:13 PM
so does this mean that curlin is no longer one of the best ever? does it drop him to best in the last 25 years, or he's not even that now? :rolleyes:
i bet jess jackson is kicking himself, and i bet he wishes the chrb had never made that mandate.
but wishes don't mean squat.
fpsoxfan
10-25-2008, 06:14 PM
What a shiathole!
letswastemoney
10-25-2008, 06:19 PM
maybe best of the last 24 years now ;)
ddthetide
10-25-2008, 06:21 PM
fake dirt = grass:wf
SilverRP
10-25-2008, 06:23 PM
fake dirt = grass:wf
That's sure what it looks like. why even run on turf anymore?
TitanSooner
10-25-2008, 10:58 PM
don't adapt.. whatever you do.. keep blaming surfaces so the rest of us can make money..
funny thing is if they didn't tell you it wasn't dirt.. you would, most likely, never know the difference.
Hickory Hill Hoff
10-25-2008, 11:00 PM
What a shiathole!
Where you disappear? :confused:
pba1817
10-25-2008, 11:04 PM
don't adapt.. whatever you do.. keep blaming surfaces so the rest of us can make money..
funny thing is if they didn't tell you it wasn't dirt.. you would, most likely, never know the difference.
I think they should install that stuff that is on the inner dirt track at Aqueduct everywhere, because that is by far the fairest racing surface I have ever seen.
I think they should install that stuff that is on the inner dirt track at Aqueduct everywhere, because that is by far the fairest racing surface I have ever seen.
Did I just read that correctly??
pba1817
10-25-2008, 11:08 PM
Did I just read that correctly??
Yes you did, you don't agree?
fpsoxfan
10-25-2008, 11:19 PM
I think they should install that stuff that is on the inner dirt track at Aqueduct everywhere, because that is by far the fairest racing surface I have ever seen.
:eek:
Hickory Hill Hoff
10-25-2008, 11:20 PM
:eek:
back from the dead??? eh?
fpsoxfan
10-25-2008, 11:25 PM
very tough day! :zz:
Hickory Hill Hoff
10-25-2008, 11:26 PM
very tough day! :zz:
at least you didn't have to drive 14 miles home!
....but it was a GOOD day! :$:
Yes you did, you don't agree?
Unless there is another Aqueduct Race Track, that is located somewhere other than Jamaica, NY, then no I don't agree.
There are many days at Aqueduct I could don a horse costume and ride that rail to the winners circle.
blackthroatedwind
10-26-2008, 07:44 AM
don't adapt.. whatever you do.. keep blaming surfaces so the rest of us can make money..
funny thing is if they didn't tell you it wasn't dirt.. you would, most likely, never know the difference.
You're kidding....right?
It's turf. It has nothing to do with whether or not you make money betting on it. It is NOT a dirt surface and zero DIRT championships were actually decided this weekend at Santa Anita.
The discussion has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not one can make money betting on it.
Danzig
10-26-2008, 08:57 AM
You're kidding....right?
It's turf. It has nothing to do with whether or not you make money betting on it. It is NOT a dirt surface and zero DIRT championships were actually decided this weekend at Santa Anita.
The discussion has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not one can make money betting on it.
what he said.
2Hot4TV
10-26-2008, 09:45 AM
You're kidding....right?
It's turf. It has nothing to do with whether or not you make money betting on it. It is NOT a dirt surface and zero DIRT championships were actually decided this weekend at Santa Anita.
The discussion has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not one can make money betting on it.
He called Santa Anita a s h i t h o l e and since his broke a s s cant afford a plane ticket to ever see the facility he should keep his focus on the surface and not Santa Anita in general as stated.
Everybody knew what they were going to race on and that made it an even playing field. I didn't see a single poly track specialist stealing a race this yesterday.
TitanSooner
10-26-2008, 10:40 AM
You're kidding....right?
It's turf. It has nothing to do with whether or not you make money betting on it. It is NOT a dirt surface and zero DIRT championships were actually decided this weekend at Santa Anita.
The discussion has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not one can make money betting on it.
I re-read what I wrote, and you are probably right..
I guess I only have a problem with those that constantly use the surface as an excuse.. you know what you're getting into going in. You obviously have to take the surface into consideration while handicapping.. Plenty did, and plenty did well.
As for the Aqueduct Inner Dirt statement.. I'm sure that was tongue in cheek.
Congrats to all those who hit big this weekend.
The defeat of Curlin had nothing to do with the surface, more the fact that he isn't quite the horse he was, coupled with being taken on by better horses than he's faced before. Simple, really, and no excuses.
Danzig
10-26-2008, 10:57 AM
The defeat of Curlin had nothing to do with the surface, more the fact that he isn't quite the horse he was, coupled with being taken on by better horses than he's faced before. Simple, really, and no excuses.
i disagree. that surface helped the top two finishers immensely. and i think curlin yesterday was the same horse he's been. no shame in losing to the top two, and taking nothing away from their wins-but do you really think the outcome would have been the same without pro-ride?
10 pnt move up
10-26-2008, 11:04 AM
zero DIRT championships were actually decided this weekend at Santa Anita.
I don't know why you would say that Zenyatta didn't wrap up a dirt championship as well this weekend given her run on both surfaces this year.
i disagree. that surface helped the top two finishers immensely. and i think curlin yesterday was the same horse he's been. no shame in losing to the top two, and taking nothing away from their wins-but do you really think the outcome would have been the same without pro-ride?
Beforehand I struggled to envisage Raven's Pass seeing out 1m2f. Johnny G and he proved me wrong in a big way, showing himself the tip-top performer he's promised to be for a long time. Curlin ran his race, not quite as well as 12 months ago, but the balance of evidence suggests that he's not quite the horse of this time last year, the surface surely immaterial. He was simply coming up against a better calibre of horse than he's faced this season.
Hickory Hill Hoff
10-26-2008, 11:13 AM
The defeat of Curlin had nothing to do with the surface, more the fact that he isn't quite the horse he was, coupled with being taken on by better horses than he's faced before. Simple, really, and no excuses.
I agree almost with all you said, but the "better horses he faced" statement is questionable....somewhat. ;)
SilverRP
10-26-2008, 11:24 AM
The defeat of Curlin had nothing to do with the surface, more the fact that he isn't quite the horse he was, coupled with being taken on by better horses than he's faced before. Simple, really, and no excuses.
Would Raven's Pass even had been in the race if it was raced on dirt?
letswastemoney
10-26-2008, 11:32 AM
Ventura would have never been in that race if it were real dirt.
10 pnt move up
10-26-2008, 11:37 AM
Would Raven's Pass even had been in the race if it was raced on dirt?
what does that have to do with anything? Would Goldikova been in the mile if it was not on turf?
I agree almost with all you said, but the "better horses he faced" statement is questionable....somewhat. ;)
When did Curlin last face a horse (let alone three) rated in the 130s? I'm going to suggest not for a long time, perhaps ever.
10 pnt move up
10-26-2008, 11:50 AM
I agree almost with all you said, but the "better horses he faced" statement is questionable....somewhat. ;)
that was by far the best field Curlin faced this year.
Danzig
10-26-2008, 12:12 PM
that was by far the best field Curlin faced this year.
yeah, it was.
Samarta
10-26-2008, 05:57 PM
Unless there is another Aqueduct Race Track, that is located somewhere other than Jamaica, NY, then no I don't agree.
There are many days at Aqueduct I could don a horse costume and ride that rail to the winners circle.
That may be the best quote in the history of any message board. :D
Cajungator26
10-26-2008, 09:25 PM
That may be the best quote in the history of any message board. :D
Now now ... let's not give Kev a big head. :D
parsixfarms
10-26-2008, 09:46 PM
It's turf. ...It is NOT a dirt surface and zero DIRT championships were actually decided this weekend at Santa Anita.
A synthetic surface is not turf, but if it is, then that explains why guys like Lukas and Zito never seem to win races over these surfaces.
Actually, I think that Zenyatta, Stardom Bound and Midshipman clinched championships, and Ventura made a case for one (although I would support Intangaroo for her campaign consisting of three Grade I wins).
geeker2
10-26-2008, 09:55 PM
Unless there is another Aqueduct Race Track, that is located somewhere other than Jamaica, NY, then no I don't agree.
There are many days at Aqueduct I could don a horse costume and ride that rail to the winners circle.
Kev - are you in the back or front?
1051
Kev - are you in the back or front?
1051
Clearly I am always the horses ass:)
pba1817
10-26-2008, 10:55 PM
You're kidding....right?
It's turf. It has nothing to do with whether or not you make money betting on it. It is NOT a dirt surface and zero DIRT championships were actually decided this weekend at Santa Anita.
The discussion has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not one can make money betting on it.
Santa Anita's Pro-Ride is fair, its legit, and here to stay. Bad horses are still bad on it, good horses are still good on it. No speed bias, no closer bias, no inside/outside bias. The most logical, fittest, and better horses ran well and won there during the breeders cup. Curlin would have won too if Albarado would have given him a proper ride, instead of riding him like the win was a foregone conclusion and the only thing in question was the lengths between him and the rest of the field.
The stuff should be installed at every track in the world.
Santa Anita's Pro-Ride is fair, its legit, and here to stay. Bad horses are still bad on it, good horses are still good on it. No speed bias, no closer bias, no inside/outside bias. The most logical, fittest, and better horses ran well and won there during the breeders cup. Curlin would have won too if Albarado would have given him a proper ride, instead of riding him like the win was a foregone conclusion and the only thing in question was the lengths between him and the rest of the field.
The stuff should be installed at every track in the world.
:wf
pba1817
10-26-2008, 11:03 PM
I win again!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
I win again!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Yes you do. Congrats on being named Clueless Poster of the Month.
pba1817
10-26-2008, 11:59 PM
You guys are WAAAAAYY too easy to piss off....
pba1817
10-27-2008, 01:25 AM
You are pissed... and now you cannot do anything about it except try to divurt the focal point back to me. Now go be pissed in another thread...
letswastemoney
10-27-2008, 02:16 AM
Santa Anita's Pro-Ride is fair, its legit, and here to stay. Bad horses are still bad on it, good horses are still good on it. No speed bias, no closer bias, no inside/outside bias. The most logical, fittest, and better horses ran well and won there during the breeders cup.
So I guess Hystericalady and Ginger Punch are bad horses....lol
Bigsmc
10-27-2008, 04:32 AM
You are pissed... and now you cannot do anything about it except try to divurt the focal point back to me. Now go be pissed in another thread...
Oh my God.
You are pissed... and now you cannot do anything about it except try to divurt the focal point back to me. Now go be pissed in another thread...
Partner...you don't own enough of me to piss me off.
pba1817
10-27-2008, 01:31 PM
So I guess Hystericalady and Ginger Punch are bad horses....lol
Of course not, but they had bad days... is that not logical to you, or are bad days only allowed when you run on a traditional dirt track?
pba1817
10-27-2008, 01:32 PM
Oh my God.
Where did oh my god come from??
viscount26
10-27-2008, 01:42 PM
Clearly I am always the horses ass:)
:tro: :tro:
:tro: :tro:
Beat you to it:D
viscount26
10-27-2008, 01:45 PM
I wasn't paying enough attention. The thought of Aquaduct's winter surface and all
:D :D
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