10/25 (BC): BC Classic (Final)

[Kasept]

9th (3:45) Breeders' Cup Classic (G1)

1 1/4 Miles (All Weather Track) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $5,000,000


1 Go Between (Gomez G K/Mott William I) 126 L 8-1
2 Casino Drive (Espinoza V/Fujisawa Kazuo) 121 10-1
3 Tiago (Smith M E/Shirreffs John) 126 L 15-1
4 Duke of Marmalade (IRE) (Murtagh J P /O'Brien Aidan P) 126 10-1
5 Henrythenavigator (Velazquez J R /O'Brien Aidan P) 121 L 10-1
6 Smooth Air (Cruz M R/Stutts Bennie F Jr) 121 L 50-1
7 Student Council (Bridgmohan S X/Asmussen Steven M) 126 L 20-1
8 Raven's Pass (Dettori L/Gosden John H M) 121 L 6-1
9 Curlin (Albarado R J/Asmussen Steven M) 126 L 7-5
10 Fairbanks (Migliore R/Pletcher Todd A 126 L 10-1
11 Colonel John (Prado E S/Harty Eoin) 121 L 20-1
12 Champs Elysees (GB) (Garcia Alan/Frankel Robert) 126 Blk-On L 15-1

Exacta / Trifecta Superfecta / Daily Double Pick 3 (Races 9-10-11) / Super Hi 5

[Alan07]

http://drf.com/news/article/99056.html

[brockguy]

John Velasquez booked on the Coolmore horse that Murtagh doesnt want apparantly..

[Handicappy]

Classic

Curlin – Asmussen
Go Between – Mott
Casino Drive - Fujisawa (1)
Colonel John – Harty
Tiago – Shirreffs
Pyro – Asmussen (1)
Student Council – Asmussen
Champs Elysees - Frankel
Smooth Air - Stutts
Duke of Marmalade – O’Brien
Henrythenavigator – O’Brien
Mast Track - Frankel (1)
Raven’s Pass – Gosden (1)
Awesome Gem - Dollase (1)
Fairbanks - Pletcher (2)
Well Armed - Harty (2)
I keep thinking that this is Colonel John's/Tiago's territory. Then I am reminded of that forceful win by Invasor over what appeared to be an unbeatable 3 yr old named Bernadini. And then I am reminded of that 59 Curlin just worked over the track in his usual effortless fashion. I think Curlin is rounding out at just the right time after a couple of dull (for him) races that he seems to have around that time of year. I think we are dreaming if we think anyone, even Casino Drive, can take him down. And I know that I don't want anyone to. He has gotten my respect this year. He deserves to go out the way he came in.

[letswastemoney]

I keep thinking that this is Colonel John's/Tiago's territory. Then I am reminded of that forceful win by Invasor over what appeared to be an unbeatable 3 yr old named Bernadini. And then I am reminded of that 59 Curlin just worked over the track in his usual effortless fashion. I think Curlin is rounding out at just the right time after a couple of dull (for him) races that he seems to have around that time of year. I think we are dreaming if we think anyone, even Casino Drive, can take him down. And I know that I don't want anyone to. He has gotten my respect this year. He deserves to go out the way he came in.People said that no one could take Bernardini down, and look what happened.

People said that Big Brown was a lock in the Belmont and look what happened.

I am tired of people thinking horses are an automatic lock! It wouldn't surprise me if any of those horses won the Classic, except for Smooth Air...that's the only one that would surprise me.

[mclem0822]

Classic

Curlin – Asmussen
Go Between – Mott
Casino Drive - Fujisawa (1)
Colonel John – Harty
Tiago – Shirreffs
Pyro – Asmussen (1)
Student Council – Asmussen
Champs Elysees - Frankel
Smooth Air - Stutts
Duke of Marmalade – O’Brien
Henrythenavigator – O’Brien
Mast Track - Frankel (1)
Raven’s Pass – Gosden (1)
Awesome Gem - Dollase (1)
Fairbanks - Pletcher (2)
Well Armed - Harty (2)Do we know yet who will ride Casino Drive? Kent D, now that BB is out?

[Alan07]

Dettori to ride Raven's Pass in Classic

[Bobby Fischer]

Dettori to ride Raven's Pass in Classic


Great !

Are Duke of Marmalade and HenrytheNavigator commited to running in the Classic as well?

Ravens Pass is a nice horse.

[Kasept]

Great !

Are Duke of Marmalade and HenrytheNavigator commited to running in the Classic as well?

Ravens Pass is a nice horse.
The field is at the top of the thread.

[Thunder Gulch]

Anyone care to take a shot at the morning line? I'm wondering what kind of price I'll see on Colonel John and Student Council.:zz:

[robfla]

http://www.easyodds.com/compareodds/horseracing/antepost/m/133972-9-1.html

Student Council = ~20:1
Col. John = ~10:1

[Kasept]

Watchmaker's Graded Entries..

Curlin 8-5
Go Between 12-1
Duke of Marmalade 6-1
Raven’s Pass 10-1
Henrythenavigator off 8-1
Casino Drive 15-1
Well Armed 12-1
Tiago 15-1
Colonel John 15-1
Student Council 30-1
Champs Elysees 20-1
Mast Track 30-1
Pyro 20-1
Smooth Air 30-1

Also Eligible (in order of preference)
Fairbanks (Marathon) 30-1
Awesome Gem 30-1

[Kasept]

You know, for all the complaints about horses careers continuing, 3 of the top 5 finishers from last year's Classic are in this race, (Curlin, Awesome Gem, Tiago), as well as I think 3 other former BC participants in Pyro, Student Council and Go Between...

[Danzig]

just wondering what criteria they use to decide a horse like casino drive is in, while awesome gem and fairbanks are ae's?

[philcski]

You know, for all the complaints about horses careers continuing, 3 of the top 5 finishers from last year's Classic are in this race, (Curlin, Awesome Gem, Tiago), as well as I think 3 other former BC participants in Pyro, Student Council and Go Between...

Don't think he's run before, but point well taken.

[Danzig]

and i just saw that bids for the 20% interest in curlin are due by 11/5. keeneland is handling the sale of midnights cry's share. i'd think that the odds of him running again pst-bc are now between slim and none.

[Dunbar]

You know, for all the complaints about horses careers continuing, 3 of the top 5 finishers from last year's Classic are in this race, (Curlin, Awesome Gem, Tiago), as well as I think 3 other former BC participants in Pyro, Student Council and Go Between...

Interesting!

[cakes44]

Don't think he's run before, but point well taken.

I'm pretty sure Student Council hasn't run in the BC either.

[odbaxter]

Watchmaker's Graded Entries..

Curlin 8-5
Go Between 12-1
Duke of Marmalade 6-1
Raven’s Pass 10-1
Henrythenavigator off 8-1
Casino Drive 15-1
Well Armed 12-1
Tiago 15-1
Colonel John 15-1
Student Council 30-1
Champs Elysees 20-1
Mast Track 30-1
Pyro 20-1
Smooth Air 30-1

Also Eligible (in order of preference)
Fairbanks (Marathon) 30-1
Awesome Gem 30-1

Casino Drive should be 50-1. 3 races lifetime with at least 6 millionaires in the field. COME ON!!!

[Bobby Fischer]

Synthetic Stinks, but this is one heck of a great betting race.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Has the three European invaders raced on dirt or poly over there.....they should be in 30-1 to 50-1 range if not also.

[declansharbor]

Whats with Champs Elysees taking a shot in the Classic and not being cross-entered into a more logical spot?

[Danzig]

well armed, according to harty, is aiming for the dirt mile rather than the classic-but it's not 'set in stone'...mast track is now headed for the classic with the defection of big brown.

[Kasept]

Speaking of the Euros... Anyone notice on RAVEN'S PASS...? Sibling?

Half to that game 3X stakes winner... GIGAWATT!

Go figure. I always liked Gigawatt.

[Danzig]

Has the three European invaders raced on dirt or poly over there.....they should be in 30-1 to 50-1 range if not also.

not sure why running on dirt would be a requirement, since they won't be running on dirt next wknd. however, they are all turfers-and it's pretty much a given that a turfer for the most part can handle an AWT, unlike many traditional dirt horses.
also, they're all multiple group one winners, unlike one time gr 2 winner casino drive. he's not in their league as far as accomplishments go. he's presumed talented, while they're proven.

[hockey2315]

Whats with Champs Elysees taking a shot in the Classic and not being cross-entered into a more logical spot?

I actually think Champs Elysees has a better shot to win the Classic. . .

[Danzig]

Whats with Champs Elysees taking a shot in the Classic and not being cross-entered into a more logical spot?

not surprising that a lot of turfers will be attempting the main track-more money for one; the belief that AWT translates to turfers better than those who are traditional dirt horses is another. if that holds true and turfers rule on the main, it will make next year that much more interesting--and you'll probably hear howls of protest from our dirt connections here as well.

[declansharbor]

I actually think Champs Elysees has a better shot to win the Classic. . .

Is that due to the competition or the questions surrounding the surface? Or both?

[hrfan]

I agree....
When you say this, are you saying a realistic shot to win the classic, or just a better shot to win the classic over the turf ? ? I give him no shot at all in the classic.

[hrfan]

I think he has a realistic shot to win the Classic. The fact you don't only makes me like him even more.
good luck with that one.

[hockey2315]

Is that due to the competition or the questions surrounding the surface? Or both?

I think his best race in America was his Santa Anita Handicap. . . He closed nicely behind Heatseeker and Go Between. If he were to improve a little bit off of that he'd be a legit contender in the Classic, while nothing he's ever done on turf makes me think he has any semblance of a shot in that race.

[declansharbor]

I think his best race in America was his Santa Anita Handicap. . . He closed nicely behind Heatseeker and Go Between. If he were to improve a little bit off of that he'd be a legit contender in the Classic, while nothing he's ever done on turf makes me think he has any semblance of a shot in that race.

I agree about his best race this year being the SA Handicap. However, he will not be on any horizontal tickets of mine, and will probably include only as a bottom rung exotic filler. I guess when you look at it, he has just a good a shot to hit the board in the Classic, then he does in any other race. And with the purse of the Classic being the highest, it seems logical from that standpoint.

[hockey2315]

I'm not saying he's my pick to win the race. . . but I may use him. I would never touch him in the Turf, though.

[Pedigree Ann]

Speaking of the Euros... Anyone notice on RAVEN'S PASS...? Sibling?

Half to that game 3X stakes winner... GIGAWATT!

Go figure. I always liked Gigawatt.

I loved their mum, Ascutney. She was a 2x SW at 2 on the turf (Miesque S-G3) and a full sister to 5x SW Words of War, dam of E Dubai and G1 winner No Matter What.

[hrfan]

It's a stab, but he has as good a shot as Tiago or Casino Drive IMO and will be a MUCH bigger price than both. Like I said, having your mush nowhere near him might just be the thing to get him home.
my pick to win this race is Go Between, i want that to be clear, i will use tiago, casino drive, and go between in all pick 3 and 4's, but if i make a win bet, it will be on Go Between

[Cajungator26]

Thanks for clearing it up. I'm sure people were wondering.

Now that he's phucked Go Between's chances of winning ... :mad:

[alysheba4]

I actually think Champs Elysees has a better shot to win the Classic. . . no doubt, he run huge in his lone try on the synth.....i dont know if the pace will be that hot.

[zippyneedsawin]

my pick to win this race is Go Between, i want that to be clear, i will use tiago, casino drive, and go between in all pick 3 and 4's, but if i make a win bet, it will be on Go Between

Well, I was already tossing Tiago and Casino Drive.. I have no problem tossing GB too.

[odbaxter]

Well, I was already tossing Tiago and Casino Drive.. I have no problem tossing GB too.

I can understand tossing Tiago and Casino Drive, but why Go Between.
Casino Drive is an easy toss, Tiago more difficult but you have to draw the line. Go Between seems pretty logical to me.

[zippyneedsawin]

I can understand tossing Tiago and Casino Drive, but why Go Between.
Casino Drive is an easy toss, Tiago more difficult but you have to draw the line. Go Between seems pretty logical to me.
I'm kidding.. just playing along...

[CSC]

Any shot Curlin goes off at 5/2 in the Classic with the pro ride question mark? If so I think given this field that would be a price that is interesting.

[cakes44]

No chance. However, you might be able to get something like 6/5 on him if you like him that much. Once all that Japanese $$ on Casino Drive gets into the pools ala Deep Impact in the Arc, I'm guessing most people should be satisfied with the prices they get on the animal they like...unless it's Casino Drive.

[King Glorious]

Curlin is 7/5 ml
Raven's Pass is 6/1 second choice.
Go Between 8/1
Duke, Henry, Casino all at 10/1
Colonel John 20/1
Fairbanks 10/1
Champs and Tiago 15/1
Student Council 20/1
Smooth Air 50/1

[Antitrust32]

Curlin is 7/5 ml
Raven's Pass is 6/1 second choice.
Go Between 8/1
Duke, Henry, Casino all at 10/1
Colonel John 20/1
Fairbanks 10/1
Champs and Tiago 15/1
Student Council 20/1
Smooth Air 50/1


I'd like a Go Between/Student Council/Flacco's Pass exacta box please. 2 dollah.

[Kasept]

Breeders' Cup Classic (G1)

The field, in post-position order, with jockey, and morning-line odds:

1. Go Between, Garrett Gomez, 8-to-1;

2. Casino Drive, Victor Espinoza, 10-to-1;

3. Tiago, Mike Smith, 15-to-1;

4. Duke of Marmalade, Johnny Murtagh, 10-to-1;

5. Henrythenavigator, John Velazquez, 10-to-1;

6. Smooth Air, Manoel Cruz, 50-to-1;

7. Student Council, Shaun Bridgmohan, 20-to-1;

8. Raven's Pass, Frankie Dettori, 6-to-1;

9. Curlin, Robby Albarado, 7-to-5;

10. Fairbanks, Richard Migliore, 10-to-1;

11. Colonel John, Edgar Prado, 20-to-1;

12. Champs Elysees, Alan Garcia, 15-to-1.

[ateamstupid]

Can someone tell me how Fairbanks is 10-1? Did I miss something?

[Bobby Fischer]

Can someone tell me how Fairbanks is 10-1? Did I miss something?

shamps illy-zay ?

[Scav]

I'm not sure who did the lines, but the few I have seen are horrible. Raven's Pass is second choice?

Yeah, that is ridiculous, I couldnt' believe that, gotta be Battaglia

[Coach Pants]

What a horrible race.

[NTamm1215]

This is vindication for Brad Thomas, who received a great deal of criticism last year when he made the lines as the races were drawn. He did an outstanding job compared to this year.

NT

[letswastemoney]

Can someone tell me how Fairbanks is 10-1? Did I miss something?
Fairbanks is a monster lol

[the_fat_man]

This is vindication for Brad Thomas, who received a great deal of criticism last year when he made the lines as the races were drawn. He did an outstanding job compared to this year.

NT

Finally got to see Thomas without those HUGE shades and, as it turns out, I remember him from the '80's at BEL/AQU. Would see him with his 'partner' taking notes in front of some monitor during the running of the races, always engaged in discussion about the trips. They both would have a couple of bags with stacks of paper (their NOTES, I suppose).

Vindication for BT, IMO, would be ACTUALLY WINNING AT THE RACES, i.e. SHOWING A CONSISTENT PROFIT, rather than basically wasting his time doing color/morning lines for MTH/MED. What's next for him: posting on DT or PA?

[King Glorious]

This is vindication for Brad Thomas, who received a great deal of criticism last year when he made the lines as the races were drawn. He did an outstanding job compared to this year.

NT

One person doing a horrible job doesn't vindicate another person that did a horrible job. It just means that two people have done horrible jobs.

[Coach Pants]

:rolleyes:


TRAKUS....KEENELAND.....MIKE LUZZI.....BRAD THOMAS......SEBASTIAN MORALES....BIKE RIDING....GIRLY DOGS....THE BACHELORETTE....HOT CHICKS....BOBBY FISCHER......IGGY BIN.....HEAD ON REPLAYS......CALRACING......LUCK......:zz:
I laughed.


Don't forget the new one...

PUMPED HEAVILY BY LUZZI

[docicu3]

:rolleyes:


TRAKUS....KEENELAND.....MIKE LUZZI.....BRAD THOMAS......SEBASTIAN MORALES....BIKE RIDING....GIRLY DOGS....THE BACHELORETTE....HOT CHICKS....BOBBY FISCHER......IGGY BIN.....HEAD ON REPLAYS......CALRACING......LUCK......:zz:

Post of the year material above....perhaps a DT Eclipse is in his future.

EDGAR PRADO has to be added here as do any number of other Hall of Fame jocks who are obvious "frauds".

[Bobby Fischer]

Raven's Pass is second choice?
Weird, because Henrythenavigator has been the clear favorite of the 3 invaders in ALL the betting markets like the greek ladbrokes, william hill...

Now the ml comes out and Raven's Pass is significantly lower. :confused:


and now currently Willhill just has all 3 at 7/1 :confused:


BF's multiple conspiracy choice:
-----------------
a) something happened in the last few days :D
b) the linesmaker tried to handicap on his own rather than the crowd
c) the ml was suggested by bookmakers like willhill to manipulate action
d) peloTON

[miraja2]

Post of the year material above.
Unfortunately for DaHoss, sumitas locked up that award months ago.

[OkieMax]

So I'm hoping this works.

Seems to me that the smart play in this race is the Super. The pool is going to be through the roof, and as long as you have the "order" right underneath Curlin, it might pay a grand or better. I like the Euros in some of these, but in the Classic, I think it's likely they'll be completely off the board. Go for the bombs underneath in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th.

Again, hope my initial post works...., and I look forward to visiting this site on a regular basis.

[hockey2315]

Interesting that Murtagh chose Duke over Henry. . .

[Scav]

So I'm hoping this works.

Seems to me that the smart play in this race is the Super. The pool is going to be through the roof, and as long as you have the "order" right underneath Curlin, it might pay a grand or better. I like the Euros in some of these, but in the Classic, I think it's likely they'll be completely off the board. Go for the bombs underneath in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th.

Again, hope my initial post works...., and I look forward to visiting this site on a regular basis.

Welcome to the board.

I think Tiago and Student Council have decent shots at hitting the board

[miraja2]

Interesting that Murtagh chose Duke over Henry. . .
I think Henry is EXTREMELY unlikely here. He's 75-1 in this spot as far as I am concerned.
Murtagh has a much better chance on Duke of Marmalade.

[Bobby Fischer]

I think Henry is EXTREMELY unlikely here. He's 75-1 in this spot as far as I am concerned.
WOW "oh my god"

any reasons ?

[GBBob]

Welcome to the board.

I think Tiago and Student Council have decent shots at hitting the board

Try and build a Pick 6 ticket and then try and throw out horses in the Classic on your Pick 6 ticket, final leg....ain't easy

[miraja2]

So I'm hoping this works.

Seems to me that the smart play in this race is the Super. The pool is going to be through the roof, and as long as you have the "order" right underneath Curlin, it might pay a grand or better. I like the Euros in some of these, but in the Classic, I think it's likely they'll be completely off the board. Go for the bombs underneath in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th.

Again, hope my initial post works...., and I look forward to visiting this site on a regular basis.
I actually think Fairbanks is a must-include in any exotics. He isn't much, but this race should set up perfectly for him to hang on for a share.
Of course, I'll also be betting against Curlin in this spot, so what do I know.
Welcome to the board.

[Pedigree Ann]

Interesting that Murtagh chose Duke over Henry. . .

Henry hasn't shown he can handle 10f, whereas the Duke is world class at 10f (at least on turf). Not a difficult choice for him, I would think.

[Kasept]

9th (3:45) Breeders' Cup Classic (G1)

1 1/4 Miles (All Weather Track) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $5,000,000

1 Go Between Gomez G K 126 L
2 Casino Drive Espinoza V 121
3 Tiago Smith M E 126 L
4 Duke of Marmalade (IRE) Murtagh J P 126
5 Henrythenavigator Velazquez J R 121 L
6 Smooth Air Cruz M R 121 L
7 Student Council Bridgmohan S X 126 L
8 Raven's Pass Dettori L 121 L
9 Curlin Albarado R J 126 L
10 Fairbanks Migliore R 126 L
11 Colonel John Prado E S 121 L
12 Champs Elysees (GB) Garcia Alan 126 Blk-On L

[hockey2315]

I think Henry is EXTREMELY unlikely here. He's 75-1 in this spot as far as I am concerned.
Murtagh has a much better chance on Duke of Marmalade.

Why exactly?

[hockey2315]

Henry hasn't shown he can handle 10f, whereas the Duke is world class at 10f (at least on turf). Not a difficult choice for him, I would think.

Has he gone that far?

[miraja2]

Why exactly?
I don't like horses stretching out 2f, & I don't like horses trying a synthetic surface for the first time. He's doing both.
I just can't find any reason to think he will be effective at 10f on this surface.
He has never gone beyond a mile and there is no real reason to think the increase in distance will do anything but hurt him. When you throw in the surface-switch and the fact that he doesn't seem to be in the exact same form he was in when he rattled off those G1s this spring/summer, I think he is very unlikely.

[hockey2315]

I don't like horses stretching out 2f, & I don't like horses trying a synthetic surface for the first time. He's doing both.
I just can't find any reason to think he will be effective at 10f on this surface.
He has never gone beyond a mile and there is no real reason to think the increase in distance will do anything but hurt him. When you throw in the surface-switch and the fact that he doesn't seem to be in the exact same form he was in when he rattled off those G1s this spring/summer, I think he is very unlikely.

Eh. . . fair enough. . .

[SniperSB23]

This race is simple. Neither Curlin nor Duke of Marmalade have the turn of foot to pass the other. But both have the guts to hold the other off if they take the lead first. So whoever passes Fairbanks off the turn and gets to the lead first is going to win. Figuring out which one of those pinheads will realize that is the priceless question.

[odbaxter]

Eh. . . fair enough. . .

Also, Henry may have already peaked after a really tough campaign.

[alysheba4]

well armed should have gone here.....

[Scav]

This race is simple. Neither Curlin nor Duke of Marmalade have the turn of foot to pass the other. But both have the guts to hold the other off if they take the lead first. So whoever passes Fairbanks off the turn and gets to the lead first is going to win. Figuring out which one of those pinheads will realize that is the priceless question.

You are assuming that Duke of Marmalade will like the track....

[hrfan]

1-2-3 box

[Scav]

1-2-3 box

OMG THANK YOU!!! I have a fighting chance this weekend now

[hrfan]

OMG THANK YOU!!! I have a fighting chance this weekend now
i have been saying those 3 for a while.
good luck to you.

[GBBob]

I hope everybody tosses Curlin

[hrfan]

I hope everybody tosses Curlin
Doubt it, he will be around 3-5

[Scav]

Doubt it, he will be around 3-5

I disagree, with all the doubts, and all the stupid money that people like you will be putting on Casino Drive, he might be above even money for the first time in a semi-dirt race(before the synethic police come and nab me), in a long time.

If I am in the position to play a healthy p6 ticket, I will be singling him, with confidence

[hrfan]

I disagree, with all the doubts, and all the stupid money that people like you will be putting on Casino Drive, he might be above even money for the first time in a semi-dirt race(before the synethic police come and nab me), in a long time.

If I am in the position to play a healthy p6 ticket, I will be singling him, with confidence
Good luck man, your ticket will be more then the $200 i bet on the entire card.

[Dunbar]

Current (fixed) odds at TheGreek:

"+1015" means 10.15 to 1. $2 will pay $22.30. etc.

1401 Go Between +1015
1402 Casino Drive +805
1403 Tiago +2050
1404 Duke of Marmalade +845
1405 Henrythenavigator +625
1406 Smooth Air +3050
1407 Student Council +1615
1408 Ravens Pass +625
1409 Curlin +205
1410 Fairbanks +3250
1411 Colonel John +1015
1412 Champs Elysees +3250

--Dunbar

[hockey2315]

32.5-1 on Champs Elysees would be a gift. . .

[Scav]

Good luck man, your ticket will be more then the $200 i bet on the entire card.

It isn't about how much you are spending on a race card, but how you allocate those funds. I have no idea how I am going to play Friday and Saturday, but what I do know that if I find a P3 sequence that I feel confident in, I am going to attack it, and if for some reason I can acculminate a decent bankroll by the BC Mile(not likely with the way it has been going but POSITIVE THINKING STARTS NOW), I plan on maybe taking a shot at the P6, given I think I have to singles in Street Boss and Curlin

[Mike]

For me, I can approach it three ways:

From the turf-synthetic positive correlation angle, and upgrade the Euro's Raven's Pass, Duke of Marmalade and Henrythenavigator(perhaps do a 3 horse exacta box). But, their trainers have a poor history shipping in,none have a synthetic race under them or listed works.

Lone speed is here in Fairbanks. But, he, too, is untested on synthetic, and fared poorly in his two turf attempts, so I won't bother with this disappointment underneath in my exotics

I'll go with an exacta box of the steady Curlin, (training here and whose shame was a 2nd in a Grade I grass race) with Casino Drive, who is the X factor. He is 3-3, has a win at the track, and blew away Mint Lane as easily as Big Brown did


I'll be very interested at how the odds will end up in this race, and the rest of the Cup races

[RollerDoc]

Betting question for Saturday's BCC:

If I want to take a chance on the 8 & 9 horses not hitting the board, and key every remaining trifecta possibility, how much would that cost me?

[miraja2]

1-2-3 box
:wf

[herkhorse]

Betting question for Saturday's BCC:

If I want to take a chance on the 8 & 9 horses not hitting the board, and key every remaining trifecta possibility, how much would that cost me?


720.00 good luck!

[RollerDoc]

720.00 good luck!

Maybe I need to rethink my strategy. I had no idea. Thank you!

[Dunbar]

Fixed odds for the Classic have not changed at TheGreek from those I posted above.

Pinnacle now has a few matchups for the Classic. They also have matchups for Fridays races. Here are the ones for the Classic:

Breeders' Cup Classic: Matchups
Sat 10/25 Race 9 : Curlin vs Field
03:25 PM 235 Curlin +216
236 Field -236

Sat 10/25 Race 9 : Henrythenavigator vs Raven's Pass
03:25 PM 237 Henrythenavigator -123
238 Raven's Pass +107

Sat 10/25 Race 9 : Go Between vs Colonel John
03:25 PM 239 Go Between -170
240 Colonel John +150

Sat 10/25 Race 9 : Student Council vs Champs Elysees
03:25 PM 241 Student Council +129
242 Champs Elysees -145

"+216" means you get 2.16 to 1 on Curlin. "-236" means you have to bet $2.36 to profit $1 (you'd get back $3.36 for a $1 bet on the field, which in this case is every horse but Curlin.

--Dunbar

[SniperSB23]

You are assuming that Duke of Marmalade will like the track....

He's probably as good a chance, if not better, than Curlin to take the track. I think this track equalizes everyone, turf or dirt, but I don't buy that there are many horses that don't take to it at all.

[King Glorious]

Raven's Pass
Curlin
Henrythenavigator
Duke of Marmalade

[letswastemoney]

Good effort by Tiago!!

[AeWingnut]

Good effort by Tiago!!


he only paid $7 to show

I thought with Curlin out it would pay much better

[Pedigree Ann]

Good effort by Tiago!!

He's becoming a copy of his brother, picking up pieces of big purses. No knock on him; somebody has pass all those tired horses - look at Miraculous Miss; she has earned over half a million dollars over the last couple of years without winning a race (she was second in the FM Sprint last year, 4th this year, and third in the DeFrancis Dash).

[letswastemoney]

He's becoming a copy of his brother, picking up pieces of big purses. No knock on him; somebody has pass all those tired horses - look at Miraculous Miss; she has earned over half a million dollars over the last couple of years without winning a race (she was second in the FM Sprint last year, 4th this year, and third in the DeFrancis Dash).He's a multiple G2 winner and a two time G1 winner. He's beaten Heatseeker, he's beaten all the American horses in this race, Tiago is much better than his brother!!

[declansharbor]

Raven's Pass
Curlin
Henrythenavigator
Duke of Marmalade

Nice call KG!

[Pedigree Ann]

He's a multiple G2 winner and a two time G1 winner. He's beaten Heatseeker, he's beaten all the American horses in this race, Tiago is much better than his brother!!

Yes, he has a better overall record than Giacomo. But his G1s were last year, when he was 4 for 8. This year he has only 1 win in 9 starts; he's done more picking up pieces of purses than winning. He is tending toward the Giacomo mode at this point.