10/25 (BC): Turf; Mile; Turf Sprint (Final)

[Kasept]

2nd (10:50) Breeders' Cup Turf Sprint

About 6 1/2 Furlongs (Downhill turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Heros Reward Castellano J J 126 L
2 Fleeting Spirit (IRE) Murtagh J P 120 L
3 True to Tradition Carmouche K 126 L
4 Only Answer (GB) Peslier O 123
5 Salute the Count Coa E M 126 L
6 Storm Treasure Bridgmohan S X 126 L
7 Rouse the Cat Prado E S 126 L
8 Diabolical Dettori L 126 L
9 Desert Code Migliore R 126 L
10 California Flag Talamo J 126 L
11 Idiot Proof Gomez G K 126 L
12 One Union Espinoza V 126 L
13 Get Funky Valdivia J Jr 126 L
14 Mr. Nightlinger Theriot H J II 126 L



4th (12:15) Breeders' Cup Mile (G1)

1 Mile (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $2,000,000

1 Shakis (IRE) Garcia Alan 126 L
2 Kip Deville Velasquez C 126 L
3 Precious Kitten Bejarano R 123 L
4 Goldikova (IRE) Peslier O 119
5 Daytona (IRE) Solis A 126 L
6 Awesome Gem Baze T C 126 L
7 U S Ranger Murtagh J P 126 L
8 Bold Chieftain Baze R A 126 L
9 War Monger Desormeaux K J 126 L
10 Thorn Song Albarado R J 126 L
11 Whatsthescript (IRE) Gomez G K 126 L


8th (3:00) Emirates Airlines Breeders' Cup Turf (G1)

1 1/2 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $3,000,000

1 Better Talk Now Dominguez R A 126 L
2 Red Rocks (IRE) Dettori L 126 L
3 Grand Couturier (GB) Garcia Alan 126 L
4 Soldier of Fortune (IRE) Murtagh J P 126
5 Winchester Smullen P J 121 L
6 Dancing Forever Douglas R R 126 L
7 Red Rock Canyon (IRE) O'Donoghue Colm 126
8 Spring House Velazquez J R 126 L
9 Conduit (IRE) Moore R L 121
10 Out of Control (BRZ) Gomez G K 126 L
11 Eagle Mountain (GB) Shea K 126

[lemoncrush]

Mile:

Einstein*
Tybalt
Hyperbaric
Proudinsky*
War Wonger*

War Wonger? Ridden by Elmer Fudd??
:p

[cakes44]

What has Winchester done since the Secretariat?

[Antitrust32]

Turf Sprint:

Mr. Nightlinger
Idiot Proof
Get Funky
Just Rushing
Wollemi Pine
Heros Reward
Salute the Count
Natural Seven
Kingship
California Flag
One Union
Smart Enough
True to Tradition
Lightmyfirebaby*
Wake Up Maggie
Ten Meropa


Wow, one of those horses will be a Breeders Cup winner in a few weeks. :zz:

[my miss storm cat]

Turf:
Archipenko*

Slight setback, out of the Champion Stakes, on to Hong Kong and then Dubai.

[my miss storm cat]

Mile:
Good Ba Ba

Staying put in HK...

[brockguy]

Winchester is on course for the Turf I believe, hasnt raced since Arlington...

[smuthg]

Originally Posted by Kasept
Turf:
Archipenko*

Slight setback, out of the Champion Stakes, on to Hong Kong and then Dubai.

damn it! I love this guy... got a terrible trip in the million and thought he would be perfect for this race.

[brockguy]

US Ranger is possible for Coolmore and he is almost as bad as Antonius Pius

[my miss storm cat]

US Ranger is possible for Coolmore and he is almost as bad as Antonius Pius
I loved him! :D

Conduit to the Turf, Fleeting Spirit to the Turf Sprint...

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Kasept
Turf:
Archipenko*



damn it! I love this guy... got a terrible trip in the million and thought he would be perfect for this race.
According to what I've read, he's doing well so at least there's that. :)

[Handicappy]

Mile:

Lord Admiral - C. O'Brien
Kip Deville – Dutrow
Goldikova - Head (1)
Whatsthescript – Sadler
Precious Kitten – Frankel
Thorn Song – Romans
Bold Chieftain – Morey
War Monger – Mott
Daytona – Hendricks
Shakis – McLaughlin
Raven’s Pass – Gosden (1)
US Ranger - O'Brien
Ventura - Frankel (2)
Awesome Gem (2)
I really think a key factor to consider is that Kiaran actually went to Sheik Hamdan and encouraged him to supplement. He is no fool around a horses' potential. Shakis is really moving well at the moment and will be running his last race before a wonderful retirement at Shadwell. If he can get a fairly firm turf track, he'll be coming in the stretch.

[hockey2315]

I really think a key factor to consider is that Kiaran actually went to Sheik Hamdan and encouraged him to supplement. He is no fool around a horses' potential. Shakis is really moving well at the moment and will be running his last race before a wonderful retirement at Shadwell. If he can get a fairly firm turf track, he'll be coming in the stretch.

Are you sure about this? . . Personally I was completely unimpressed by his last two. . .

[Handicappy]

Are you sure about this? . . Personally I was completely unimpressed by his last two. . .
Unimpressed! He won the BBaruck with a strong turn of foot blowing by the field in the stretch. He was coming against brown and Proudinski on a very soft surface he usually hates at Monmouth. But even if you weren't impressed. Don't dismiss him outright. Mclaughlin seldom makes bad decisions about his horses. He's entered 4 horses in the past two years in the Breeders Cup and won two. And he would have won a third if Henny didn't spin his wheels at Churchill after he gave the rest of the horses their usual 1/2 length advantage. And a forth if Monmouth's Turf course wasn't a bog for Lear's Princess. He doesn't run them if he doesn't think they can win. And Shakis is fit and ready to run. Worth a look that's for sure.

[hockey2315]

Unimpressed! He won the BBaruck with a strong turn of foot blowing by the field in the stretch. He was coming against brown and Proudinski on a very soft surface he usually hates at Monmouth. But even if you weren't impressed. Don't dismiss him outright. Mclaughlin seldom makes bad decisions about his horses. He's entered 4 horses in the past two years in the Breeders Cup and won two. And he would have won a third if Henny didn't spin his wheels at Churchill after he gave the rest of the horses their usual 1/2 length advantage. And a forth if Monmouth's Turf course wasn't a bog for Lear's Princess. He doesn't run them if he doesn't think they can win. And Shakis is fit and ready to run. Worth a look that's for sure.

Umm he also ran at Keeneland. . . His last two were the Monmouth Stakes - where he had no excuse in the stretch - and the Shadwell Turf Mile - I can't remember his performance there but it wasn't great. AND I'm pretty sure he ran there because of the owners - so KMc doesn't always choose his horse's spots. His Baruch was nice - but also at his favorite track and not at a mile. Shakis will almost certainly be an underlay. . .

Hoss is right about the rest of that garbage. . .

[Kasept]

and the Shadwell Turf Mile - I can't remember his performance there but it wasn't great. AND I'm pretty sure he ran there because of the owners - so KMc doesn't always choose his horse's spots. .
He just missed behind Thorn Song.

[hockey2315]

He just missed behind Thorn Song.

Thanks Steve. . . but I'm still not crazy about his chances. . . There will be better horses in the BC than Thorn Song.

[Handicappy]

Are you serious with most of this? First off, Lear's Princess ran in the Distaff last year, not on the grass. Henny hughes would have won the sprint in '06? That's a pretty far stretch I think.
I meant the dirt course. And, a far stretch for Henny? Did you see that horse that year? He dominated every field he was in. Went off as the favorite in the Breeder's Cup. He lost the race on the break. But my point was he wasn't running the horse without having a good sense of his capability. He enters to win. I don't think he would go out on a limb with Shiek unless he had a very good idea that Shakis was rounding into form.

[CSC]

Goldikova's european form is very strong.

[GPK]

Anyone know much about Eagle Mountain?

[cakes44]

I know he'll be taking $$ of mine. 1 1/2 shouldn't be a problem for him, he's fresh as heck, and he's got class.

[GPK]

I know he'll be taking $$ of mine. 1 1/2 shouldn't be a problem for him, he's fresh as heck, and he's got class.


Obviously the trainer is one of the best. I will try and youtube some of his races later.

[Handicappy]

Don't they all enter to win for the most part? Shakis belongs in the race I suppose, I just don't think he has a shot.
I know. I do think he has a shot. It will be a firm turf course which he loves and they have him ready to run what will be his final race before going to Shadwell. It will be interesting and he will be running in the stretch.

[Kasept]

2nd (10:50) Breeders' Cup Turf Sprint

About 6 1/2 Furlongs (Downhill turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Heros Reward Castellano J J 126 L
2 Fleeting Spirit (IRE) Murtagh J P 120 L
3 True to Tradition Carmouche K 126 L
4 Only Answer (GB) Peslier O 123
5 Salute the Count Coa E M 126 L
6 Storm Treasure Bridgmohan S X 126 L
7 Rouse the Cat Prado E S 126 L
8 Diabolical Dettori L 126 L
9 Desert Code Migliore R 126 L
10 California Flag Talamo J 126 L
11 Idiot Proof Gomez G K 126 L
12 One Union Espinoza V 126 L
13 Get Funky Valdivia J Jr 126 L
14 Mr. Nightlinger Theriot H J II 126 L



4th (12:15) Breeders' Cup Mile (G1)

1 Mile (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $2,000,000

1 Shakis (IRE) Garcia Alan 126 L
2 Kip Deville Velasquez C 126 L
3 Precious Kitten Bejarano R 123 L
4 Goldikova (IRE) Peslier O 119
5 Daytona (IRE) Solis A 126 L
6 Awesome Gem Baze T C 126 L
7 U S Ranger Murtagh J P 126 L
8 Bold Chieftain Baze R A 126 L
9 War Monger Desormeaux K J 126 L
10 Thorn Song Albarado R J 126 L
11 Whatsthescript (IRE) Gomez G K 126 L


8th (3:00) Emirates Airlines Breeders' Cup Turf (G1)

1 1/2 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $3,000,000

1 Better Talk Now Dominguez R A 126 L
2 Red Rocks (IRE) Dettori L 126 L
3 Grand Couturier (GB) Garcia Alan 126 L
4 Soldier of Fortune (IRE) Murtagh J P 126
5 Winchester Smullen P J 121 L
6 Dancing Forever Douglas R R 126 L
7 Red Rock Canyon (IRE) O'Donoghue Colm 126
8 Spring House Velazquez J R 126 L
9 Conduit (IRE) Moore R L 121
10 Out of Control (BRZ) Gomez G K 126 L
11 Eagle Mountain (GB) Shea K 126

[asudevil]

He just missed behind Thorn Song.
Needs another 70 yards

[brockguy]

Anyone know much about Eagle Mountain?
Kev, I think he could be a real suckers bet!!!

[GPK]

Kev, I think he could be a real suckers bet!!!


Thanks Kev.

[slotdirt]

What do folks think about Winchester? I just can't see it with all the other European options out there.

[hockey2315]

What do folks think about Winchester? I just can't see it with all the other European options out there.

My second biggest play of the weekend. I know he beat nothing in the Secretariat, but his effort was VERY visually impressive and pretty fast. If he improves off of that he'll be tough. Of course, we have no idea how he's been doing since that race or how he'll like the hard turf at Santa Anita, but 15-1 (I expect he'll get bet down a litte) is way too high.

[philcski]

Is it just me or is the Turf Sprint the absolute hardest race ever to figure?

[brockguy]

What do folks think about Winchester? I just can't see it with all the other European options out there.
he'll probably be found out over a trip too far. I will be very reluctant to use him...

[Hwjb]

I can't profess to be au fait with many of the European horses running this year, let alone their American counterparts, but I have had a cursory look at a few of the races and felt that Conduit looked to have a really good chance in the Turf.

I remember another St Leger winner, Milan, running a fine race in this a few years ago, staying on dourly in pursuit of Fantastic Light, but reckon that Conduit is less a staying type than that one and is more likely to have the pace to stay in contention as the race is taking shape.
According to YouTube, at least, Grand Couturier is the horse I'd be most concerned about, his last success deeply impressive. But at 9/2 and 6/1 you can afford to have both on side.

[Pedigree Ann]

Anyone know much about Eagle Mountain?

He fractured his pelvis; that's why he was off from October of last year. His comeback race was a good one, but the horses he beat weren't much. Mike de Kock, the trainer, was the best in South Africa and was a major force in Dubai, now in Britain. EM was second in the Derby last year, but was a distant 2rd, as was his third in the Irish Derby; I'm not certain he gets the full 12f. He certainly finishes closer to the front at 10f.

[King Glorious]

Turf Sprint
California Flag
Fleeting Spirit
True to Tradition
Salute the Count

Mile
Goldikova
Precious Kitten
Thorn Song
Kip Deville

Turf
Soldier of Fortune
Conduit
Eagle Mountain
Winchester

[Danzig]

what a move by the filly, goldikova. congrats on the win, beautifully done.


lol

a girl just beat dick dutrow. hehe

[CSC]

Makes you wonder how good Zarkava is, breathtaking performance. Wonderful filly in her own right.

GOLDIKOVA.

[magic_idol]

Makes you wonder how good Zarkava is, breathtaking performance. Wonderful filly in her own right.

GOLDIKOVA.


The time was amazing !!!!!! i was just contrasting different horses against that time & wow i would grudginly have to say that horse would kick our arse 1.33 for the 1600 group 2 won yesterday down under all they could run it in was 1.36 3 secs slower !!!

[AeWingnut]

The time was amazing !!!!!! i was just contrasting different horses against that time & wow i would grudginly have to say that horse would kick our arse 1.33 for the 1600 group 2 won yesterday down under all they could run it in was 1.36 3 secs slower !!!


the track at Santa Anita is typically lightning fast
but 3 seconds is huge

[CSC]

The time was amazing !!!!!! i was just contrasting different horses against that time & wow i would grudginly have to say that horse would kick our arse 1.33 for the 1600 group 2 won yesterday down under all they could run it in was 1.36 3 secs slower !!!

I think the course is a little faster today Idol, but yeah what a run by Goldikova, she just opened up in a blink of an eye.

[magic_idol]

the track at Santa Anita is typically lightning fast
but 3 seconds is huge

Well we work on 2 lengths per sec so the winner yesterday would have finished 6 lenghts behind !!!!.. but our milers are pretty weak this year,in fact i have to say even our distance horses are pretty slow:mad:

Plus everything now here is sit & sprint